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It's Alive! Obama 'Birther' Conspiracy Spawns Nut Nest

By Mary Papenfuss| Posted Jul 23, 09 3:02 AM CDT|

(Newser) – The conspiracy theory that the first black president is an alien and not an American citizen is bizarrely growing a full head of steam and spitting out a wacky cast of characters, notes Eric Etheridge in the New York Times. The fact that Barack Obama has a Hawaiian birth certificate has had little impact on the so-called "birthers" whose ranks have been supported in recent days by Lou Dobbs, Liz Cheney, and 10 congressmen sponsoring a bill requiring birth certificates from presidential candidates.

"To believe the wild theories, one must accept that Obama's mother launched an elaborate hoax," writes James Rainey in the Los Angeles Times. "It would have begun in 1961 with her placing false birth notices in Honolulu's daily newspapers. Diabolical." So who cares? "The crazier the right wing fringe gets, the more dangerous they get," warns Gawker. "Encouraging people to believe the president is illegitimate encourages them to believe that he needs to be removed by any means necessary."

Liz Cheney, daughter of the former the vice president, refused to denounce the "birthers" during an appearance with Larry King. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

In this Jan 18, 2009 file photo, talk show host Rush Limbaugh is interviewed on the sidelines before the start of the AFC championship football game in Pittsburgh. (AP Photo/Rob Carr, file)

Lou Dobbs addresses the media in this April 10, 2001 file photo, in New York. (AP Photo/DMI, Sylvain Gaboury,File)

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JonmarkP
Jul 23, 09 3:13 AM CDT

It's common knowledge that George W. Bush was born in Moscow, and that didn't bother anyone. Nor did the fact that Bush's mother is not an actual human. Personally, I LOVE that the wackos are lining up behind the "birther" movement-better that than attacking Obama for being a spineless tool of corporate America, which would be right on the money. Reply

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Snarfeh
Jul 23, 09 8:29 AM CDT

No, no, no Jon. He was born Georg Duvya Busch in Berlin, Germany.

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jaguarj
Jul 23, 09 1:15 PM CDT

You might know, there would be a CHENEY behind it!

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polstroad
Jul 23, 09 5:24 AM CDT

Perhaps it is now time for CNN to dump Dobbs. Should have done so a long time ago. They are about as credible now as Faux Noise Reply

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foodchain11
Jul 23, 09 1:53 PM CDT

DUMP DOBBS, DUMP DOBBS, DUMP DOBBS, stupid, fearmongering idiot. CNN is losing credibility as a news station

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Citrixguy
Jul 23, 09 6:28 AM CDT

Or here's an idea for ya...to shut people up once and for all, just release the original BC for everyone to see...oh wait, you don't have it anymore?? hummmmm Reply

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nick
Jul 23, 09 6:52 AM CDT

Yes, just Bush-- "to shut people up once and for all"-- simply released his National Guard records. Oh, wait a minute ....

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TerrifiedCitizen
Jul 23, 09 8:00 AM CDT

Is Citrixguy the only one who understands the simplicity of this issue?

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Toon
Jul 23, 09 9:11 AM CDT

My mother lost my original long before I turned 18. Maybe I am not a citizen despite I having been told all my life I was. If I learned today that I had actually been born in Kenya it would not change how I see this country.

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psycada
Jul 23, 09 9:21 AM CDT

No, I do. This is a common sense bill regardless of why it was spawned. Whether BO is a citizen or not (I personally beleive he is), providing original BC should have been a condition of obtainining the Presidency, and should have been for every presidential candidate in the past and should be for all those in the future. It's shame it took the first black president to bring this point to a bill, which just muddies the point with calls of racism, but I also don't recall citizenship for any past President's citizenship coming into question. There is an air of mystery surrounding this President, who just happens to be black. If he were white, and his citizenship came into question for the same reasons, I am damn sure no one would have a problem enforcing this constituional requirement.

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limpl0uie
Jul 23, 09 10:10 AM CDT

You want the original BC...Okay. Here it is: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/13/bobirthcertificate.jpg This is the internet. If you are reading this then you are on it. Use it.

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Shannonals
Jul 23, 09 12:02 PM CDT

Notonce has anyone made an issue about the birth certificates of anyone else who has ran for president, but the first time a black man runs for the office, out came the wacko right wing nutcases out of the bunkers looking for a conspiracy theory that has no merit.

