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South Africa Rages as Canada Grants White Asylum

Charges of racism after one-man board approves refugee

By Jason Farago| Posted Sep 2, 09 7:52 AM CDT|

(Newser) – A white South African man won asylum in Canada after a one-man immigration board ruled that his "fear of persecution by African South Africans" was justified, reports the Times of London. Brandon Huntley fled to Canada in April and told authorities he was attacked seven times by blacks calling him a "white dog" and "settler." The ruling has infuriated the South African government, which calls it racist.

South Africa has one of the highest crime rates in the world, but blacks and other races are just as much victims as whites. Canada's contention that the South African government is unable or unwilling to protect Huntley—and its strange claim that a white man would "stick out like a sore thumb in any part of the country"—led to sharp denunciations by the ruling African National Congress. "Canada's reasoning can only serve to perpetuate racism," a party official said.

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Jacob Zuma, the South African president and leader of the African National Congress. The government and the ANC both slammed Canada's decision to grant a white South African asylum. (AP Photo/Denis Farrell)

South African President Jacob Zuma gestures, as he arrives at Parliament for the state of the nation address, in Cape Town, South Africa, Wednesday, June 3, 2009. (AP Photo/Schalk van Zuydam, Pool)

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It would have been courteous for the Canadian authorities to contact the South African government to verify this case. The allegations are as preposterous as they are laughable. - A spokesman for South Africa's home affairs ministry

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DJM420
Sep 2, 09 8:27 AM CDT

he fails to mention he taunted the black groups with insults like 'kaffer' "nigger" etc.... i think we've only got one side to this story Reply

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godawgs
Sep 2, 09 10:42 AM CDT

source of the allegations please...

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DJM420
Sep 2, 09 11:22 AM CDT

its purely a guess as explained below...but if you cannot discern from the above article that there is only one side presented, then i cant help you

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DJM420
Sep 2, 09 11:54 AM CDT

LOL... SURE LOOKS LIKE SOME OF YOU GET THE 'WHITE' SIDE OF THE STORY AND DRAW YOUR CONCLUSIONS....NOT UNLIKE THE OTHER ISSUES WE EDUCATED PEOPLE SEE YOU RANTING ABOUT, WITH HALF (IF ANY) INFO

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godawgs
Sep 2, 09 12:05 PM CDT

so you just made it up then?

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DJM420
Sep 2, 09 1:53 PM CDT

yep, a pure guess, for the purpose of illustrating that we (none of us, not even J666) have all the facts....i like the debate it spurred, but next time i'll qualify my statement...LOL ... i shoulda said something like "this cracker was asking for it!" LOL

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Michael_CT
Sep 2, 09 8:45 AM CDT

i'm sure he could get asylum status based purely on how hard it is for a white man to find a job in this country. not to mention applying for studying medicine, etc where you are asked what race you are - and THATS not racism ANC??? give me a break. Reply

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Nwambe
Sep 2, 09 8:50 AM CDT

Canada's not exactly been a paradigm of racial tolerance of late. We have a Conservative (Republican) government in power that has, unfortunately ignored a number of citizens abroad who needed help (Suaad Hagi Mohamud), many of whom HAPPEN to be of black or Middle Eastern ancestry, and predominantly Muslim. Most Canadians don't like it, either. Reply

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chas_m
Sep 2, 09 10:07 AM CDT

The Conservatives in Canada are FAR to the left of the Republicans in America. Don't be so simple-minded. Hell, the Conservatives in Canada are to the left of most DEMOCRATS. Not that I'm a fan of the Canadian conservatives, but let's at least start from reality, hmmm?

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Nwambe
Sep 2, 09 1:44 PM CDT

Not under Harper, they're not. Hell, Harper's the only leader in the Western world who still clings to the archaic 9/11-us-vs-them mentality. The man wanted to re-open the debate on abortion, for God's sake.

