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Fox's Kilmeade Decries Ethnic Mixing of 'Pure' Yanks

By Mary Papenfuss| Posted Jul 9, 09 4:49 AM CDT|

(Newser) – Fox and Friends anchor Brian Kilmeade yesterday lamented the ethnic mixing that has diluted "pure" Americans, Gawker points out. He made his comments as he criticized a study concluding that married people stave off dementia better than singles. Kilmeade insisted the results were skewed because the Scandinavian study used local populations who tend to stay "pure" by marrying other Scandinavians, unlike Americans who marry other "ethnics" and "species." Co-host Gretchen Carlson asked him if he was suffering from dementia.

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NovThird2010
Jul 9, 09 5:10 AM CDT

The Newser headline is misleading sensationalism. Kilmeade did not "decry" anything. He was pointing out that the study was not necessarily applicable to the US because we are not a homogeneous society. Where are the Newser editors? Or do they endorse such misleading "journalism"? Reply

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ifbit
Jul 9, 09 5:31 AM CDT

Quick Bio101 refresher, infidel911: There's no such thing as a homogeneous society, just as there are no longer multiple human species. And "ethnic" is far too vague to apply here. The headline might be garbage, but so remains Kilmeade's muddled mind.

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Rob
Jul 9, 09 6:06 AM CDT

Of course there are homogenous societies. It's simply wrong to say otherwise. There are many many cases where genetics shows this as unassailable truth. How many species of humans are there? One. But there are insulated populations.

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ifbit
Jul 9, 09 6:33 AM CDT

Rob, regardless of degrees of insulation, no population is homogeneous or "pure" but rather carries genetic traces of its widely diverse ancestral lineage. Homogeneity is relative. Starting when? With Australopithecus xxx? Homo xxx? And when did Swedish-ness start? With the Allerød warm period? After WWII? As I understand, there are a lot of Finns, Russians and Iraqis sitting around in the Swedish sauna as well.

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Rob
Jul 9, 09 6:55 AM CDT

That is simply incorrect. Homogeneity is measured by the degree of homogenous genes in a population. I realize that this may feel unsavory to you, and politically incorrect. Sorry, but genetic insulation is a fact and occurs for many reasons from geographic isolation to social restrictions to religious edicts. It’s just a fact of life on this planet. Sorry if you don't believe it.

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ifbit
Jul 9, 09 7:29 AM CDT

Rob, I’m neither politically correct nor opposed to ideas which are “unsavory” to me. I’m also not contesting the validity of genetic homogeneity; after all, it is a factor of speciation and extinction, so I’m afraid I can’t accept any of your smug apologies. With the well known exception of Tristan da Cunha and a few other remote areas, there is simply too much genetic diversity in a country, especially one with the size and immigration flow of Sweden – which is the original point – to call it homogeneous. And religious and social restrictions are historically poor deterrents for the spread of genes. Finally, I do not believe in any facts of life; I accept and reject them based on evidence. You seem to be a last-word type, so I’ll rest my mouth and my case.

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Fondue
Jul 9, 09 7:48 AM CDT

Well then, give us an example of a homogeneous population Rob.

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Rob
Jul 9, 09 7:51 AM CDT

@ ifbit Try not to get insulting here. It's pointless and undermines your already weak arguments. You are simply incorrect in your statements. Human characteristics are used in so many areas that it seems almost a waste of breath to try and point out issues with medicine, targeted microbes or even forensic identification where population homogeneity is part and parcel of the methodology. And please, sir or madam, do not call me smug when you began your pontifications with "Quick Bio 101 refresher" and then proceeded down such an uninformed path.

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Rob
Jul 9, 09 7:57 AM CDT

I have given you concrete examples where homogenous populations are an everyday aspect of society, even one as diverse as American society. It's as if you are asking me to show evidence for evolution or global warming. There is so much evidence that I am aghast that you are even asking for more.

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Fondue
Jul 9, 09 8:00 AM CDT

Nice spin Rob. Population name(s), or you are a fraud. It's simple, state the names of the populations you believe are homogeneous.