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foodchain11
Jul 23, 09 2:02 PM CDT

ditrix, terrified, stupid women thing the President is a muslim, YOU do all see the same thing. The trouble is, you are being fed poop by your leadership and are the only ones who don't know it.

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Snowleopard
Jul 23, 09 2:50 PM CDT

He Did: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/13/bobirthcertificate.jpg ...I guess the L.A. Times must be in on the conspiracy. Btw, wasn't john mcCain born in Guam?

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kokuaguy
Jul 23, 09 11:26 PM CDT

Once it is released then the conspirators will figure out that Hawaii's governor is a known JOOO with alleged non-heterosexual tendencies, liberal endencies who has perpetrated an elaborate hoax for nearly 30 yeers posing as a Republiican and that she was formerly the wife of a rich recluse who died in mysterious circumstances and .... oh the horror, the horror ...

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Deebles
Jul 24, 09 4:44 AM CDT

Why do I know that you can't afford your mortgage?

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Deebles
Jul 24, 09 4:46 AM CDT

That was directed at citrix

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reasonator
Jul 26, 09 11:07 PM CDT

Limplouie and everyone else: That's not the birth certificate, numbskulls. That's the "Certification of Live Birth." It's a different thing. The "Birth Certificate" has things on it like the attending physician, and signatures of witnesses, and other information. No one has released BO's birth certificate.

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DarkFrancis
Jul 23, 09 6:42 AM CDT

The birthers have been flogging this for ages. It is not becoming any less ludicrous. It doesn't show their desperation to get rid of Obama as much as it highlights how totally bereft they are of good ideas, how completely rudderless they are and how they have failed to excise the nutbags responsible for their failure. Reply

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bird
Jul 23, 09 7:29 AM CDT

I agree with all the above!! Reply

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Fondue
Jul 23, 09 7:38 AM CDT

This whole thing was debunked on Lou's own show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Ru7dnfSjI -- The Daily Show coverage is much more entertaining. Reply

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littleoopie
Jul 23, 09 7:41 AM CDT

I agree, I was laughing about it all night.

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LiberalJesus
Jul 23, 09 7:53 AM CDT

Hey Ctrixguy...You've seen the BC and so has everyone in the FBI. Your kind of people also believe Elvis is alive and that your neighbors might be aliens. The BC has been out there for over 2 years and counting. Like the woman said at Mike Pence's town hall meeting, this isnt about the BC that pisses her off, its the fact that a black man is President. Why else would she scream like a banshee "I want my country back"....who took her country? It hasnt gone anywhere, the President is far more legit than Bush ever was after the right wing SC stole the elections in 2000 and then the Ohio ag stole the 2004 elections from Kerry. These poor bastards are inching towards armed insurrection and I cant wait until that happens....That will give us a green light to finish off these nutbags once and for all! Reply

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foodchain11
Jul 23, 09 1:58 PM CDT

you know, I've been against guns forever and war for even longer. But I now stand ready to end the civil war for good. Maybe citizens should be armed agains civil insurretion. Honestly, I wish Abe had let these idiots go back then

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kokuaguy
Jul 23, 09 11:30 PM CDT

Hmmm ... if the newser comments policy were strictly enforced I think you may have just crossed the line here. Lucky I don't believe in flagging. Actually, I'm still rotflmao : ^)

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TerrifiedCitizen
Jul 23, 09 7:58 AM CDT

Well I guess I'm a left-wing nutbag then, because I don't think it's okay to ignore the constitution and continue setting the example Bush and Cheney set, that breaking the law is not alright for the average citizen, but politicians can do it every day with impunity. It's not about Obama to me; it's about restoring law and order to the highest office in our nation, because nothing is going to save us if our highest executive continues to set a lawless example. The request is a simple one, and a lawful one; simply present the official certificate required by law as it's the only one that provides the necessary documentation for the vetting process. I don't understand why there's all this resistance to following the law; what's the problem? Reply

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Fondue
Jul 23, 09 8:15 AM CDT

It's already been done. You just refuse to accept it.

