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Hitting a Nerve

'Going Rogue' phenomenon may foreshadow something bigger

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Matt Taibbi

Palin: Our First WWE Politician

Pick an asshole, any asshole, and she'll rock the house

Nov 22, 09 10:44 AM CST
ROLLICKING RHODE ISLAND

Zip It on
Communion
Ban: Bishop
to Kennedy

Tobin thinks Patrick's spiritual matters should be left private

Nov 23, 09 1:21 PM CST
DAVID FRUM

Pundits Lie, Numbers Don't:
Women Despise Palin

Frum: So stop telling us how popular she is with 'the people'

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Once-Profitable Services
Are Killing Local Budgets

Utilities, transport, even gambling, are now $3.5B drains

Nov 23, 09 11:52 AM CST
Debt-Happy US Faces Payback Time as Rates Rise

Cost of debt to skyrocket $500B in next 10 years

Nov 23, 09 7:29 AM CST
Ethics Panel Charges Sanford With 37 Violations

Civil committee slams SC gov for travel expenses

Nov 23, 09 2:25 PM CST
First State Dinner to
Reveal Obama A-Listers

Mad scramble for invitations

Nov 23, 09 1:42 AM CST
the big plan

Beck Will Host Conventions
to Educate America

He's shifting toward political organizer, plans big DC rally

Nov 21, 09 5:06 PM CST
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South Carolina senator throws weight behind conservative insurgents

Nov 23, 09 7:47 AM CST
editorial

NYT to Blankfein:
Your 'Apology'
Is Bull

Editorial board schools Goldman CEO in true meaning of 'sorry'

Nov 22, 09 4:53 PM CST
Congress' New
Whipping Boy:
The Fed

Bernanke & Co. run into populist ire over Wall St bailouts, unemployment

Nov 23, 09 8:54 AM CST
Palin Pulls in Big Bucks
—for Democrats

'Going Rogue' boosts Dem fundraising to new high

Nov 21, 09 6:50 AM CST

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DAVID BROOKS

Beck and Co.: Just Little Men With Big Voices

By Kevin Spak| Posted Oct 2, 09 9:40 AM CDT|

(Newser) – Once again the right-wing radio guys have managed to convince everyone that they are a great and powerful force to be reckoned with. David Brooks revisits the 2007 Republican primaries, when Rush, Hannity, Beck and company were all weak-kneed over Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney, but bashed “unreliable deviationists” John McCain and Mike Huckabee. What happened? Huckabee emerged as a star and McCain won.

These jokers couldn’t even deliver primary voters in South Carolina! So why is the GOP doing it again? Brooks asks. The lesson is one of “remarkable volume and utter weakness,” he writes in the New York Times. "It is the story of media mavens who claim to represent a hidden majority but who in fact represent a mere niche. It’s a story as old as the Wizard of Oz, of grand illusions and small men.” The saddest thing, he says, is that Republican politicians seem actually to believe them. "They pre-emptively surrender to armies that don’t exist.”

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Pay no attention to the conservative behind the curtain!

In this Jan. 13, 2009 file photo, conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh talks with guests in the East Room of the White House. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds, File)

Believe me, I'm great and powerful, and can deliver the base.

In this May 5, 2009 file photo, newscaster Glenn Beck attends the Time 100 Gala, a celebration of TIME Magazine's 100 most influential people in the world in New York. (AP Photo/Evan Agostini, file)

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The Republican Party is unpopular because it’s more interested in pleasing Rush’s ghosts than actual people. - David Brooks

I have asked many politicians what happens when Limbaugh and his colleagues attack. The story is always the same. Hundreds of calls come in. The receptionists are miserable. But the numbers back home do not move. - David Brooks

The rise of Beck, Hannity, Bill O’Reilly and the rest has correlated almost perfectly with the decline of the GOP. It’s because they have illusory power, because Republicans hear the media mythology and fall for it every time. - David Brooks

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Citrixguy
Oct 2, 09 9:45 AM CDT

I guess since they can't argue the facts, they will just attack the man. pity Reply

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Snowleopard
Oct 2, 09 11:06 AM CDT

Beck's facts are proven wrong on a daily basis.

