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Bogus name tars legit jobs, they say, but even some Dems aren't sure

By Kevin Spak| Posted Sep 17, 09 8:18 AM CDT|

(Newser) – Democrats are fighting back against the anti-czar fervor that has taken hold of the Republican party. Many of the so-called czars these officials insist must be confirmed by the Senate actually already have been, writes Jason Linkins of the Huffington Post. Others occupy positions they themselves voted to create, and others still are random functionaries they’ve decided to label czars.

So the DNC has issued a new ad turning Glenn Beck’s own anti-czar rants against him, pointing out how many of the czar positions he’s railing against were created by President Bush. But this week Democrats Russ Feingold and Dianne Feinstein broke ranks to voice objections about the czars—though Feinstein acknowledged the mislabeling, saying it isn’t “quite fair,” to call the deputy Interior secretary a czar.

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osu1067
Sep 17, 09 8:30 AM CDT

The Dems add is a little misleading. I believe Beck himself admitted that under W. there were 8 or 9 "czars". Last I heard, Beck said there were about 39 already under Obama. I'm not sure where the Dems got 47. Artistic license? Kinda of a weak argument by the Dems, but the add is funny. Reply

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UrUndertaker
Sep 17, 09 8:42 AM CDT

"The Dems add is a little misleading"???? LMAO and you say this in regards to one of the leaders of the Republican party, an admitted junkie/abuser who in his mind begins to attack on any front he can imagine and his stock in trade is misleading the public with his antics? The Democrats are just pointing our exactly who else had "czars" and who began the process, nothing misleading about ramming trash up the human compost heap named Glen Beck, just a closest birther with a pointy white hat

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Fondue
Sep 17, 09 8:47 AM CDT

osu, looks like you have some studying to do. Don't just take Beck's word for it - unless you want to be a Beckbot.

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logothete
Sep 17, 09 9:03 AM CDT

Fondue, osu IS a Beckbot.

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Spudsy
Sep 17, 09 12:35 PM CDT

A little misleading.....like those WMD's in Iraq.

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NewserScooter
Sep 17, 09 11:59 PM CDT

Glen has been eating the left's lunch for the last week. Instead of trying to cite where he has been wrong you just call him names. No wonder Time is putting him on the cover.

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yoeydude
Sep 17, 09 8:45 AM CDT

who cares about the details , this fucking raving maniac is responsible for most of the bat shit thats flying around us , he is responsible for misleading a million poor souls , old folks , illiterate , uneducated , ill-informed ,... the weak , this guy preys on the weak , grows rich on the confused ,... emboldens the scoundrels ,,,,,,,. take a god look into the innocuous face of pure evil , this guy revels in ignorance , thrives with chaos and disorder , spit flying and tears falling , and hate on his mind and lips , this is one of Satan minions ,.... make no mistake about that Reply

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logothete
Sep 17, 09 1:20 PM CDT

As you say in your discussion of the Independent article:"...the author argues more about semantics and ignores the fact that many confirmed “czars” were never confirmed by the Senate for the czar office they now hold" The argument IS about semantics. Who's using the very loaded term "czar?" The White House? No, they call them by their official names - "Advisors" or, in the case of the State Department folks, "Special Envoys." The term czar started out as newspaper quickspeak, generally for very specific highly-placed positions (Drug czar,Intelligence czar)in control of executive offices of policy administration. In the last few months, at the hands of Beck and his ilk, and the Wall Street Journal, the meaning has conflated to include any available target among the WH staff, including policy advisors - who have NEVER been subject to confirmation (witness Rove, Feith, Libby,etc) and should not now be. The term has been a goldmine for the right, suggesting as it does a sinister foreign influence, unbridled power and, to the unthinking, Communism. We're just lucky that the term "gauleiter" was too long for quickspeak or we'd have been buried in more talk of fascism. Obama's openness about those who advise him is to be commended, not condemned. Advisors operated very much in the background during the Bush regime, and have surfaced recently only as their misdeeds have become public. And I don't even want to touch the paranoid maunderings of Rev. Skaff or the apparatchik dissembling of Lucienne's favorite son - it's just not worth it. Click.

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logothete
Sep 17, 09 1:23 PM CDT

Sorry. Posted this in the wrong place. See below.

