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Cheney 'Answers' Obama, Defends Bush Policy

Says he's 'firm proponent' of 'enhanced interrogation program'

By Matt Cantor| Posted May 21, 09 11:38 AM CDT|

(Newser) – Dick Cheney offered an “answer” to President Obama’s national-security speech today, standing up for the policies of the Bush administration and saying he remained “a strong proponent of our enhanced interrogation program,” CNN reports. “In the fight against terrorism,” Cheney said, “there is no middle ground, and half-measures leave you half-exposed,” Politico adds. President Bush aimed to ensure 9/11 wasn’t “a prelude to something worse.”

Acknowledging the pressures on any administration, the former vice president slammed Obama’s plans to close Guantanamo as made with “little deliberation and no plan,” the AP notes. “When [terrorists] see the American government caught up in arguments about interrogations,” he said, “they see weakness and opportunity.” Obama, Cheney said, should make choices not based on “slogans and campaign rhetoric, but on a truthful telling of history.”

Former Vice President Dick Cheney stops to greet passers-by outside the CBS television studios in Washington, May 10, 2009. Cheney was interviewed on "Face the Nation." (AP Photo)

This photo provided by CBS shows former Vice President Dick Cheney appearing on the CBS news show "Face the Nation," May 10, 2009, in Washington. (AP Photo)

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nick
May 21, 09 11:48 AM CDT

Can't someone just quietly put this man back in his bunker? Reply

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newsrmandan
May 21, 09 11:59 AM CDT

I love it when libs get mad about enhanced interrogations er torture (Waterboarding). Makes them seem so highminded and self righteous. Pretty soon there going to tell the cops you cant chase a perp cus he might fall and skin his knee and have a booboo. Reply

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JaneMP
May 21, 09 12:01 PM CDT

No, newsr, libs are the ones who BELIEVE in the Constitution and upholdng treaties and the LAW. Torture is illegal. Perps have done something illegal. If convicted, they should be put in jail. You need to be consistent and punish ALL who break the law, including Cheney.

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AnnieChrist
May 21, 09 12:09 PM CDT

"soon there going to tell the cops..." There?? Try they're or they are. You are probably one of those who criticize immigrants because 'they can't even speak the language.'

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Rob
May 21, 09 1:51 PM CDT

Double punctuation marks are wrong, annie. I bet you are one of those who criticize people for web based grammar errors while making some yourself because "they don't know correct punctuation."

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godawgs
May 21, 09 3:48 PM CDT

So JaneMP the people at GITMO did something wrong or they wouldn't be there. Torture is illegal good for Cheney that waterboarding wasn't considered torture until 2007 huh? If you want to talk about torute read about what happens to the people who are kidnapped by the Mexican drug cartels and held for ransom. That is torture, not holding someone's head underwater for a couple of seconds with a dr present. I would pretty much guess that any person who has a choice would take waterboarding over getting burned with a blow torch.

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tmoore
May 21, 09 10:04 PM CDT

godawgs... we have no way of knowing what the people at GITMO did or didn't do, that's one of the many issues surrounding it. People could simply have been rounded up because someone didn't like the way they looked, and that goes against everything that we supposedly stand for. Also, your claim that "waterboarding wasn't considered torture until 2007" is just flat out incorrect.

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JaneMP
May 21, 09 11:59 AM CDT

Oh, yeah--the Bush tactics worked so well. And the--I don't care what you call it--torture enflamed Muslims as it would if another country tortured our people. Reply

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Clarke
May 21, 09 12:56 PM CDT

Do you remember Daniel Pearl or Nicholas Berg? They were beheaded before the socalled torture information was released to the public. By the muslim terrorists. Remember 9/11? They were already rabid about killing us infidels you stupid liberal idiot. Anything that saves American lives. If waterboarding really stopped a terrorist attack in L.A. then great. I don't ask if they could have gotten the information thru other means, I ask why aren't we waterboarding more terrorists. We didn't start this war, and if we don't watch out, we won't be ending it either. The victors end the wars, and the victors are usually the ones that will win at all costs. I say win at all costs. I am tired of Americans dying and you liberal wussies asking "what did we do that made them do this to us?" God Bless the American intelligence community and the military for doing what they have to do. God Bless Bush and Cheney for having the balls to have them do their jobs.

