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Conservatives Rewriting 'Liberal' Bible

By Mary Papenfuss| Posted Oct 6, 09 4:48 AM CDT|

(Newser) – Even the Bible isn't conservative enough for some conservatives. The mysterious "Conservative Bible Project" aims to bring the holy book back to its right-wing "roots" by routing out muddy translation and liberal "bias." That includes no more "gender inclusive" terms that "emasculate" Christianity and rethinking liberal words like "comrade" and "peace." Economic parables should be clarified to be "free market" lessons, and hell presented as scary as ever and not "downplayed," states the conservapedia.com site.

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 4:49 AM CDT

lmfao. Reply

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bewilderbeast
Oct 6, 09 5:49 AM CDT

I'm for it. A parable of free market like "Thou shalt pay thy taxes, thee churches" would be good.

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Spudsy
Oct 6, 09 11:22 AM CDT

WHAT? Mortal men can and did write the a book claiming to be the word of god? Next thing you know they'll find out that the shroud of Turin is fake.

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Robert_Dada
Oct 6, 09 6:23 PM CDT

Stained glass windows keep the cold outside/While the hypocrites hide inside/With the lies of statues in their minds/Where the Christian religion/made them blind/Where they hide/And prey to the God/of a bitch spelled backwards is dog/Not for one race, one creed, one world/But for money/Effective/Absurd - Public Image Limited

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divetrader
Oct 7, 09 6:58 AM CDT

I am not a bible thumper, but those conservative freaks might want to rewrite Revelations before they rewrite the rest of it. 'd hate for them to painstakingly twist their way thru the whole bible only to get to the end and find out they just screwed themselves for eternity.

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riffran
Oct 6, 09 4:58 AM CDT

you mean rape is no longer unilaterally consensual intercourse..or is it still rape rape, or rape rape rape...sorry folks...political correctness and re-naming something other than what it really is so it sounds better is just plain wrong regardless of who does it..like renaming an auto accident (MVA) to MVO because it's not an accident . Accidents can be prevented it's an occurance....*It's a fricken wreck*...that kinda stuff will drive ya batty Reply

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riffran
Oct 6, 09 5:00 AM CDT

I apoligize in advance for those who are in actuallity bats and are insulted by the gross misnomer of referrring to bats real or imagined as "batty" in a negative sense...(sarcasm)..rofl

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shonangreg
Oct 6, 09 7:26 AM CDT

This is an opportunity to insinuate modern Republican thinking, quite an oxymoron these days, deep into the Bible. The Sermon on the Mount will be "The meek shall inherit a free market economy..." They better be careful, though, the Book of Revelation says that whosoever adds unto the words written in [that] book, so shall [God] add unto his life the plagues that are written in this book.

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Rob
Oct 6, 09 5:09 AM CDT

Curiouser and curiouser Reply

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MarkFL
Oct 6, 09 5:13 AM CDT

This is the funniest story ever. Must be from the Onion. Reply

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riffran
Oct 6, 09 5:25 AM CDT

well at least in this case I agree..lol...sure would be fitting wouldn't it?

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bewilderbeast
Oct 6, 09 5:47 AM CDT

Well, I dunno. I always thought the bible was bit wimpish in the real blood n guts department. A bit more roasting in hell and slaughtering your firstborn son would help sales. Oh wait, its already the world's best seller? Well then maybe it'll help up the actual readership. Y'know, people actually reading it instead of just using it to scare poor people into wars. Reply

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gabo
Oct 6, 09 6:42 AM CDT

Is this like "Have it your way"? but instead of burgers you get to tailor your religion to your specific needs? Katy bar the golden gates! Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 6:52 AM CDT

What else is new? People have been tailoring religions of their current time for their own needs for thousands of years. How do you think Christianity came about? It started with the legend of a liberal hippie Palestinian Jew named Jesus and some 100 years later someone tailored it a few ways and before you knew it the Emperor of Rome himself was Christian and then at Nicea shortly thereafter they held a meeting where they voted whether to include the Trinitarian doctrine and other specifics about the Bible within the Gospels. As if the facts of the matter could be decided by popular vote. Fast forward half a millennium to the Medieval times and the Catholics created a brand new Bible, much of it out of thin air, they left a few things out of the Bible that didn't quite sit well with Medieval ideologies of the time, added a few things here and there, hell why not? Almost everyone was illiterate at this point in time, no one would notice. Here we are 1000 years later, still using the same laughably ubiquitously fabricated and edited Medieval book based off of an almost equally guilty book of mythological proportions from 1000 years earlier in the early Iron-Age; still believing the legends in the book that was from the very beginning a work of pure fiction or a malicious political ploy.

