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CDC Must Stop Advocating Circumcision

Male procedure just as backward as reviled female version

By Kevin Spak| Posted Sep 29, 09 2:54 PM CDT|

(Newser) – Virtually everyone in the Western world seems to agree that female circumcision is horrible. It greatly reduces sexual pleasure, violates individual autonomy, and provides no discernible health benefits. Well, all that is true of male circumcision, too, writes Ethan Epstein, yet the CDC is considering a plan to “promote routine circumcision” for infant boys. It’s “as degrading as it is illiberal.”

The push supposedly is intended to help reduce the spread of HIV. But the evidence behind that claim is incredibly dubious, and even if it did help, it “would remain an affront to human dignity,” Epstein writes for Spiked. Men deserve to control their body just as much as women. No one—not their parents, and certainly not the CDC—should involuntarily deny boys a lifetime of sexual pleasure.

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Maha Mohammed and her daughter Rehab, left, listen to workers from a local rights group, not pictured, who explain the dangers of female circumcision during a visit to Mohammed's home, Dec. 5, 2007. (AP Photo/Anna Johnson)

A boy screams as paramedics and relatives hold him down during a charge-free mass circumcision in Jakarta, Indonesia, Sunday, July 1, 2007. (AP Photo/Dita Alangkara)

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ryderbackside
Sep 29, 09 2:57 PM CDT

Well, women should get used to seeing more of the non-cut. Apparently with a little routine cleaning, its not that bad to go un-cut. Reply

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gabo
Sep 29, 09 3:02 PM CDT

With hygenic people, it is fine, but most of the world is not. This is not a good message to send.

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reasonator
Sep 29, 09 3:22 PM CDT

Not a reason to cut off a part of the body of a baby, Gabo. Many problems can come from being unhygienic, but you don't have the right to mutilate the genitalia of a baby, whether boy or girl.

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Yourself
Sep 29, 09 3:47 PM CDT

@reasonator - it's not a "right", it's conscientious decision. Not to mention, it's the right decision in most cases. the science stands true, and it shows that circumcision prevents the spread of a lot of diseases, even when people are very hygienic about it. Stop ignoring the facts...

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reasonator
Sep 29, 09 6:59 PM CDT

Your argument is flawed, Yourself. First, circumcision does nothing to stop the spread of "a lot of diseases." There are some claims that it helps to slightly reduce the chances of one disease -- AIDS. Emphasis on slightly. Let's say that the dubious claims that circumcision helps reduce the spread of AIDS is true. Even if it were true, a circumcised man still has to wear a condom. What, you think because a boy is circumcised he now doesn't have to worry about using a condom, or taking other protective measures? It just makes no sense to cut off a piece of a baby's body, when there is nothing wrong with that baby or that body part.

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shonangreg
Sep 30, 09 2:17 AM CDT

In addition, an uncircumcised penis in a condom gives much less sensation than a natural penis in a condom does; there is no natural back-and-fourth with the foreskin gone. So, Yourself, if you want to discourage the use of condoms, continue circumcising. ................. And your take on "right" vs. "conscientious decision" is a strange one. If you don't have the right to permanently alter someone else's body, then how does "conscientiously deciding" manage to give you the right? That just like a rationalization . . . Still, I will concede that parents will have to make some decisions for their children that have risks (like getting vaccinations), but the standard should be very high here. Unless there is *overwhelming* evidence that circumcision cuts diseases (which can be mitigated by teaching personal hygiene anyway) AND circumcision does not diminish sensation, then it is simply wrong to do it. People have been doing this not out of science and reason but out of religious history. Give it up! Other than religious zealots, no one cares if some guy is circumcised or not. Leave little boys' penises alone.

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kyleleitch
Sep 30, 09 2:32 AM CDT

I'd just like to throw out there that so far, people report complications related to circumcision in .06 to over 50% of cases which makes me believe that a lot of the decisions about this are highly speculative. Until there are some stronger, more defined numbers out there, I'm not advocating "routine circumcision." It's like having your wisdom teeth removed when they're growing in just fine; there is no medical reason to remove that particular part.

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kyleleitch
Sep 30, 09 2:37 AM CDT

Can I also just say, in line with what shannongreg says about use of condoms: maybe we SHOULD be teaching our children to use condoms. I mean, while they aren't as good as abstinence (I mean, how can you get an STD from not having sex), they do cut infection rates of HIV dramatically. Maybe our society shouldn't be so wrapped up in this outmoded Judeo-ethnic ritual that is intended as a *rite of passage* and abstinence-only education and be teaching our children ways of avoiding STDs, etc instead of mutilating their genitals.