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mintclassic
May 21, 09 3:05 PM CDT

Clarke, your obvious ignorance of history, global issues, human nature, and your own flagrant hypocrisy really detracts from the point you're trying to make. Yes, yes, I know, we're the "good guys," so it's okay when we do these things...they attacked us first! I'm sure Jesus would have agreed with you 100%.

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godawgs
May 21, 09 3:49 PM CDT

Well they must have done something right because Obama isn't changing any of them. Read the One's plans and they are the exact same thing that W did......

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AnnieChrist
May 21, 09 12:02 PM CDT

“When [terrorists] see the American government caught up in arguments about interrogations,” he said, “they see weakness and opportunity.” What they and the rest of the world actually see is democracy in action, something cheney and his spiritual brother, bin laden, abhor. cheney states he wants "a truthful telling of history." If that is the case why were 1000's of emails and other documents destroyed by cheney and his cronies. Why did he facilitate the most secretive shadow government this country has ever seen? When and if there ever is "a truthful telling of history," this scum and his cronies will do a perp walk right into Levenworth prison. Reply

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newsrmandan
May 21, 09 12:32 PM CDT

Anniechrist: ok you got me I can't spell. Maybe its because its my second language maybe its because I lean a little on the conservative side. Maybe its because I am typing to fast and not proofreading my work, (head down in self pity) I should have listened to my 10th grade teacher. I am such a fool. Or maybe your oh I mean you're perfect. I like immigrants they do a heck of a job on my lawn. and they are cheap.

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newsrmandan
May 21, 09 12:17 PM CDT

Jane how can a cop know a perp has done something illegal? Cant you just see the aclu backing up that idea. Theres no way to know unless you see it with your eyes, but make sure you have a witness to back up your claims otherwise perp goes free with no credible evidence. Besides if he were to skin his knee who pays for the Dr. bill. I say if cop sees perp running why waste energy use the gun issued. No dr. bill no skinned knee. no aclu lawsuite. No jailtime. Everyones happy. exception for the perp granted. he's not happy. Reply

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Fondue
May 21, 09 12:26 PM CDT

So you would hand over the entire Judicial Branch to the police system. Place Judge and Jury in the hands of individuals who may or may not know the entire story. Granted this would policy would not be applied to you and like minded individuals or CEO's or businessmen, right? That's some fascist BS, and completely un-American.

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AnnieChrist
May 21, 09 1:25 PM CDT

Shorter version of the conservatives' posts here: We have to destroy America to save it.

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Rob
May 21, 09 1:55 PM CDT

Sadly, annie, both left and right are "destroying America in order to save it," just doing it in different directions.

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SBS
May 21, 09 5:01 PM CDT

newsrmandan you are a little scary. Hopefully they have a mandatory drug program where you work ( to make sure your taking your medication) and a metal detector at the door.

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Deebles
May 21, 09 12:24 PM CDT

A truthful telling of history would include Watergate: the last time an Imperial Presidency forgot about legalities and checks and balances. He's always been a product of that Ford WH when he and his boss Rumsfeld clucked about Nixon getting railroaded by a ruthless Congress. Now, he's sitting on a smoking gun and tossing his little 'Julie Nixon' to save him all the while lying right to her face. He can shift the dialogue all he wants; deep down he knows it's a criminal matter and like Haldeman et al, it will slowly leak, then flood and sweep him to minimum security. Reply

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carbonated_turtle
May 21, 09 12:28 PM CDT

Yeah, you're right we're high minded and self righteous because we believe in the basic human right to not be tortured. I don't care how you hicks in the south think things need to be run, and I really couldn't care less if you call us elitists either. We're neither, you rednecks are just so far below the civilized line that you don't understand what it means to live in a first world country. Next time you want to post a comment somewhere, make sure you have a clue what you're talking about. Oh wait, you're a Republican't... Reply

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Clarke
May 21, 09 1:05 PM CDT

Hey carbonated_turtle, I have 2 engineering degrees, an MBA, and I live north of the Mason-Dixon Line up here on the east coast. And I don't believe Abu Ghraib or waterboarding is torture. Hell, I went thru worse at VMI and then again while pledging my fraternity. Does this make me a hick? Or a redneck? You really are an elitist bastard, aren't you?

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tmoore
May 21, 09 10:12 PM CDT

I live in the south... and I definitely think waterboarding IS torture... unfortunately this is more proof that hypocrisy isn't owned exclusively by either party. Luckily, most of us already knew that.