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Shannonals
Sep 17, 09 9:23 PM CDT

You can't take Beck so serious, he even stated that he is a commenter. So many people take his words as the living word without taking into consideration that he is an entertainer, just like Rush and Hannity. If he was so serious about the country he would have run for office, but with his past it's impossible

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osu1067
Sep 17, 09 8:47 AM CDT

Did I just hear someone's brain go 'click'? I believe Beck's contention is that under Obama, the number of "czars" in the executive branch has increased by about 30....in just 9 months! "one of the leaders of the Republican party"? Beck has repeated often that he is NOT a republican and has been consistently critical of BOTH political parties. He's conservative, NOT republican. There is a difference. And the Dems don't point out in this add "who began the process" In fact, it actually began with either Johnson or Nixon (although it could earlier presidents may have used the idea too) Reply

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logothete
Sep 17, 09 9:01 AM CDT

Osu, you've really been readung the Beck bible closely, haven't you? Always good to find a true believer. One tip, though - don't drink the Kool-Aid.

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WelcomeTo313
Sep 17, 09 9:04 AM CDT

Your right he's not a republican he's a talking head. The man thinks the words liberal and fascist are one in the same. So he claims he is not a republican Okay I get it he's soooo fair and balanced for saying that but the truth is he is a puppet for the republican party.

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osu1067
Sep 17, 09 9:50 AM CDT

@logothete: witty reply. Lacks any substance though. You never bothered to refute my original post. Glenn has admitted that W. had 8 or 9 czars. Glenn has repeatedly said that the number of czars has grown exponentially under Obama. Your response is condescending name calling?

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osu1067
Sep 17, 09 9:57 AM CDT

@WelcomeTo313: "The man thinks the words liberal and fascist are one in the same". I can see why you think that. Beck has read the book "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg. The book documents how American liberalism today, evolved from early 20th century fascism. Simply, liberal is fascist philosophy with a new names since fascism generally has a neg. connotation. Beck simply sees them as one in the same. Don't confuse liberal with CLASSICAL LIBERAL.

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yoeydude
Sep 17, 09 10:08 AM CDT

you dont have a fucking clue , you poor sorry son of a bitch , glenn beck does a greater disservice to you than to any of us , he is nothing new , if you look back in time you'll find a long a storied history of the rainmaker , the fortune teller , the tent revival preacher , the snake oil salesman ,. the florida real estate salesman .. it goes on and on ,.... but none have ever had the megaphone this scoundrel has , and you , your just another victim , i should feel sorry for you ,... i will try , but , ...... your such an ass hole that I dont think I can care about you

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osu1067
Sep 17, 09 10:44 AM CDT

@yoeydude: "your such an ass hole that I dont think I can care about you " Wow! I list information in my reply. You don't bother to refute the information. Instead, you resort to name calling? "Do you know what an ad hominem is? It a personal attack. It's a personal attack made by people who have run out of intellectual bullets. And your brain just went 'click'" - Brian Wilson. Your insults mean nothing and a waste of time. When you can refute the information....with FACTS...get back to me. If not, just thumb and run. That seems to be a modus operandi among many here.

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logothete
Sep 17, 09 10:53 AM CDT

Of course I'm condescending, that's the only way I could reach down to your adoration-oozing Beckian level. Good old Glen. And good old Goldberg. Learn to read real history, not the discredited party-line crap that Jonah the frog-bashing, "didn't have time to read my sources" Clinton-hating Goldberg spews. As far as refuting your czar count is concerned, why bother? We'd just wind up arguing the definitions of "czar" and "exponentially" and like Barney Frank, I've learned never to argue with a dining room table.

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osu1067
Sep 17, 09 11:06 AM CDT

@logothete: Did I just hear your brain click? So now you don't want to debate because you feel I'm not worth debating? Have you read Goldbergs book and developed your own conclusions about it? Or did someone else tell you about it and that was good enough? With regards to the czar count, that's the whole point! Where did the Dems. get 47? You're lack of ANY factual information and you're "refusal" to engage in any debate of facts can only mean one thing. You're brain's gone 'click'.

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logothete
Sep 17, 09 11:56 AM CDT

@osu - Of course I've read Goldberg's treatise, you idiot. Unlike you, however, I read it critically, and against a background of fact. It was a worthy best seller, but in the wrong list - it belonged in the Fiction list, just like The Da Vinci Code, of which it was reminiscent. The only good thing about Goldberg is the loyalty he showed to his mother.So why don't you run up your list of czars, and I'll run up mine, and then we'll compare - at length, sucking up all the oxygen available on Newser. Then we'll go on to discuss (your) (Beck's) definition of "exponentially", and then we'll have taken all the bandwidth on the planet and - you know what? You still won't understand where you're wrong. A brain which goes click is much preferable to one which oozes along in the same old channel day after day after day ...