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Jayster999
Sep 2, 09 8:59 AM CDT

Did he, DMJ? Were you there to personally witness this mans supposed racism? The truth is, South Africa became a lawless mess after blacks were given the reins of power. Johannesburg lost much of their economic prosperity when European companies pulled out in order to protect their workers from being raped and robbed. This once thriving city now has cattle wandering in it's streets. Being a taxi driver there is the most dangerous job in the world due to rampant murders/robberies/car- jackings. The Marxist ANC promised an egalitarian Utopia for all races, but delivered a nightmare, especially for whites. I know, DMJ, that you would say that the white had it coming because of their history of colonialism. But, two wrongs don't make a right, do they? Let's suppose that the blacks got the upper hand politically here and began to oppress whites--would that be right? Isn't an end of oppression what we all want? I don't doubt this man at all. He is seeking asylum from a country where the tables have been turned and whites are not being victimized. Kudos to Canada for their common sense and decency in handling this matter. As for the whining of the ANC, these people are Marxist thugs who want the world to believe that South Africa is a better place under their thumb. It is certainly not. Reply

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DJM420
Sep 2, 09 10:17 AM CDT

no dipstick...i stipulate that we are not getting all the story, so my guess is just that...use you brain skillz dude

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Fondue
Sep 2, 09 10:19 AM CDT

Typical hypocrisy. You call out DJM for "not being there" yet you claim that "being a taxi driver is the most dangerous job in the world due to rampant murders/robberies/car- jackings." Was this first hand experience as a taxi driver, or one man's accusation? When were you in South Africa? Please expound on the "nightmare for whites". And honestly Jay, do you truly want to end oppression?

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DJM420
Sep 2, 09 10:28 AM CDT

i wonder jester666...was the city 'thriving' during apartheid, as you suggest? define thriving... and were you there? interesting...

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Jayster999
Sep 2, 09 11:14 AM CDT

My information about South African taxi drive murder rates comes directly from multiple AP/UPI news stories, a fairly credible source. My information about the the general conditions in South Africa come from a friend who was a missionary there and a man I met who lives in Capetown, which he claims is the last safe haven for whites in the country. DMJ started this off with unwarranted depictions of this particular man's racial beliefs. Is that fair? He also says "we are not getting the full story." What else is there to know? This person says that the racial/political climate in South Africa is hostile toward whites. People come seeking such asylum from all over the world, why is it so inconceivable to you than blacks can oppress whites in the same manner that others have been oppressed/victimized? Do you think white Americans and Europeans are the only people in the world who have oppressed others? Slavery existed long before white colonialism, and in fact still exists in Africa today. Of course now it's just blacks enslaving blacks--the way it was before the white man came to Africa.

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DJM420
Sep 2, 09 11:26 AM CDT

thats you in a nutshell...dont explore any other info...just hearsay (as YOU point out - something you heard)...um...his beating may be unjustified...its hard to tell from the info provided...again, there's no helping you if you cannot easily see that there is only one side presented...who knows what the other is....you type a lot, but dont say anything....

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Jayster999
Sep 2, 09 11:39 AM CDT

Hearsay? You're the dipstick. Why don't YOU go find some information. Here, I'll help you start: http://www.csvr.org.za/wits/papers/papvtp4.htm

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Jayster999
Sep 2, 09 11:45 AM CDT

Unless you are in a court of law, conversations with people who have "been there and done that" are usually worth listening to. The man from Capetown that I mentioned came across as informed, credible, and made absolutely no disparaging remarks toward blacks. He seemed like quite a decent person and I believe his account entirely. He was not pro-apartheid, but he was very sorrowful for the condition of his country.

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Jayster999
Sep 2, 09 9:03 AM CDT

Correction: "whites are NOW being victimized" Reply

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Nwambe
Sep 2, 09 9:07 AM CDT

Victimized, eh? As compared to? What about the fact that there are four times as many guns registered to whites as blacks? Your assessment also falls flat when you look at average salary, number of university graduates per capita, and a number of other standard-of-living issues that you've conveniently forgotten to address. All I'm saying is, when the South African government says "Wow, that's racist", you can be fairly confident something screwed up. Reply

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Jayster999
Sep 2, 09 9:17 AM CDT

Victimized as being racially oppressed, as in rape, robbery, murder and hate speech. Whites in South Africa probably do make more money and are better educated. Does that make it okay for them to be targeted for abuse by the majority? It that's the case, then Asian Americans should be free game for persecution, right? If you knew anything about the history of the ANC, you would know that they are not untainted by corruption. This story simply makes them look bad, and justifiably so.

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jagerhans
Sep 2, 09 9:22 AM CDT

and how many UNREGISTERED, thus much more dangerous, weapons are owned by the black ? it is true that it all started with the white nations taking over and exploiting africa up to this day, but it is also true that racism and violence work on both directions or you want to say that the black are non-racist by definition ?

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Fondue
Sep 2, 09 10:25 AM CDT

Noticing a trend with you Jay - you only cry racism when it's against whites.