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Observer
May 21, 09 12:39 PM CDT

Let's let multi-millionaire, world class jerk Cheney face his enemies in person. Let's see how he would react under a Taliban "enhanced interrogation" session. It is very easy for pricks like Cheney and Rumsfeld to make life ending decisions from Four Seasons suites, limos and private jets while sipping 50 year old scotch and eating caviar. Put his wicked, lying ass in Afghanistan's mountains for a week and see how does does. He's repugnant. Reply

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newsrmandan
May 21, 09 1:01 PM CDT

observer. The tallibans idea of interrogations is lopping your head off for not bowing to the great one and his Prophet. Forget about anything else your Idea that Cheney should suffer that because he quibbled on the side of being harsh with known terrorist. And you wander why there is such a devide betwixed the left and the right. Don't worry our conservative leaning military leaders and the air force will protect you from your own self righteous numbskullness.

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Rob
May 21, 09 2:01 PM CDT

observer, what a foolish and idiotic thing to say. I have to believe that you say such stupidity even though you don not actually believe it and are simply emboldened by your web-based anonymity. Either that or I would send you to Afghanistan just to keep you away from educated, rational people and let them do what they do over there because you carry an American passport. Put your freedom where you mouth is. Hell, I’ll even pitch in to buy your plane ticket.

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Deebles
May 21, 09 1:36 PM CDT

Sorry, Carbonated, I thought we were commenting on the post about Cheney's defense of the Bush Doctrine. The fact that he is defending torture is more than loathsome, but I'm more interested in his desperate attempts to use the term 'truthful retelling of history' as he rewrites if with his words. He was the one who said people think I have changed since 9/11, and I merely want to remember that he hasn't changed at all: he has a history of ruthlessness in his pursuits. Obama just threw the gauntlet and said your torture was wrong and ineffective. Cheney knows what comes next: your torture was illegal. Personally, I agree with Naomi Woolf that we can't move forward until we deal with the torture. But worst case, if we don't all keep untangling his truths, the folks who believe that we are safe because of torture will continue to swell his poll numbers. How do you think Nixon stayed in the WH when everyone in '72 knew about Watergate? Reply

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Clarke
May 21, 09 1:48 PM CDT

Hey idiot, at the time of the election in 72 nobody knew the extent of the re-election campaign committee, and thus, Nixon's, involvement in the coverup of Watergate. That was not revealed until the summer of 1973. But back to torture and Cheney's defense of it, would you rather have successful terrorist attacks on U.S. soil? Nobody argues the success of the so called torture. Personally, waterboarding a few terrorists, who are still alive, is a hell of a lot better than American blood flowing in American streets.

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mintclassic
May 21, 09 3:10 PM CDT

I think it's more than a little ironic how freely you throw around the word "idiot" when describing others.

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Deebles
May 22, 09 12:34 PM CDT

The idiot says that is just the point. Watergate was in the news every day for the six months before the election, but the lying and coverup saved Nixon's reelection. I should have written that everyone knew about the burglary at the Watergate.

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newsrmandan
May 21, 09 1:59 PM CDT

Nick, jane, annie, fondue turtlehead and dweebs. Lets get one thing straight Guys like me and Clarke are here to think about your safety as well as ours. Let military people and leaders who are like minded do the job of protecting us without undue criticism and hatred toward them. Dick Cheney is doing exactly what we voted him in to office to do. Be tough as nails and protect our collective asses. You will have your opertunity to wave your leftist white flags all you want. you will be able to support your gay activist politicians. Smoke your pot and pay your taxes all you want. And hope in a dream of a better place where all the rest of the world looks at us with adoring eyes but for now just go away. Reply

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carbonated_turtle
May 21, 09 2:17 PM CDT

Thank you Captain America. Aren't you late for the baseball game/apple pie baking contest/gun show? I think it's time to exit your fantasy America bubble, and step into the REAL world. I won't even comment on these cavemen that believe there's nothing wrong with torture. They sunk their own ships with their ignorant, dated comments. I think Grandpa Dick is calling you, you can leave now. This is 2009, not 1959. If you right wing crazies can't shake off your stale old policies and leap into the 21st century, then you're in for a world of disappointment. I know you don't care, but thanks to your fearless leaders W. and dead eye Dick, the entire planet hated the United States for 8 years. You can only go around invading countries and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians for so long. One more thing. @newsrmandan. Tell me again because I forget, who was in charge Sept. 11 2001?? Oh that's right, your mighty protector. Moron...