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LiberalJesus
Jul 23, 09 8:18 AM CDT

Terrified must also describe your mentalitiy. How many times does the media have to prove to you nutbags that the BC is legit? How do you explain the newspaper in 1961 giving his birth notice? Do you think his family was so clarvoyiant at that time to predict 47 years ahead in the future that their son would run for President in 2008? Why havent' respectable GOP members gotten onboard the "Nut Train?" If this was such a legit concern, why didnt Hillary or McCrazy use it as an issue in the elections? How do you suppose he got a passport without a BC? How do you suppose he passes all FBI security background checks without the BC controversy coming up? You, like all other nutbags are only playing to other crazies. No sane people think its an issue. The only news talkies spreading this crap are also anti immigrant and never wanted President Obama to win in the first place. No respectable news agencies are running with this other than to point out what a bunch of lunatics your small band of nutbars are. You will never be satisfiedeven if you are holding it itn your hands because much like that bimbo in the video, youre mad that you no longer occupy the top perch in Amercia...stupid whiteman power days are over and you cant handle that. Its that simple. This has nothing to do with any BC and you know it! Reply

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Fondue
Jul 23, 09 8:22 AM CDT

"How do you explain the newspaper in 1961 giving his birth notice?" Honestly, that has got to be the best piece of evidence.

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TerrifiedCitizen
Jul 23, 09 8:23 AM CDT

Well actually, you make your point so eloquently I just don't know what to say.

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Snarfeh
Jul 23, 09 8:31 AM CDT

Go, Jesus, get biz-ZAY...

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UrUndertaker
Jul 23, 09 8:33 AM CDT

They used time travel??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

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godawgs
Jul 23, 09 9:16 AM CDT

Not that i believe the he isn't a citizen but I had my first son while I was overseas and I had birth announcements placed in a paper in Georgia and North Carolina. We just had to mail them a form. So in theory his parents could have mailed the form to have something in the paper. It's a dumb they but i keep reading about how the birth announcement is rock solid proof, and i just wanted to say that stuff can be mailed in.

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UrUndertaker
Jul 23, 09 8:31 AM CDT

Fondue, you are correct, The Daily Show is about the most accurate of any news mediums and provides a laugh at the same time, you need to laugh to avoid crying over the loss of intelligent life in the world. They now have proof positive that someone traveled through time and placed two announcements way back when just to falsely claim Obama is not US born. Not only that multiple REPUBLICAN office holders have verified that indeed he was born on Hawaii ot to mention the birth certificate of birth. Trust me, my original copy was lost due a house fire and my copy from Texas has the same info Obamas does as most states provide that type as well. Yes, it is a conspiracy to destroy America using time travel!!!!! Sorry, I must go find my tin foil hat before the aliens peek in my brain to discover it is filled with porn!!!!! Reply

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bacimom
Jul 23, 09 9:06 AM CDT

and who was it that allowed changes in the law to be made to accept Sen. McCain's birth in Panama? What would the Founders have written into the constitution if Geo Washington had been born in England? This is insane. The man was born in Hawaii. His mother was a U.S. citizen. One way or another someone needs to tell the nutbag declaiming that Potus is a Citizen of Kenya and not a Citizen of the U.S. that even if he'd been born elsewhere (which he wasn't) he would be a CITIZEN in any case. Even if he was able to produce the OB/Gyn, the maternity nurses and his entire maternal family they'd claim he was lying. This whole conversation belongs in the Enquirer or the Star along with tales of werewolves in Central Park, not on legit or quasi legit news sources. Reply

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DontLikeYou
Jul 23, 09 10:26 AM CDT

bacimom--- US law indicates that the father carries the citizenship in the case of a birth outside of the United States. Since Obama's father is Kenyan, and since Obama was born in Kenya, then it does not matter that his mother was a US citizen. You should really read more before you go throwing around opinions based on incorrect information.

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Shannonals
Jul 23, 09 12:08 PM CDT

@ dontlikeyou. There is not on shred of truth or evidence that Obama was born in Kenya. You need to turn off Rush and Fox news because if the evidence was on-hand it would have appeared during the primary verus just the rumors of people upset with the idea of a black president.

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Solly
Jul 23, 09 4:12 PM CDT

@dontlikeyou: careful about slamming someone else for possibly doing exactly what you are: Talking out your, ahem, ear. The Constitution (annoyingly?) leaves out the words "born on American soil" when referencing "natural-born". The intention of the phrase, as clarified by subsequent U.S. Code (you know, all those OTHER laws we obey that are based on. but do not appear in, the Constitution) is to describe a given individual as a "citizen at birth." a.k.a., born a citizen of this country (not, simplistically, necessarily on its soil.). Title 8, Section 1401 of the U.S. Code lists who is to be considered "natural-born." Among the list, it states, verbatim: "Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years." There is no specification as to whether said parent-citizen is male or female. NO WHERE in the Code as it currently exists is this distinction even alluded to. (no doubt much to your disappointment!) I'm sure, though, you'll provide a counter-citation from U.S. Code that supports your assertion.