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Jayster999
Sep 2, 09 9:38 AM CDT

A classic example of reverse racial oppression is in Zimbabwe, where Robert Mugabe systematically turned the country into an oppressive, impoverished banana republic, where it used to be a thriving country. One of the things that Mugabe instituted was to give the land of the whites there "back to the native people.' The funny-tragic part of this is that the blacks knew very little of farming and a famine resulted. Zimbabwe went from being an African breadbasket to being an African breadline. Mugabe drove out and killed off the majority of whites in his country. I suppose to DMJ this is all justifiable and these white farmers (and the blacks who starved) were only getting their comeuppance. The truth is that Africa is much better place because of European influence. Too bad the liberal mind can't accept that simple truth. Reply

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jagerhans
Sep 2, 09 9:52 AM CDT

mugabe is also a tyrant robbing and murdering his own people. but of course uncle Sam is not going to give them democracy freedom and all the stuff, the country being totally empty of oil, gas,and uranium. but if one day the USA shall run short of nickel, chrome or platinum the Zimbabwe people will get one chance, of course if they accept to be killed a little in the process.

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Nwambe
Sep 2, 09 10:01 AM CDT

Okay, first of all fuck off. Insulting an entire political spectrum just invites like comparisons, i.e. "Liberals can't accept simple truths, but we learned that from the Republicans." and such. How about from now on, if you and I discourse, we pledge to do so without barbs and ad-hominem attacks? I swear to argue ideas and policy if you do. That being said, you're correct about Zimbabwe, and the same thing happened in Uganda - Being of East African South Asian descent, I can tell you all about it. However, both Uganda and ZImbabwe were headed by brutal dictators. South Africa has had a long record of peaceful elections, and the commensurate corruption that ensues. The problems in South Africa are bad, but nowhere near as bad as one might think, primarily because there are a number of white Afrikaners who are dedicated to the cause of racial integration, and do so wonderfully well. That being said, there will always be friction between these two groups, in much the same way that there will be friction between Palestinians and Israelis - The roots of the conflict go back quite some time, and we cannot realistically expect scars that are four hundred years old to heal without trace or blemish in the space of twenty years. Even East and West Germany still have issues. I will freely admit that there are racial issues, but I do argue that they are being sensationalized because of their context.

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jagerhans
Sep 2, 09 10:02 AM CDT

you pushed that too far Jay. it is a fact that the white robbed, enslaved and killed the black for centuries, period. when they found that they could go on exploiting africa without getting their hands dirty they shamelessly abandoned Africa half-baked to continue their robberies with the complicity of corrupted local governments. so that continent was neither able to reach full development (and in fact it wasn't intended to by most colonialist aggressors) nor it was left in its prehistorical peace. they remained underdeveloped, but with modern guns. big, big deal the european influence. Africa is so wonderful that now we europeans see the black coming in en masse to thank us paying us with the same coin... and who can blame them if they run from famines and wars that were caused by social disasters triggered by our greed and robberies ?

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DJM420
Sep 2, 09 10:19 AM CDT

you sure read a lot into SARCASM AND SPECULATION J666- i guess thats how GBeck and Hannibaugh get into your head so easily....

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JackShephard
Sep 2, 09 10:26 AM CDT

How heavy is it, Jayster? Your white man's burden, I mean. But no, you're right actually. The world should thank the Europeans for imperialism. The Mayans should be especially thankful, for the germs which wiped out one of the most advanced societies of the time. And the Hutu and Tutsi should be thankful to the Europeans who came in and instituted programs which directly led to genocide. And the black South Africans should be thankful too, that Europeans came in and put them all in tiny shacks in townships. Native Americans should thank European Americans for the reservations and the booze. All Africans should be thankful to European and American pharmaceutical companies which refuse to share patents or lower prices on ARV medications for HIV and AIDS. Do you know WHY there is so much crime in South Africa? And no, I know what you're going to say, and it's not because they're black. It's because they've been oppressed and crushed into poverty and squalor by whites. Crime rates are always higher where the poverty level is higher. The poverty rate in South Africa is so much higher among blacks directly and undeniably because of Apartheid. As for Zimbabwe, no one is going to argue that Mugabe has been wrong in literally everything he's done, but the reason the Africans failed at farming is BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT FARMERS. That's not how their culture operates. If you took a white American and stuck them in a rice field in China and told them to feed themselves, they would starve too. If the Africans were so unable to survive without the white man, how the hell did any of us get here? Because I guarantee you those first humans in Africa sure as hell weren't white. The truth isn't that Africa is a much better place because of European influence. The truth is that the parts of Africa with the most European influence are more like what you think a society should look like -- ruled by white men -- and that makes you feel safe. And your statement that Africa is a much better place because of European influence is the exact same type of statement that led to Apartheid and Native American Reservations and genocide in Rwanda. And no, for the record, I don't think whites deserve to be victimized or targeted, and having spent plenty of time in South Africa's townships, I have never been anything less than welcomed with open arms.