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nick
May 21, 09 3:52 PM CDT

You thesis might hold a shade of merit if there were any proof that waterboarding actually worked. However, it does make the terrorist tell you what he thinks you want to hear, so that-- surprise, surprise-- you'll stop torturing him! Duh.

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psycada
May 22, 09 11:43 AM CDT

Seriously, where do you get your news? You seem to be mentions the same dumb BS that has been shoved down America's ear holes by main stream media, and your BS seem to resemble Fox News' BS. Americans need to remember, whether on the right or left, GET BOTH SIDES of the the damn story, an not the right/left side, get the American, non-American sides of each story. Chances are, in most cases they are dramatically different. Then cross check those articles with articles from other countries, both enemy and allied. Only after read multiple articles, on the same subject, from multiple vantage points, you even pretend to get an inclination of the truth. If In no way can you consider yourself knowledgeable if you are only parroting your MSM of choice. Also, keep your torture out of my civilization. And as to the argument of whether this is torture or not, I am sure those who argue it is not torture are conveniently forgetting the US executed Japanese for waterboarding Americans in WW II. If we called it torture when it was done to us, then, as a civilized nation of laws, it must be torture when we do it to others. There are no two ways about this logic. As far as protecting us, you made us worse. Thanks.

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TerrifiedCitizen
May 21, 09 2:19 PM CDT

One of the reasons I object to torture is similar to the reasons I object to the death penalty... our justice system is so inept and corrupt. If you throw just a little more federal bureaucracy in, then it fails the competency test altogether. How can we murder or ruin for life, individuals whom we know have a 50/50 chance of being innocent? Reply

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Clarke
May 21, 09 2:32 PM CDT

The people who were waterboarded do not have a 50/50 chance of being innocent. They were caught red handed. Many of them boasting of their part, because to them its an honor to kill infidels. As for our legal system, do you really believe half the people in the prisons are innocent? That is what you are saying. I have the utmost confidence in our legal system. The only people that have reason to fear are the ones committing crimes. Hell, I have never even been inside a police station. Why? Because I respect the laws.

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psycada
May 22, 09 11:50 AM CDT

Clarke, you really don't read much outside of American news do you. These people were not caught red handed, well, not all of them. A lot of them have even been proven to be completely innocent, yet some are STILL locked away to keep them quiet on the abuses they underwent in America's name. They won't release these people in America because Americans will go bat shit, pitch fork mob crazy because we as a whole are too dumb to seperate, innocent from guilt, or terrorist from non-terrorist. All the collective whole understands it they came from GITMO, and don't care if they were innocent. They also can't release them to their home countries as some have none that will take them either, mostly for political reasons. Its sad really. But they were in GITMO, and America does not falsely imprison people, so they must have been bad, so why care.......right????

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Clarke
May 21, 09 2:30 PM CDT

Hey Turtle, how is it that I can go thru worse in a little fraternity hazing, and yet that's not torture nor is it outdated. As for who was in charge 9/11/2001, thats like blaming the man who took over the Titanic after the Captain jumped overboard to save his ass....sorry, but Bush inherited a broken intelligence community and the terrorists were already in this country running around and training. He FIXED that system since, and we have not been hit since. Part of that fix was interrogating captured terrorists to find out any knowledge they had of future plans. Apparently, these methods worked. Thank god for the leadership we had from January 2001 to January 2009. Reply

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carbonated_turtle
May 21, 09 2:50 PM CDT

Thank you for further proving my point. Fraternity hazing is EXTREMELY dated. Like I said, THIS IS NOT 1959. Hazing should be made illegal. I really don't understand how you sick fucks can get your jollies hurting other people. GROW UP!! Seriously, this isn't high school anymore, it's time to be a big boy Clarke, and be a responsible adult.

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godawgs
May 21, 09 3:58 PM CDT

clarke don't you know that only bush can be blamed for everything. after you bring any kind of point that is backed with a fact they (the liberals) will call you a bigot and/or raciest and that is why it is still bush's fault.