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Deebles
Jul 24, 09 4:35 AM CDT

Don't like you. Hay! Citizenship is conferred by place and vagina. French mommy in Us. I'm both. What would dad have to do wit it. Civics? How can anything reside with fathers? So my birth my citizenship my facts are less important than your ideas?

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Caps
Jul 23, 09 9:49 AM CDT

Lou Dobbs, is a complete idiot. Why CNN even has him on is puzzling. Surely they can do better than that. Also Liz Cheney is just a chip off the old block of her dad. They all are a piece of crap. Reply

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DontLikeYou
Jul 23, 09 10:23 AM CDT

The story that won't go away. And to think that Obama could destroy this conspiracy if he would produce his actual birth certificate. But he hasn't. He won't. Why won't he produce his original birth certificate if he has nothing to hide? Reply

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Shannonals
Jul 23, 09 12:10 PM CDT

Why does the president have to show you paperwork that has already been verified by state and government officials? Regardless if he showed the genal public the actual documentation, you and others like you would still cling to the hope of your conspiracy theory .

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Solly
Jul 23, 09 4:23 PM CDT

I was born in PA in 1965. My original Birth Certificate is on file with the state. I paid my five dollars to get a copy (the copy contains the file number for the original, which I cannot have. The state will keep it forever. My "copy" looks almost identical to Obama's Hawaii cert., except mine does not even list my parents' names or my race. Different states have different requirements and different applicable laws. If you asked me for my BC, you'd get one with LESS info than Obama's. AND, what Shannonais said: just who are you such that your own expertise would, could, or should over-ride that of all the actual experts who have already ruled this to be a non-issue? What are your legal qualifications?

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newsrmandan
Jul 23, 09 11:40 AM CDT

I could care less if Obama was born in another country. I know a lot of people who come form former Soviet block countries that would make great presidents. Unfortunately they cant because they weren't born here. Personally I think its an outdated law that needs some serious re-consideration. Who better to deal with this new socialistic society we're forming than someone who has fled that system? A Romanian maybe? Reply

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dax
Jul 23, 09 12:18 PM CDT

Your attempt at sarcasm aside, it might be enriching if Gorbachev migrated to the US and taught in some university, perhaps becoming a member of a think tank. An interesting figure, he probably has a rich perspective on the ongoing evolution of society/politics in the Sino-Russian geographical sphere.

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dax
Jul 23, 09 12:09 PM CDT

Funny thing, Obama's sterling intellect and rationality demonstrates his eminent suitability for the office of president, regardless of the status of his birth certificate. And on the surface of the birther argument, this is about the status OF THE CERTIFICATE. The contrast between the rational process of the birthers and the rational process of the object of their scorn could not be more jarring. Reply

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sysco9
Jul 23, 09 4:40 PM CDT

I ask, if he truly is an alien, then where is his spaceship???? Reply

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SPH
Jul 23, 09 5:35 PM CDT

Biden better dig up his birth certificate....... Reply

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Fondue
Jul 23, 09 6:57 PM CDT

I want to see an actual birth certificate of every elected Republican. Reply

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mayo68
Jul 26, 09 3:05 AM CDT

HELL YEAH!

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BlahBlahBlah
Jul 24, 09 12:47 AM CDT

Birthers = Dumb People. Reply

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Reader68389796
Jul 25, 09 10:25 AM CDT

Lou shouldn't you be home reading the newspaper and picking up weeds and talking to the gardener when he comes around. First of all you are taking up space at CNN. You are too old for anyone to even listen to. Can you twitter, do you know how to ebb? Well, I guess you don't know these young terms so forget Obama and where he was born just go home and enjoy your grand kids and be tormented by whoever chose to live with your old fart ass! Reply

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lthurman
Jul 25, 09 6:45 PM CDT

On birth certs., is the box labeled "human" checked on any Repub. certs.?? Surely not on bush's. But then, was he really born or was he created out of bits and pieces of an old philosophy that no longer is relevant in the real world? Reply

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Chudluv
Jul 25, 09 8:00 PM CDT

Some people really should do some checking. The state of Hawaii got rid of paper doc.s beginning Jan 2001. So, when the change over began, most if not all, use of paper legal doc stored were scanned, and thrown away. There could be no more long-form from the State even if Obama wanted one. CNN and everyone else should really do their reseach. Reply

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