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Reader65069154
Sep 30, 09 7:17 AM CDT

@resonator do your homework. If 70% reduction is "slightly" according to your math, then I'll take a slight tax reduction and you can pay in full. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8473838/

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polstroad
Sep 29, 09 3:02 PM CDT

You mean all these many years I have not been having sexual pleasure because of it? No so. If males should control their bodies then what right do parents have to have them vaccinated? Reply

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pwnage
Sep 29, 09 3:13 PM CDT

But how would you know the difference?

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reasonator
Sep 29, 09 3:21 PM CDT

You would be having more sexual pleasure uncut. There are a tremendous amount of sensitive cells located in the foreskin. Comparing this with being vaccinated is apples and oranges. When you get a child vaccinated, you are not CUTTING OFF a piece of their body. The foreskin is there for a reason. It helps protect the head, and helps with lubrication and friction. There is no reason to cut it off outside of barbaric and religious practices.

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OrganicTea
Sep 29, 09 3:25 PM CDT

Vaccination is not only about PROTECTING the child, which male circumcision is not (since it confers no significant benefits), but also about protecting the rest of society from un-vaccinated children that can incubate and transmit diseases (potentially allowing for adaptation as strains of the disease evolve). I'm not an advocate for all vaccinations, I don't get a flu vaccine every year, but some of the more repugnant disease, i.e. polio, have been very successfully combated for all of society by vaccines. Male circumcision is an antiquated antidote in America. Perhaps, as gabo suggested, it may still help combat viral infections in third world countries, but this is the CDC, an American government establishment, that is recommending this for Americans. There data for this recommendation is almost entirely taken from Africa, a place that, as a whole, has less clean water, less access to hygienic bathing facilities and much wider spread of disease and HIV than the US. It is a vastly different social and physical landscape than the US. Circumcision may actually be a help in combating HIV in Africa, but it is hardly an issue in the states where most people can bathe regularly in relatively clean water.

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Snarfeh
Sep 29, 09 8:20 PM CDT

I'm just glad I'm not heterosexual. Men are already carriers of various STD's that don't affect them, but which lead to serious medical problems for women. I can't imagine how much more bacteria would be transmitted from uncircumcised men to unsuspecting women. But hey, it's up to you hets, really....

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pwnage
Sep 29, 09 3:04 PM CDT

Would not want it done to me - didn't do it to any of the kids. nuff said about that. Reply

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vendetta
Sep 29, 09 3:22 PM CDT

Written by an uncircumcised douche. Its cleaner, its more healthy, it looks better. Deal with it,. Reply

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OrganicTea
Sep 29, 09 3:28 PM CDT

Just like cutting short the tails of dogs so they will "look better" or binding the feet of ancient Chinese women so they'd be more "attractive", right? If you, as an adult, choose to do it, feel free; but in a first world, hygienic country, there is no rational reason to do it to a baby. Instead, teach them about hygiene.

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stacysaw
Sep 29, 09 3:33 PM CDT

*looks better*? that is pretty dang funny. i think you mean "looks like the dirty drawings you see on bathroom walls" or "looks like what i used to scribble on my notebooks in middle school." more recognizable, that is. i'll be giggling all day on this one.

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Realist
Sep 29, 09 3:36 PM CDT

@Vendetta: Not sure how it's cleaner (my foreskin protects the head). Can't speak about the 'looks better' aspect, but if it's purely a cosmetic thing, go for it. I'm happy to be intact (and clean and healthy) thanks, and I figure it's not my place to argue with millions of years of evolution...

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pwnage
Sep 29, 09 3:41 PM CDT

Well, maybe it makes _your_ junk look better. Some people think a spike right through the snake looks cool too! But that's their choice to do or not to do.

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Snarfeh
Sep 29, 09 8:24 PM CDT

@stacysaw - do you suspect the guys who *don't* want to be circumcised like their foreskin because it's like a little cape on their penises? Look! Up in the sky! Well, for some guys, look up... Hey...it's...it's...omg, it's SUPER PENIS!!!! CUM to save the day!!! Frankly, THAT would be the reason I would not be circumcised if I were a man....capes are kewl....