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triordan
May 21, 09 2:35 PM CDT

If you're worried about being tortured....don't join any terrorist groups or causes, pick another career field. It's pretty simple people. Reply

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Clarke
May 21, 09 2:41 PM CDT

Annie, how is the right "destroying America to save it" ??? By protecting you and your family? Seriously, do you think these techniques were invented by Bush and Cheney? They have been used forever. They will be used again. They are probably being used today. Nancy Pelosi did know about them. She applauded them, because America wanted to be protected. Now she is against them because public sentiment has shifted. But if we get attacked again, and the nice patty cake interrogation methods that the left intends for the intelligence community to use are not working, are you going to complain that the intelligence community failed, and how come American children are dead? Or are you going to somehow find a way to blame Bush and Cheney? Reply

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Clarke
May 21, 09 2:55 PM CDT

Carbonated...I went thru a fraternity last decade. It still goes on. And it is not going away. My point is, most of what they called torture at Abu Ghraib was a joke. But you missed that I guess. Torture is beheading. Not changing the temperature on them. Its ripping out toenails. Not desecrating their Koran. Its beating them, not denying them sleep for a few days. How do you suppose we should get information out of them? They figure they are going to die in prison. We have nothing to offer them but death, which they welcome because of the rewards they are promised for fighting us infidels. No, there is no other way. But again, I will ask, and you will ignore, will you complain when the intelligence community fails to stop the next attack because we are now handcuffing them? Reply

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carbonated_turtle
May 21, 09 3:07 PM CDT

Wrong again Clarky boy! I'd like you to go to Google and type "define:torture". The very FIRST definition: anguish: extreme MENTAL distress. There is no grey area here. In the United States torture is illegal, and the government was clearly torturing these SUSPECTED terrorists. It's one thing if you're racist, and you don't believe people with brown skin should be treated like human beings, but those of us in the civilized world believe that every person, from every race deserves the same human rights. Tell me honestly now, would you be defending the Iraqi goverment if they were waterboarding US troops? Didn't think so. P.S. Beheading....not torture....murder. ;)

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psycada
May 22, 09 12:05 PM CDT

beheading is not torture dumbass, it's murder. Turture implies living afterward. How the fuck do you live without a head. Every single one of your comments today prove you do not read enough of what is happening. I think you should stop, read a bit, then try again. You're views on civilized life are even scarier.

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azulmarina
May 21, 09 2:56 PM CDT

Why so many american are still under the impression that this man and bush kept america safe, 9/11 happen during the Bush-Cheney administration. There were so many leads but they decided to do nothing about it. I dont think Cheney should be talking about this at all. Reply

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Clarke
May 21, 09 2:56 PM CDT

And Turtle, I am a responsible adult, with 3 degrees, 2 children and a wife to support and a mortgage WHICH I PAY WITHOUT A GOVERNMENT HANDOUT Reply

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Clarke
May 21, 09 3:03 PM CDT

....sorry, I somehow hit the wrong button....and a rental property, again, paid for by me....my bills are paid on time, I have less than $1000 in credit card debt....in other words, I am part of the middle class that supposedly is the backbone of America. I believe the government should protect my country, and my family, any way necessary, and I won't get upset if they have to break a few skulls to do so. I believe the government should protect our water supplies, keep our transportation systems maintained, and keep the criminals off the streets. Other than that, butt out. I don't need welfare. I don't care for free healthcare. I don't give a damn about gay marriage (sorry, I don't support the GoP on that...could care less). I don't feel the need for government to pick my pocket for anything but law enforcement, military/intelligence community, transportation, and water. Everything else is stealing. And if you cannot or will not work for what you need in life, the government should be able to put your ass in the military to protect our country and help you obtain what you need in life. I have paid my way thru life. That is being responsible. I have taken care of my own. That is being responsible in life. When a family member or friend has been in need, I was among the first to reach out and offer them a hand. That is being responsible in life. That is being a grown up. I am a big boy thank you. Now why don't you take your pansy ass and walk up to a military man or your local CIA and kiss their hand and thank them for protecting your cowardly ass. Reply

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carbonated_turtle
May 21, 09 3:10 PM CDT

I'm sorry you feel that way Clark. You're going to have a very difficult time for the remainder of your time on this earth if you continue to believe what you do. Something tells me you were a jock, bully in high school. Got a problem?? Just beat it up! Problem solved! Reply

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Clarke
May 21, 09 3:51 PM CDT

I was a jock, but not a bully. Gotten into 1 fight since my elementary school days. See no reason to fight in the real world. But what we are talking about is no the real world. We are talking about the choice of our lives over theirs. They want us dead. You need to wake up and smell the shit piling up around you. But no, never a bully. Jock, yes. All-State jock as a matter of fact. 2 college sports too. Recruited for a 3rd. But how is being a jock equated with being a bully? Is there something wrong with being a jock that I missed? Are competition and exercize not good things now? I dated a cheerleader too. My wife was also a jock (at another school). I coach my kids baseball/softball and soccer teams. Should I be ashamed of that as well? Please, enlighten my oh mighty Turtle.