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Rob
Jul 9, 09 8:15 AM CDT

You know what? I use these concepts every day and they are standard methodology. Names of populations that are homogenous? The question itself is so ignorant that the answer is a complete course in population genetics. And I am tired of the name calling whenever your personal beliefs are challenged. You can keep saying whatever you like in whatever self serving strokes you think you’re receiving. My best suggestion to you is educate yourself.

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Fondue
Jul 9, 09 9:04 AM CDT

All you have done is sling insult after insult. And now you are doing it with me. The truth is there are no homogeneous societies, however there are heterogeneous societies. No one can say for certain that they are exactly like someone else, not even twins. There's always going to be something different about everyone. I'm not denying that these theories are valid, but you haven't proven anything other than that you know some definitions and haven't the time to explain. However, you keep coming back to insult anyone who challenges your position.

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Rob
Jul 9, 09 9:10 AM CDT

You hurled the "name" fondue, not me. Own up. And you are not right. The human race is homogenous on its fringes: northern and southern populations while heterogeneous populations are near centers of evolution, such as south central Africa. You are simply wrong. And to accuse me of "insult after insult" is a red herring. But I have noticed here that you are often doing this when you don't understand.

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OrganicTea
Jul 9, 09 9:38 AM CDT

The rate of dementia in married versus single individuals in this study is irrespective of the level of genetic homogeneity in a particular population. If you were to assume that this "Scandinavian population" was homogeneous it would serve to strengthen the findings of the study since you could not point to genetics as the main factor (since both groups would have similar genetics). It would suggest that regardless of any genetic predisposition to dementia, actions taken after you are born (in this case getting "married") can have a significant effect on the expression of dementia within a population. If Mr. Kilmeade was suggesting that this study was biased due to the difference in cultural or ethnic homogeneity between the two regions, it would seem to suggest that he believes tha only marrying within your own "culture" or "ethnicity" would lead to a decrease in dementia. Mr. Kilmeade most likely does not have any training in statistics to understand why that conclusion is flawed.

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Doctor_Zaius
Jul 9, 09 10:18 AM CDT

There's more genetic diversity among your average Chimpanzee troupe than the entire Human population. Despite the visual differences we come from an extremely tight gene-pool with common ancestors going back as little as 200,000 years. Douchebags like the one mentioned above should stick to things within their realm of understanding.

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kyleleitch
Jul 9, 09 3:15 PM CDT

Someone needs to stop watching so much FOX news ;)

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Rob
Jul 10, 09 8:18 AM CDT

Zaius is absolutely right. And genetic diversity is higher in areas of evolutionary origin, such as central Africa, and much lower in areas of later colonization, such as Scandinavia. And there are settled pools of homogenous human populations all over the planet. I fail to see why this bothers anyone.

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kokuaguy
Jul 9, 09 5:24 AM CDT

Nice try, Infidel. Occasionally the newser editors are forced to extrapolate a bit in order to distill the essential "gist" of the content in the headline. It's true that they do so with varying degrees of success. This time I think they came very close to the mark. Reply

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DeniseVB
Jul 9, 09 6:45 AM CDT

Brian "decried" the study, not the "mixing". That's the misleading part. The headline made him seem hitlerish :)

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Doctor_Zaius
Jul 9, 09 10:19 AM CDT

The spin continues. We distort, you decide.

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oldgoat
Jul 9, 09 5:54 AM CDT

The two guys on Fox and friends are so demented that I can't stand to watch them. Some of Fox's shows I can handle, but there are several that are so far out to the right that I will change rather than get mad. Reply

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Rob
Jul 9, 09 6:08 AM CDT

These two Fox guys are buffoons. And this one in the article seems not so much demented as profoundly uneducated and maybe even stupid.

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armywife
Jul 9, 09 6:30 AM CDT

species? species? wow. i have to say, this one made me laugh out loud :) Reply

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Doctor_Zaius
Jul 9, 09 10:22 AM CDT

The last different species of human being alive other than us was Neanderthal.