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Snowleopard
Oct 2, 09 11:08 AM CDT

btw, this op-ed is coming for a conservative, whose now embarrassed to call himself a republican since the party has strayed into crazy town.

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LionKing
Oct 2, 09 12:50 PM CDT

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LoudProudLib
Oct 2, 09 1:00 PM CDT

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Spudsy
Oct 2, 09 1:22 PM CDT

Actually Citrix, the facts are that the talkers backed the wrong guys in the primaries. It's not even an attack, it's just stating a fact. He is trying to tell you cons to think for yourselves and quit listening to guy who get paid big bucks to make the most outrageous choice. You should have figured this out when all Dems refer to Rush and Beck as the GOP bosses. The Dems want as many cons as possible to take directions from these talkers and split the con vote between them and the actual thinking cons. Maybe I shouldn't have wised any of you up. Oh look, that Sarah Palin is hot, and soooo smart. Vote for her.

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Citrixguy
Oct 2, 09 1:26 PM CDT

@loudproudmoron - if anything your the racist.

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odowd80
Oct 2, 09 1:28 PM CDT

Yet another moron who doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're."

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Carpediem4U
Oct 2, 09 1:39 PM CDT

What do you base that on? And why haven't you made even a simpleton's attempt to debate his claim? I haven't seen one racist remark made by him 'citrix'. Explain your avatar. Explain your comments, provide one single solitary example to back anything you say. He backed up what he said by pointing out your racist avatar. Where is your proof Glenn Beck Jr? You cant provide any because there is no explaining needed. You are what you are and no one from this side made you that way. You volunteered to be a racist, you picked out that avatar knowing it was racist. Deny that or change your avatar to something non political or racist if you are not a racist. If you dont like being called a racist, stop being one. It's like going to the doctor and saying "doctor, it hurts when I hit myself in the head with this hammer" Doc says " stop hitting yourself with the hammer!!!"..seems easy enough to me, but I guess when hatred ruins deep to the bone you'd rather caress that hatred. Thats your right, but its our right to call you on it.

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lindamae
Oct 3, 09 11:26 PM CDT

When you listen to Beck or read his books, you will find facts that are supported by citation so you can check them out yourself. The White House fires back at the man, not the facts he presents in his show and books. I wouldn't expect anyone to realize Beck's accuracies of one listened only to the main stream media reports - they are jokes and insults to those who think. I still suggest NewsBusters since they provide the video clips of network "news" that just is so biased or incomplete. Take the challenge and visit the site for a week - then you can debate the issues. Breitbart also links to news venues around the world so it is also a good place to find facts. I'm sure no commenter here has heard that the UK refers to Obama as President Pantywaist, or the French call him steeped in fantasy, or the Indians call him a neophyte or the Poles call him a betrayer... Great articles from around the world. Check them out.

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thejoint00
Oct 16, 09 6:42 AM CDT

race race race. race race race. Liberals seem to be feeling inadequate about their skin color. Or else they are being taught to mime hatred for white people. Where is that coming from if not from the media? Citrix obviously did not mention anything about race and many conservatives do not mention these "race issues” except in rebuts like this one. So please do as I do and hate racists. And even more so hate those who use racism as an excuse for failure. Don’t like me good, don't like Obama better, but please do not limit your mind to shallow frivolities such as shade of a person's skin.

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Stasis
Oct 2, 09 10:01 AM CDT

Republicans are born retarded. Pity. Reply

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wwwonderer
Oct 2, 09 11:49 AM CDT

Nature vs. nurture. republicans aren't born that way. It takes years in a certain environment to produce one. Sorta like a diamond, but not nearly as valuable.

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Spudsy
Oct 2, 09 1:24 PM CDT

Not years wwwonderer. I am old but I still crank out something like them once a day. With a couple of White Castle sliders I can do two.

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schmidtkoff
Oct 2, 09 1:53 PM CDT

@stasis - actually some mentally retarded folks show more intelligence and savvy than the rebubs.

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Doctor_Zaius
Oct 2, 09 10:04 PM CDT

Spudsy, you crack me up. Infinite thumbs up to the Spudsy!