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logothete
Sep 17, 09 11:59 AM CDT

Aren't we a little fixated on things which go "click?" Guess you're sort of a one-click pony.

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osu1067
Sep 17, 09 12:36 PM CDT

@logothete: “Of course I've read Goldberg's treatise, you idiot.” ‘Click’. Glad you read the book. Disappointed you were critical about it WITHOUT offering specific examples of criticism. Makes me wonder how closely you actually read it. Here is a list of “czars”. It also provides a definition of czar so you know what Beck means when he says czar. The article is one sided in it’s conclusions but the information is solid and concise. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=SKA20090701&articleId=14181. And to be “fair and balanced” here is a link refuting Beck and “czar” critics. http://coloradoindependent.com/37220/when-is-a-czar-not-a-czar. It is well thought out and well researched. Listed are the “czars” created by W. However, the author argues more about semantics and ignores the fact that many confirmed “czars” were never confirmed by the Senate for the czar office they now hold. Most interesting, the author admits Beck and others have valid concerns and a healthy debate is needed over the “power of the executive branch and the collapsing trust between the president and the Senate”. This concern is what Beck’s argument over the czars is all about.

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logothete
Sep 17, 09 1:21 PM CDT

s you say in your discussion of the Independent article:"...the author argues more about semantics and ignores the fact that many confirmed “czars” were never confirmed by the Senate for the czar office they now hold" The argument IS about semantics. Who's using the very loaded term "czar?" The White House? No, they call them by their official names - "Advisors" or, in the case of the State Department folks, "Special Envoys." The term czar started out as newspaper quickspeak, generally for very specific highly-placed positions (Drug czar,Intelligence czar)in control of executive offices of policy administration. In the last few months, at the hands of Beck and his ilk, and the Wall Street Journal, the meaning has conflated to include any available target among the WH staff, including policy advisors - who have NEVER been subject to confirmation (witness Rove, Feith, Libby,etc) and should not now be. The term has been a goldmine for the right, suggesting as it does a sinister foreign influence, unbridled power and, to the unthinking, Communism. We're just lucky that the term "gauleiter" was too long for quickspeak or we'd have been buried in more talk of fascism. Obama's openness about those who advise him is to be commended, not condemned. Advisors operated very much in the background during the Bush regime, and have surfaced recently only as their misdeeds have become public. And I don't even want to touch the paranoid maunderings of Rev. Skaff or the apparatchik dissembling of Lucienne's favorite son - it's just not worth it. Click.

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logothete
Sep 17, 09 1:30 PM CDT

Interestingly, one of the positions labeled as a "czar" is the WH Advisor on transparency in government.

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BlahBlahBlah
Sep 17, 09 9:03 AM CDT

Blind faith in Glenn Beck will never end. People are either too dam lazy to look up the facts for themselves or are just plain scared that the real information may actually make sense and they will see that their fearless leader is actually full of.... well, you know. Reply

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godawgs
Sep 17, 09 9:09 AM CDT

Well this doesn't have to do with facts. Glen Beck has become an effect opposition to some of the left's groups. If he was just a raving lunatic on the street corner they wouldn't care, but since he is a raving lunatic with a big TV/Radio/Book audience he is a threat to something. With his over the top, doom bunker type of "reporting" he is making some aspects of the left look bad, so now they are trying to do to him what he has been doing to them. Now people should check the stuff he says with sources on both sides of the spectrum, but he has brought up some interesting facts on people from the left.

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osu1067
Sep 17, 09 9:47 AM CDT

@Blah: I'm "too dam lazy to look up the facts". Can you tell me how many "czars" there are in the Obama administration? I'm afraid to think my "fearless leader" is "actually full of...well, you know.", but damn it, I want to know the "real information", especially if it makes sense.

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BlahBlahBlah
Sep 17, 09 12:14 PM CDT

osu1067, here we go, there is actually no concrete answer on how many czars are actually in the administration. It really boils down to what you consider a czar. Talking Points Memo counts up to 23, Foreign Policy.com has 18, and Politi Fact has it at 28. It is also important to mention that some of the czars are carrying over their positions that existed in the previous administration. To answer your other question, yes, you are obviously too dam lazy to look up the facts. When you want the real information, find it for yourself. Stop being a whinny little child because your daddy Beck is always getting slapped with facts by the left. What now Beck Jr.?