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Fondue
Sep 2, 09 10:35 AM CDT

Excellent essay Jack. Nice avatar too.

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Jayster999
Sep 2, 09 11:26 AM CDT

World history is replete with powers invading and oppressing others. Was colonialism good? No. Was slavery good? No. But, if you think that Africa, Asia and the peoples of other world populations have not benefited from whites much more than they have suffered, you are insane. Nearly all advancements in technology, agriculture, medicine, commerce, education and government have come from whites--particularly American whites. White American males should be venerated as liberators and benefactors of the human condition instead of treated as oppressors. Our American civil war effectively ended slavery as an acceptable institution that had existed globally. We didn't start slavery, we ended it.

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Jayster999
Sep 2, 09 11:29 AM CDT

Let's not forget that before whites oppressed the Aztec people, they were enslaving and cannibalizing their neighbors. Let's not forget that Africa was rife with tribal warfare, slavery and cannibalism before whitey showed up.

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DJM420
Sep 2, 09 11:33 AM CDT

yes, ty jack.....J666 please READ (if poss) "We Wish to Inform you that tomorrow we will be Killed with our Families" by Philip Gourevitch.....

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riffran
Sep 2, 09 11:07 AM CDT

I'm still waiting for the source to back the claim this guy called anybody a kaffer or nigger. Let me geuss. "it's not a matter if the claims are true it's the seriousness of the accusations". Fu** s Africa Reply

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DJM420
Sep 2, 09 11:37 AM CDT

um noone said he did...im guessing - we are only presented with one side - , im glad i put it out there too! it seems some people cannot comprehend what the above article presented - sure spurred some racist rants, brought out some true colors....

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Jayster999
Sep 2, 09 11:54 AM CDT

The first post on this page: "he fails to mention he taunted the black groups with insults like 'kaffer' "nigger" etc.... i think we've only got one side to this story" You said he did, DMJ. You're a liar, a hypocrite and your bias is obvious.

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karajlo
Sep 2, 09 1:38 PM CDT

actually it looks like he made a purposeful one-sided comment to illustrate that there is only one side presented in this story. you latched onto that comment, which he fully explained, and ran amuck with your ill-informed rants, showing us all once again, your true colors

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riffran
Sep 2, 09 9:01 PM CDT

"he fails to mention he taunted the black groups with insults like 'kaffer' "nigger" etc....YOU said it DJM a ditect DJM420 quote....doesn't need much interpretation...the true colors are shown alright...the liberal race card and finger pointing as usual Reply

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riffran
Sep 3, 09 4:29 AM CDT

ooops "direct" Reply

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sharlene
Sep 3, 09 10:20 PM CDT

If this guy had used that disgusting word, which should have been taken out of our society a long time ago, then I do not blame people from attacking him. We all live with crime in South Africa, must we all run and seek this kind of thing in other countries, why not just try leave if you want to like many others do the legal, normal way, ie apply for the relevant visa to the country you want to stay in. Also strikes me funny those that persecuted and caused alot of issues in the past, ie supported the national party and such, are the first ones to run. I left South africa, too but hate the fact that all the other people I meet here in Perth, are racist, and still use that horrid "K" word, it really depresses me, as I still Love south africa and have family there. I must say since arriving in Perth I have never met so many sore, hard racists in my time. I hated crime, as well, but we forget who caused all this, the great and all mighty apartheid govt we had in the past,mostly to blame for causing a whole generation to have no education. So should Canada then not let in all the white, black and any other person into the country on the same basis, blacks, indians, coloureds are all affected by crime and why are we once again using white, black and the like, we are all one rainbow nation and we are all suffering. I miss South Africa each and every day I am away and want to make Australia my home, but even here, being an english speaking south african I am also discrimanated against, what is going on, why do this, I have asked myself that question, but could be because my views are I do not find it funny to go around making jokes and using the "K" word, as a christian it deeply offends me. Reply

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riffran
Sep 4, 09 6:03 AM CDT

thumbs up there sharlene....good post

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