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MrsK
Oct 2, 09 10:04 AM CDT

For such little voices, they get an awful lot of attention on Newser. Reply

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schmidtkoff
Oct 2, 09 10:24 AM CDT

just like you mizK.

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Toon
Oct 2, 09 11:28 AM CDT

That's because it just takes one Beck nut with a gun to subvert the will of the voters. And as the article points out their aren't enough Beck followers to have regular power so some of them are willing to destroy what the founding fathers built instead.

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Carpediem4U
Oct 2, 09 1:15 PM CDT

Good Lord Mrs K! Have an original thought and post once in awhile! And heres an 'aside' for you to put in your brain. If any of these heros of yours were so brave, why is it not one of them will invite or appear on these liberal shows you hate so much and claim they are full of liars? How is it that you're attracted to cowardly men?

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schmidtkoff
Oct 2, 09 2:00 PM CDT

@carpdiem - yep - they have been invited, challenged and dared to go on opposing(?) channels. what about olbermann's challenge to hannity about waterboarding. put the money where the mouth is. they can't. cut and run.

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Shannonals
Oct 2, 09 4:52 PM CDT

Your a very ignorant individual MrsK. If Beck and other actually believed the country was straying, and they had the answers to bring our country out of a rut, they would have ran for an elected office and/or placed their name in the hat for the Presidential nomination. You won't ever see that happen of course because of the dirt that come to light and because their isn't any money in it for them.

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foodchain11
Oct 2, 09 10:04 AM CDT

Brook's underplaying again. The GOP continues to ignore inciteful behavior. Timothy McVey was a right wing nut case, frothed up just as they are again today. We cannot afford to soften and down play this. While the majority is not influenced to action, enough are. The left wing radicals were no different in their anger and self-righteousness, taking the law into their own hands. Reply

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divetrader
Oct 2, 09 10:40 AM CDT

Beck has always admitted he doesn't report news. He is a hack who gives his wingnut opinions. Rush is just a druggy who shares his small mind with small people. Reply

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ezrider
Oct 2, 09 10:57 AM CDT

they are more like little boys (beck & co.) Reply

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muckyman
Oct 2, 09 11:06 AM CDT

Beck’s job description requires that he mesmerize, proselytize and purport “facts” for unthinking conservatives, and provide entertainment for thinking liberals. . Perhaps, if both left and right would take time to “sift the dung”, Beck would disappear from the daily headlines. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spKr46-KPC0 Reply

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schmidtkoff
Oct 2, 09 1:40 PM CDT

@mucky - we sift the dung. but the becks just keep producing more. like the sorcerer's apprentice.

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hwoodude
Oct 2, 09 11:23 AM CDT

George Bush thoughtlessly planted seeds of fear 8 years ago after 9 -11 in the hearts and minds of the public, and continually watered it with double talk re: his ability to solve these "problems", most of which didn't exist. Media whores Beck, Hannity,Limbaugh, Coulter , Savidge, et al,...mostly "style" and miniscule substance ... continue the fear mongering histronics in place of thoughtful, intelligent opinions based on facts not ratings seeking, in your face personal attacks. America needs a strong two party system that can work together to resolve the multitude of problems that George "Decider" Bush created. The above Republican "commentators" have never held an elective office, served in the military, taught at a university, or solved any serious issues. They mostly exist to make problems, not solve them, to get attention, ratings, book deals and MO N E Y ! Reply

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schmidtkoff
Oct 2, 09 1:47 PM CDT

yes hwoodude,but the histronics of those nut jobs will not prevail. they are the empty suits contrary to what the righties would like us to believe.

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hamsammichs
Oct 2, 09 11:37 AM CDT

Jesus, how left-leaning can this site possibly get? I want objective news dammit. Not people throwing cheap shots. Reply

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shonangreg
Oct 2, 09 11:56 AM CDT

Again with the bias charge . . . Just because the Republican Party has nothing of substance to say doesn't mean its biased to report that.

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bcfilmguy
Oct 2, 09 12:05 PM CDT

Check Newser's sources. They give a list in order of most popular sources. http://www.newser.com/topsites.aspx Wall Street Journal, owned by NewsCorp (Rupert Murdoch) is #3 after the Associated Press and the New York Times. And Newser is run by Michael Wolff, who wrote "The Man Who Owns the News" and got unprecedented access to Murdoch and NewsCorp, resulting in a very fair and candid look at his life. Bottom line, the users on the site may be more left-leaning but the site is pretty "fair and balanced."