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 6:58 AM CDT

Most of the doctrines you recognize to be Christian are likely of Pagan origin because *gasp* guess what? Someone tailored Christianity at the time of its uprising to be more compatible with the majority Pagans of the time. See, it's much easier to win over converts if, say, December 25th would still be a holiday like it was for the Pagans before Christianity. Then we have Islam, a ridiculously poorly copied version - pretty much word for word - of the Jewish and Christian texts. Adopted in the 7th century or so because, you guessed it, someone wanted to roll their own religion yet again. Sorry Muslims, an illiterate Iron Age barbarian merchant did not get divine wisdom from an angel. And then not too many years went by before there was a disagreement and - you guessed it - someone branched off and established their own sect. Here we are 1300 years later, these two Muslim groups still at each other's throats because of a disagreement about who succeeded Mohammad in the 7th century.

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Jes
Oct 6, 09 8:27 AM CDT

So essentially, the Bible is already fan fic. =p

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bewilderbeast
Oct 6, 09 8:56 AM CDT

Other dates (all dates "A.D.") when "the bible" has been amended by a-holes out to skew the world their way: * As amended 381, 431, 449, 451, 553, 680-681, 692, 754, 787, 869-870, 879-880, 1123, 1139, 1179, 1215, 1245, 1274, 1311-1312, 1341-1351, 1409, 1414-1418, 1423-1424, 1431-1445, 1512-1514, 1545-1563, 1672, 1870-1960, 1962-1965 A.D. et seq. Watch this space.

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schmidtkoff
Oct 6, 09 10:11 AM CDT

@aelius - bravo. thumbs up.

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Thinker
Oct 6, 09 7:15 AM CDT

Blessed are the rich, for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are the warmongers, for they shall see God. Rejoice when others hate you because you are rich, for your reward in Heaven shall be great. Reply

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Derni
Oct 6, 09 7:23 AM CDT

and so muck for it being "the word of God" for them-if it was they won't change it-fools- Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 7:27 AM CDT

Doesn't really matter, if it IS the word of God at the moment they certainly aren't obeying it. Pretty much nobody follows everything in there. Hell, most Christians probably don't even know Jesus was a Jewish Palestinian. Or just go to any small town in the southern United States and see people's faces turn red when you tell them that Islam sprung out of Christianity. Actually, no don't do that, 'cause someone's gonna kick your ass. Pretty much the only thing they understand about their religion is "Jesus died for mah sins, and Jesus had a gunrack!"

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Fondue
Oct 6, 09 8:27 AM CDT

Alias, I thumbed up your comment, but I wanted to tell you that you have a very narrow-minded view of the South. Yes, the people you described exist down here, but they also exist near you and everyone else. What I find ironic are the people that do believe in this free market crap and Jesus Christ. Jesus and his Father are the ultimate Socialists when you think about all that's "good" about the Bible. Perhaps that is the real motive here. Notice they want to do away with the "liberal" elements. Personally, it should have never been altered so that maybe it would have been easier to show all of what's bad about it long ago. And here's a thought, what if those who made it "liberal" where just doing the same thing the early Christians did to make it more acceptable to the masses of the time?

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 9:15 AM CDT

Of course not everyone in the south is like that and there are also people like that elsewhere. So? It's more prevalent in the South, and there are always exceptions to any generalisation. That's what makes them generalisations and not rules.

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Fondue
Oct 6, 09 9:33 AM CDT

So? Do you have statistics I could look at that verify that it is more prevalent in the South? Last I looked, there are small towns in every state and every country. And, you didn't exactly generalize. You said "any" small town in the south. Definition of any: One, some, every, or all without specification. To generalize you might have said "most, many, more often than not" etc.

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 9:44 AM CDT

Because I mean what I say about any small town in the South. I would be visibly surprised if I was informed of a town in the south without unintelligent Christians. This is of course true of ANY congregation of such proportions, whether a town, city, large building. Which is why the focus of my comment was on the unintelligent Christian, not the town. And yes, the South has demonstrably dumber Christians. Anecdotally, first of all, ask pretty much anyone who visits the South for the first time and they'll recognize this fact. Secondly, the Southern states have a much lower IQ than the other states; lower literacy; lower ranks in science/math/English; lower school performance; lower student performance; FAR less belief in evolution and other basic scientific facts; lower income; higher church attendance; higher racism; higher reported rate of religion's importance in everyday life; more firearms per capita; more death from firearms; etc. etc. etc.