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osu1067
Sep 17, 09 12:47 PM CDT

@Blah: Thanks for the response. FYI, I only asked one question. But thanks for thinking I'm lazy! For evidence, scroll up a bit! I found real information! It actually touches on a lot of of the things you wrote about.

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BlahBlahBlah
Sep 17, 09 3:57 PM CDT

Nah, I will pass on reading any more of your comments. We can all cut and paste links of news articles to make our point. That does not mean that it makes your argument any more sound. FYI, I didn’t yank your chain in the first place Beck Jr. You responded to my comment and I, in turn, responded to yours. Get over yourself.

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radnip
Sep 22, 09 12:12 PM CDT

osu1067, just do an easy internet search. You'll find there are ZERO ("0") czars, because czars is not a job title and never has been. However, I can do something like call Hawking earth's science czar, etc. and viola, I've made up a czar. But is he really a czar? Is that one or is that still zero? So the answer to your question is go through a list of administration and government position, figure out which ones you want to label czars and there you go: Now, you know how many czars there are in your government. And now you know why Beck is crazy.

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riffran
Sep 17, 09 9:03 AM CDT

Well as usual if you can't stop the message attack the messenger. Just ask ACORN. Givem hell Glenn yeeeeeeha. That should earn at least five or more thumbs down. Thank you thank you. Thank you lol Reply

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Fondue
Sep 17, 09 9:11 AM CDT

Or, we could just ignore you.

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CenterIndependant
Sep 17, 09 11:34 AM CDT

what are you 12 years old?

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cornelison
Sep 17, 09 11:11 AM CDT

After 30 seconds I can't stand his rants. Reply

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yoeydude
Sep 17, 09 11:28 AM CDT

sos1067, Im back you fuckin moran , are you fucking kidding me ? Jonah Goldberg ? the Fascism of the Left ? even the title gives away the bi polar muddled mind of that self loathing jew , thats just fact , not venom , have you read it ? I picked it up , I could not get past the flap ,.... hack hack hack , look these people up , find out their histories , what do their peers , think of them ? what do the academics say about their facts and figures ,..... these guys bank on a short memories and a shorter attention spans , they count on the sheep Reply

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osu1067
Sep 17, 09 11:42 AM CDT

so you read the flap? You're conclusions are meaningless than because you didn't read the book for yourself. The last half of your reply is kind of all over the place. Nonsensical ravings questions. You want me to check what facts? I asked you to refute the facts and instead, you want me to refute myself??? Click, click, click.

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osu1067
Sep 17, 09 11:47 AM CDT

Oh, and you need to calm down. You're working yourself up too much! The name calling seems to be agitating you the more you write it. Brain clicking has a tendency to do that to people. Remember, you're trying to refute the information I've already provided. Just stay focused.

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yoeydude
Sep 17, 09 11:31 AM CDT

gleeful ignorance is the only term that comes to mind right now ,..... stunning Reply

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Snarfeh
Sep 17, 09 12:20 PM CDT

It appears that Obama has so many because he is not trying to hide anything. Herr Busch's administration kept it top secret who was advising them. That's the only reason it appears Obama has so many. Perhaps he should take yet another page from the Busch Book of Presidenting and just be as secretive as was Busch. Then, when the repugs start howling, Obama can just cite examples from his predecessor's reign to justify it. Reply

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easterner
Sep 17, 09 1:35 PM CDT

Von Hagens discovered a way to plasticize human bodies and has exhibited corpses stripped of their skin..........Glenn!! ... Put Jessica's dog down and sign up !! Reply

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yoeydude
Sep 17, 09 2:13 PM CDT

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Snarfeh
Sep 17, 09 4:53 PM CDT

The term "czars" has been used in every administration since Nixon, but the Republican Party knows its followers are so stupid that they won't remember. Thus, whipping them into a frenzy over it only takes about 5 seconds. Reply

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NewserScooter
Sep 18, 09 12:03 AM CDT

They are in effect Komisars. Czars is a mistaken term.

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riffran
Sep 18, 09 1:05 AM CDT

HEY I know that song *singing*" DON'T TURN AROUND UH OH..CHOP CHOP DER KOMISER'S IN TOWN UH OH".. Reply

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