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Rob
Jul 10, 09 8:21 AM CDT

Homo floresiensis was present around 18,000 years ago, while Homo neanderthalensis disappeared around 70,000 years ago. Although there is still ongoing debate as to whether either of these actually represent separate species.

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DarkFrancis
Jul 9, 09 6:32 AM CDT

Oh come on, we knew where he was going...he pulled up fast. Left unchecked he would have gone nutso...well, moreso. Reply

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Distie
Jul 9, 09 6:52 AM CDT

So, what exactly is a "pure" American? Reply

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nick
Jul 9, 09 6:56 AM CDT

Talk about a dumbed-down morning show. Wow! Watch it at your own peril. Reply

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denaliguide
Jul 9, 09 7:50 AM CDT

doing some genealogy will show a lot of mix and match, just the way humans are. Insulated populations usually arent large nor do they stay that way, the lays of thermodynamics and concentration apply well there. The biology says, the more durable fabric belongs to the more diverse genetic's. As to the comment, its Fox Entertainment, is it not? LOL Reply

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Laura
Jul 9, 09 9:25 AM CDT

Another Gawker rant about Fox News. I think I've seen this kind of story like 5 times in the past 2 weeks. Newser's balanced? Yeah, right. Reply

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anchower
Jul 9, 09 6:56 PM CDT

As you reactionaries love to say: If you don't like it, leave. Fox News claims to be not only "balanced" but fair to boot. Why don't you go spend some time over there.

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jeangnome
Jul 9, 09 9:56 AM CDT

Pure Americans. The only "pure Americans" are Native Americans. What an idiotic remark! Reply

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Nwambe
Jul 9, 09 10:04 AM CDT

Er.... Having watched the video, I don't necessarily disagree with the gentleman's comments. He's just saying that America's multiethnic makeup means that gene pools and cultures intermingle, which makes studies like the one mentioned and its basis in Scandinavia a little suspect when applied to America. Okay, he phrased it in the usual polarizing rhetoric of Fox News (I think, honest to God, that Fox News anchors must attend some sort of indoctrination camp where they learn to speak like that), but the point is in essence the same. Reply

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kokuaguy
Jul 9, 09 5:20 PM CDT

Nwambe--did you read OrganicTea's comment above? I think it's correct, though I never took a statistics course, and my understanding of this sort of research methodology is rudimentary, I admit.

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anchower
Jul 9, 09 6:53 PM CDT

What, Nwambe, does race have to do with the benefits of marriage over staying single?

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Rob
Jul 10, 09 8:25 AM CDT

Actually, genetic "out crossing" (marrying outside) should add vigor to offspring and reduce the chances of accumulating destructive alleles. Homogenous populations have higher rates of genetic disorders than do heterogeneous ones.

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JackShephard
Jul 9, 09 10:18 AM CDT

I read the headline and thought "Kilmeade"? Who's that? And then I looked at the picture and thought "Ohhh, brown-haired-guy-who's-not-Steve-Doocey. Right." Reply

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Pragmaticrealism
Jul 9, 09 12:43 PM CDT

SPECIES.... hahahahaha Reply

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PosterNutbag
Jul 9, 09 2:35 PM CDT

What a dumbass. Reply

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anchower
Jul 9, 09 6:50 PM CDT

Kilmeade is saying that if I marry someone who's not of my own race and ethnicity, I could very well be putting myself at a higher risk for Alzheimer's than if I marry someone's who's the same "species" (as he puts it) as me. Either that, or intermarrying could be more dangerous than staying single. What a fucking retard. Reply

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Vyridian
Jul 9, 09 10:15 PM CDT

Normally I jump at a chance to blast FOX. But Kilmeade is not guilty of Hitlerism, just stupidity. I give him "species" as a slip of the tongue and admit that he probably knows we are all the same species. And after listening to the video again, he does not say that Americans should only marry "pure" Americans (whatever that means); he just points out that it is our tendency to marry people outside our culture... in his own, bumbling, inarticulate way. Now, how he related this to a psychiatric study and declared that it could be wrong because Swedes share a set of genes that are so radically different from Americans? Ah, but it is FOX, after all... Reply

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