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stacysaw
Sep 30, 09 9:43 AM CDT

@snarfeh, i can't tell if you're flaming me or not, but your caped penis image is very funny. reminds me of something ace and gary, the SNL cartoon characters would do. i was just saying earlier that i've never heard anyone refer to what would make a good-looking penis. would the caped penis also wear a little lone ranger mask or headgear of any sort? get it, headgear? (booooo....)

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Snarfeh
Sep 30, 09 4:37 PM CDT

@stacysaw - Noooo, I'm not flaming; I'm just enjoying the ride. And omg, a mask...a ONE EYED MASK for the CAPED CUMSADER!!! Does anyone remember The Groove Tube and the upside down penis "sitting" on a park bench educating viewers about STD's?

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Reader65069154
Sep 29, 09 3:44 PM CDT

Uninformed author. Circumcision is one of the more effective and simple tools in the fight against AIDS. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8473838/ Reply

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Yourself
Sep 29, 09 3:49 PM CDT

@reader, get ready to get slammed by uninformed people that decide to ignore the scientific facts... +1 from me..

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Realist
Sep 29, 09 4:06 PM CDT

Condoms are also effective, and far less brutal. They even come in flavors now, you know :)

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Enoughie
Sep 29, 09 5:47 PM CDT

It's a surgery, and any surgery may have complications. I wonder if there are more circumcised people who were "saved" from AIDS (you can use condoms, or choose your partners wisely, you know...), or circumcised people that had serious complications (sexually dysfunctional)

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Enoughie
Sep 29, 09 6:08 PM CDT

Well, I asked a question, and I found the answer: There are about 468,000 people living with AIDS in America today. 75% of them are men. Meaning about 120,000 are women. Every year 1.25 million infants undergo circumcision in the US. About 48,000 of them experience [avoidable] complications. You do the math if it's worth it.

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reasonator
Sep 29, 09 7:07 PM CDT

I guess reader isn't going to use condoms at all since he has the invisible condom of circumcision. No, wait. I bet he will feel real stupid when he has to roll a condom onto his circumcised penis. A lot of good it did when you have to use a condom anyway, right. Keep your hands and knives away from infants.

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Reader65069154
Sep 30, 09 7:14 AM CDT

Wow you're all showing your brilliance in full. Do you know that in Africa, where the biggest AIDS problem is, men won't use condoms, no matter how many time they are taught or how free they are?

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reasonator
Sep 30, 09 3:47 PM CDT

So your answer is to cut off part of a baby boy's penis. Why not go for full castration? That should cut down on AIDS near 100 percent. Brilliant.

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reasonator
Sep 30, 09 3:52 PM CDT

Let me put it this way, reader. Circumcision has been done for thousands of years before any kind of evidence hinted at it helping to prevent HIV. It was not done for health reasons at all, but for religious reasons. It was always a barbaric practice, IMO. Imagine a world where circumcision was never invented. Do you think that in that world anyone would take seriously the suggestion to cut off the foreskin of a boy's penis because it reduces the chance of AIDS by some percentage? No. Parents wouldn't do it. They would teach hygiene and safe sex practices, a much more sane and reasonable approach.

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I_hate_to_say
Sep 29, 09 4:18 PM CDT

As a longtime reader of the Playboy magazine, there's something to be said for decreasing sensitivity, especially from the perspective of a female partner. However, under sexual effects, Wikipedia notes: In a 2008 study, Krieger et al. stated that "Adult male circumcision was not associated with sexual dysfunction. Circumcised men reported increased penile sensitivity and enhanced ease of reaching orgasm."[122] Reply

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panopel
Sep 29, 09 4:57 PM CDT

I know people fear change, but stop cutting off parts of babies genitals! There is no medical reason for it stop trying to make stuff up to make this ok. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills why would any one think that is a good idea? Reply

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panopel
Sep 29, 09 5:02 PM CDT

I can't believe people are for cutting off parts of there children genitals! There is no medical reason for it stop making stuff up to try to make this ok. I know people fear change, but stop mutilating genitals! Reply

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Fatquah
Sep 29, 09 5:18 PM CDT

The only reason it's done it is for self-centered women preferring it. Though they convince themselves and others it's really for hygienic reasons. Reply

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Hip
Sep 29, 09 7:17 PM CDT

Circumcize the baby cause he might get AIDS in 20 years? hahaha! How about leave the baby how he was meant to be and teach him about life before he gets to that age. Circumcize the baby cause it "looks better"? aaahahaha The skin pulls back people...they're all the same. Circumcize a baby because it's cleaner? hahaha we're not in the One-bath-a-month Age anymore. Circumcised or not, if you don't wash, you stink! If, after all of that, you're still pro cut, then cut off his hands too, cause a lot of people steal and kill people with their hands when they grow up. Reply