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ezrider
May 21, 09 3:49 PM CDT

As i was listening to Mr.Cheney , i remembered an incident that happened near the end of the war in iraq,some of the officers was trying to get information from one of the enemy soldiers.After asking and asking with no results,one of the officers pulled his gun and fired a shot beside the guys head.Even though much information was gained from this act.Some of the higher ups wanted to punish this officer,but after the news media heard about it and let it be known that this act probably saved hundreds of lives the higher ranking officials backed down.I am no fan of Dick Cheney but on some of this i must agree.Just suppose some thieves broke into your home and hurt someone in your family they all get away but one and you have pinned him down what would you do?I'm not saying torture is right,but sometime things need to be handled in extreme ways. Reply

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Clarke
May 21, 09 3:55 PM CDT

Oh, and Turtle, as for what is torture and what is not....to me that is trivial. What is effective and what is not. That is the question. And if a method of getting information that is going to save American lives is effective, I am all for it. Remember, they started this, we did not. So, we are defending our home, our lives. Self defense. What they did in the name of American security worked. I don't care who is offended by it. The rest of the world will be offended by something we do until they need us again, and then they will be our friends again. We built this country by ourselves for ourselves. The rest of the world can pound sand. Reply

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SBS
May 21, 09 5:13 PM CDT

I think you hit the nail on the head. What is really needed is input from people who interogate prisoners. What methods are effective? It is hard to beleive that with all of the drugs available that there is not one which will work.

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JonmarkP
May 26, 09 4:01 PM CDT

Anyone who would torture an animal or person is defective - it really is as simple as that. The same goes for those who support torture. If you believe the end justifies the means, you may be an Evangelical who takes every opportunity to lecture others about their morals.

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Clarke
May 21, 09 4:01 PM CDT

Nick, of course, if it does not work, then stop it. However, they are pretty adament on both sides of this issue that waterboarding did provide information that stopped some sort of attack in L.A. The only question that the President has asked is if the same information could have been had another way, and my thought is I don't want to risk finding out that the answer was "no". Of course, all interrogation methods, torture or non-torture, have their own shelf-life. Eventually it loses its effectiveness. And torture is one of the least effective, when you are dealing with people who can be bargained with. But we cannot bargain with somebody who wants to die in the name of Allah and go to heaven and reap his rewards. There is nothing we can give them. So torture may have been the only method that got them anything. We don't know that it was the first interrogation method. We only know that it was the method that worked. I am certain that it was not the first since most experts in this field will tell you that it is among the least reliable methods of getting information...but you can still get information if done properly. So while there could be some truths to what you say, the politicians and the CIA are adament that they were successful. Just now the politicians want to say that they do not approve and what else could we have done. Reply

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Clarke
May 21, 09 4:03 PM CDT

Good night Turtle...I have to go be a responsible person and coach my daughter's tee ball team. So I have to leave work now and shut down this computer at my responsible job. Gee, its nice that I am a responsible person now. Thank you. Wouldn't want to ask for any of those liberal handouts that you want to give away from us working people. Reply

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Clarke
May 21, 09 4:06 PM CDT

Godawgs...Amen brother!!! If you don't agree with them, you must be a racist. Reply

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John
May 22, 09 9:44 AM CDT

Boy, you are one screwed up individual.

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cornelison
May 22, 09 6:55 PM CDT

Every time Cheney & Rove are on TV they are laughing at the justice system. They believe that they are above the law and so far the justice system is letting them get away with it. Reply

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cornelison
May 22, 09 7:00 PM CDT

What is it going to take to charge Cheney with war crimes. He PROUDLY admits to torture. I'm a Canadian who is wondering what it's going to take to put that guy in prison?????? Is the American justice system corrupt too? You're acting like a 3rd world country. Reply

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Shannonals
May 24, 09 3:49 PM CDT

What's hilarious is the media is talking to Cheney more now than when he was the Vice President. Reply

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JonmarkP
May 26, 09 3:55 PM CDT

Cheney to the gallows. I'd pay good money to watch. Reply

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