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luvroks
Oct 2, 09 1:08 PM CDT

You aint gotta leg to stand on there 'hamhanded' with that response. wont you please point out how presenting the facts is a cheap shot? if thats all you got, then thats all you got! just like mrs k, no original posts, just the ability to counter with a smear as if thats on the same level as a well thought out response. it isnt.

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Carpediem4U
Oct 2, 09 1:21 PM CDT

Im glad to see you are still here luvroks! I was afraid that last night's kneecappin you got from cherylfox had taken the shine off of this site for you. As you can see from the posts, you are in very good company and we got them outnumbered, just like in the elections! And I think they are beginning to slink away like the slimey slugs they are after you pour salt on them! As pointed out by LionKing, hate and stupidity does indeed have a shelf life and stinks after awhile! Reply

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BOTHPARTIESSUCK
Oct 2, 09 1:30 PM CDT

LionKing, why is Citrix avator racist. Didn't this all originate with a Vanity Fair spread of Bush as the Joker. Was it racist then? I disagree with Obama and I'm white does that make me a racist? Is that your only argument? I think in America we should all debate, but I'm so tired of the race card. I have a daughter who is half black and and half white and you libs make it hard for me to teach her that there are no excuses in life. You have to work hard. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist but it's on both sides and the more you use it the more it diminishes the true racism. If every body would stop looking at issues from a democrat/republican prospective and look at it from an american prospective we would all be better off. Do people really think these politicians really care about us. They don't, none of them do. Let's stop arguing about petty things because all it does is distract us from the real problem, which is the GOVERNMENT. People need to take care of their own and quit looking for a hand out. In America if you have the drive to succeed you will, whether your black, white, purple, or green. That is what makes this country great. Can we please all agree on that? Reply

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Carpediem4U
Oct 2, 09 1:42 PM CDT

I wont even dignify your comment with a response because you are as clueless as citrix guy.

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luvroks
Oct 2, 09 4:27 PM CDT

maybe next time if you really want to address someones comment and like a give and take you wont come at them with knives in hand.......hmmm....maybe....can we agree on that? Or are you gonna call me a facist racist feminist commie too?

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johntitor
Oct 2, 09 3:07 PM CDT

<---------Oligarchy,,,,,,Anarchy-----------> (the real political spectrum) When will you wake up to the fact that you're all in the same party. This isn't a recent development. Divide and conquer, there is no two party system. You are all them same. Money. Money. Money. Reply

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BOTHPARTIESSUCK
Oct 2, 09 3:48 PM CDT

Carpediem, You won't respond to my statement because you know I'm right and you can't argue it. You use racism as an excuse when you can't debate. You are the example I use when I'm teaching my 15year old daughter that you need to think for your self and not let people influence you. I don't think my comment was partisan one way or the other and you have to respond by "I'm not going to dignify your comment, your clueless." Your clueless, I'm clueless because I think people should achieve on their own. Nice argument, and the fact that you would even argue my comment tells me that you probably got a check from the GOV. yesterday. Too bad, it's people like you that tell people that they will never achieve because of what they look like or where there from. I like to motivate people no matter their circumstances, because like I said earlier We live in the greatest country on Earth and anything is possible. And by the way your avatar is racist. Reply

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LionKing
Oct 2, 09 4:08 PM CDT

You're not even cute. He was speaking only of the avatar. And you went out of your way to insult him. He, like the rest of us can mop the floor with you and your mindless dribble. You totally missed his point. If you've not figured this out or if your Momma didnt teach you better then maybe you should be getting lessons from your daughter and not the other way around. I see why he didn't dignify your comment and still refuses to. Have you even bothered to review all of Citrix past comments? Have you? No. You just liked the avatar just as much as citrixguy because you and citrixguy think along the same lines so you stood up and defended his racist avatar. Just because you think its cute and see nothing racist about it you declared "I'm right and the rest of you are wrong." And though I dont need to say this in Carpediem defense, he owns a rather sizeable business in the DFW area and in Chi-Town as we use his services all the time. His company employs at least 135 people at last count when we were there earlier this summer for the annual company picnic. His company pays for the employees health care and he matches dollar for dollar up to 200 a month to their Roth IRA contributions. Most people who claim others are on the government dole are usually themselves on the government dole. You are nothing but an ass! I hope your wife does more to raise your daughter than you because you are a failure as a man.