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Hip
Sep 29, 09 7:18 PM CDT

Oops...circumcise

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sadtimes
Sep 29, 09 7:35 PM CDT

Its just not visually nice...and most guy could use a little less pleasure sensititivity anyway. Reply

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kirei_gaisuto
Sep 29, 09 7:35 PM CDT

Genital mutilation is genital mutilation people. Whether it's a boy or a girl. If a boy grows up and decides he wants the procedure done, then that's his right. Cutting off body parts cause it "looks better" and SLIGHTLY reduces the risk of infection is stupid. I've known plenty of uncircumcised guys and they'll tell you that it's not that big of a deal to clean it. And you know it's not just skin. It has nerve endings and shit. And they don't even numb it or put the baby out. They just cut it off while they're wide awake. So tell me how that's less barbaric than scissoring off a baby girl's clitoris. Reply

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Snarfeh
Sep 29, 09 8:30 PM CDT

I know a guy who got circumcised at age 18. After seeing what he went through, I realllllly don't think guys should do it as an adult. He was miserable and in so much pain for so long. He kept saying, "DAMMIT, I wish mom had gotten this done for me when I was a baby and wouldn't remember it..."

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reasonator
Sep 29, 09 9:27 PM CDT

@snarfeh: He probably got it done for religious reasons, correct? I'm not religious, and I think the practice is still barbaric, even with religious history behind it. But, at least it was his own decision (albeit, IMO a dumb one).

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kirei_gaisuto
Sep 29, 09 9:45 PM CDT

@Snarfeh, my point exactly. Your friend got circumcised and was in pain for a while, so how is it ok for a baby to be in pain for a while? BTW, people always use the "oh he won't remember the pain excuse." So I guess I should go out and punch a baby in the face. You know, cause he won't remember.

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Snarfeh
Sep 30, 09 4:40 PM CDT

@reasonator - Honestly, I don't know why he got it done, but I know it was not for religious reasons as his family was not religious. Maybe there was a medical reason he had to have it done or maybe he just thought his penis was different amongst the guys. I really don't have a clue as to statistics on how many men are versus are not circumcised. But I do remember what he went through and I wouldn't even wish it on one of the repub boys who post here. I may joke about the penis, but I know it's a sensitive thang for the guys, so I am just playin'....

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Snarfeh
Sep 30, 09 4:46 PM CDT

Back off, Kirei...I am not advocating circumcision at any age nor am I against it. It's just not my thing to make a call on since it is obviously debatable whether it is beneficial. With girls, however, the clitoris being cut off does not affect hygiene; THAT is nothing short of a religious thing to keep them from enjoying sex, therefore, I am more inclined to classify it as genital mutilation. I just know that HE said he wished it had been done when he was a baby. And for all I know, this is one case where size matters....:::shrug:::

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missprim
Sep 29, 09 9:19 PM CDT

finally people are talking about this- what's next gay rights (jesus!) or even the rights of animals- i'm just happy people are even thinking about this because it has traditionally been a moot point. the aids crap is bullshit Reply

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yummines
Sep 29, 09 10:35 PM CDT

i dunno, there are people who are extremely lazy at cleaning themselves... it is true that bacteria will get in whether or not you are circumcised, but it could be worse when you are not. who knows, for me it is better to be safe than sorry. besides i would hate to imagine the pain if someone had to get circumcised at a later age. i do not want a shot needle near my "dong". but yes a baby will not remember the pain, so it is better to get it done and over with before it is memorable. nobody says that pain is ok if you cannot remember it, but if it is necessary it is better if you do not remember Reply

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WallyEFunk
Sep 29, 09 10:46 PM CDT

I heard there's a support group for men, who had ther foreskin and now miss there's. Every girl I've been with prefer I am done?Never had my boys done though. Reply

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hughchi
Sep 29, 09 10:52 PM CDT

You should be circumcised because Jesus was. And since Jesus was God on earth, that means God is circumcised. Reply

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Snarfeh
Sep 30, 09 4:48 PM CDT

lol!

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Everybodysgotone
Sep 30, 09 10:03 AM CDT

There is absolutely no equivalence between male circumcision and female genital mutilation. Cutting off some foreskin does not deny one sexual pleasure. Cutting off a clitoris does. Male circumcision may be of dubious health benefit, but female circumcision is nothing but suppression and dominance. Reply

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