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Carpediem4U
Oct 2, 09 4:20 PM CDT

My avatar is racist? I stand at 6'9 and weigh in at 290. My wife has always referred to me as a big hairy gorilla as I am, as they say, kinda hairy as men go. That avatar was chosen by my employees when I decided at their behest to join this sight. Before yesterday I didnt know what an avatar was or what the word meant. Anything else I need to address for you Sir? And thank you Kyle for your continued efforts you and your staff make down in Dallas. You are an asset to our team. We had a great time there this summer didnt we! My wife and I enjoyed your hospitality but it sure was hot! And you still owe me a Pepsi for that horse shoe game where I cleaned your clock! (haha)

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LiberalJesus
Oct 2, 09 4:41 PM CDT

I do not mean to speak for "bothpartiessuck" but I think he meant well and just didnt quite present his thoughts in a way that conveyed "I would like to have a rational discussion" Not trying to be peace maker here but I do not think he meant to be rude or offensive and maybe there was a case of miscommunication and nothing more. I would not even begin to put him in the same lot as 'citrixguy' and his buddies as I do not recall any of his comments off hand but you begin to remember the cranks and the good guys and I dont recall him as being a crank. I think any and everyone should simmer down here and not make hasty judgements without backing them up with really concrete reasons to justify said judgements. Just an opinion. Thank you. Reply

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bcfilmguy
Oct 2, 09 6:05 PM CDT

Was just thinking the same thing, Liberal. While I don't wholeheartedly agree with BOTHPARTIES, I know where he is coming from and just doesn't want to jump on the bandwagon, at least in his own mind. He doesn't seem to be a redneck conservative or a hate-spewer. He's trying to invoke conversation, at least at first glance. I'm a progressive, but if there's one thing I hate it's a bunch of people sitting around agreeing with each other and reminding each other how right they are. It's the coffee shop problem solvers of the world who don't like to have their views challenged. I think people are coming down a little too hard on BOTHPARTIES. Just an opinion as well.

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thejoint00
Oct 16, 09 6:57 AM CDT

I like it that they equate Beck and Limbaugh to the Wizard of oz. The same wizard that motivated Dorothy to rid the land of evil, gave a brain to mindless, gave a heart to the uncaring and gave courage to the afraid. Reply

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Monjubikahn
Oct 21, 09 2:31 PM CDT

I sense the Psychology of objectification leveled at you Citrixguy. I sense Idolatry at work. Until they repent they will not do the work of proving all things. Such people will bow before a world dictator and be subjected to strong delusion because they did not love the truth. Some times it takes a jolt to get the attention of the masses. Sometimes the jolt comes in the form of what seems to be an offense. The picture is much bigger than Beck. He is just the messenger. Remember...The truth is established in the mouth of two or three witnesses. Reply

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Monjubikahn
Oct 21, 09 2:48 PM CDT

There is a saying. "Beware when people speak well of you as they did the same with the false prophets." Truth has a way of seperating you from the masses. The masses always want to try and make nature work their way. If you do not operate in accordance with the designed purpose of the universe, the laws that govern the universe will break you. I sense Dragon Breath... no peace and much anger. God does not operate this way. Beware, God is not mocked. Whatsoever a man sews he shall reap. Reply

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Monjubikahn
Oct 21, 09 3:23 PM CDT

Beware. There is only one race here. The Human race made in the image of God and destined to become very God. God is the family name. Papa don't take no mess. Where you see conflict , contention and strife you see the fingerprints of the destroyer. The fruit of the spirit of God, which is the Spirit of Truth is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, meekness , kindness, faith. There are no laws against these things. A firm understanding have all those who do the commandments. Commandments are cosmic laws that fortify nations. Break them and your nation fades into history. Reply

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