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schmidtkoff
Oct 6, 09 10:37 AM CDT

summerville, sc - pop. roughly 48,00+, 2008. places of worship 84+ and still counting. i think the good religious folk of summerville would revolt.

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divetrader
Oct 6, 09 7:27 AM CDT

Next thing you know they will rewrite Scientology. That is a sure sign of Armageddon. Reply

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Pragmaticrealism
Oct 6, 09 7:50 AM CDT

Jesus Christ, they might edit out the part about Jesus Christ being a good person. Reply

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opheliaglass
Oct 6, 09 8:21 AM CDT

Ooh! And make sure to use the word "faggot", and in those places where genocide has been recorded in the Old Testament, they ought to refer to those people as "hajis", and "woman" needs to somehow be spelled so that you get an h before the w, like "hhhwoman"... Palin 2012!!! Reply

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bewilderbeast
Oct 6, 09 9:58 AM CDT

Palin!! With Jesus as a running mate. Then we'll have Jesus, VICE president.

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 10:04 AM CDT

Funny thing is, there's no way Jesus would win politically in the U.S. How many right-wingers are going to vote for an unmarried liberal Jew who's from the Middle East, has 12 boyfriends and looks like a goddamn hippy? The Fox network would CRUCIFY him. If he hadn't already been arrested as a terrorist. No, I think the United States is still a little to Christian for Jesus.

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luvroks
Oct 6, 09 8:39 AM CDT

i think this is a piece of satire..but then again i think religion is major satire too so it just goes to show that once something appears on the internet it can take on a life of its own. really..how does one group 'rewrite' the bible with so many copies already out there? and wouldnt the pope and the vatican have something to say about another group crossing into their territory, after all its the vatican that decides what is fit and not fit to put in the bible. Reply

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my-name-here
Oct 6, 09 9:06 AM CDT

@ luv, Regarding the Pope, yes the vatican decides...for Catholics. Protestents, no. And this is an American protestant movement. Check these links to get a better idea. http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project ---and this is on some of the differences--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reformation -- But I agree, satire.

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bewilderbeast
Oct 6, 09 9:24 AM CDT

You got it wrong, luvvie. You can write your own bible, start your own church, delude your own people - and it's all TAX-FREE! The pope hating you can be spun as a big plus. (The vatican, by the way spends more time on what to put into children, rather than into the bible).

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piyrwq
Oct 6, 09 10:07 AM CDT

"peace" is liberal ideal? Any conservative out there care to comment on this? Reply

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emptycalm
Oct 6, 09 10:35 AM CDT

Historically they are more peaceful. More violence has been raged in the name of conservative america than liberal america. Not to say they are devoid of violence and aggression but they aren't as bad.

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LoudProudLib
Oct 6, 09 5:12 PM CDT

Oh gosh, I wish I had said that! That had to hit a conservative right in the jewels! 2 thumbs up!

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 10:22 AM CDT

God, Jesus Christ, The Holy Spirit, are not interested in your political correctness. If you are offended by what it says then you are in denial about your lifestyle.. And regardless of what anybody on this planet believes it will never change the TRUTH!!! Judgement will come and if you are so arrogant and blind to believe otherwise just wait.. 2Pe 3:1 ¶ This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in [both] which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2Pe 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation. 2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 10:35 AM CDT

Notice the theist's behaviour in its natural habitat. When left on its own, the theist tends to associate only with other theists of its own species. When provoked by non-theists, or by another species of theists, notice how it reacts offensively. The theist has evolved an effective defense mechanism against potential threats; it spouts Bible verses repeatedly and with excruciatingly repetitive fervor. This defense is impervious to reason, making it an excellent mechanism for survival as it need not be held to the same standards of reason and logic that others would be. When others are left unshaken by its primary defense, the theist then invokes one of two options. First, depending on the threat, the theist may perceive a weakness in the enemy and call upon other theists - even theists of a different species if it comes to it - to overwhelm by ad nauseum regurgitation of scripture. If this fails, or if the theist does not deem it a viable alternative, the theist's last resort is to flee. The theist is exceptionally adept at aversion, evasion, subterfuge, stealth and concealment. When defeated, the theist seldom returns back to the cite of its defeat. This concludes the Discovery Channel's exclusive look at the theistic species.

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emptycalm
Oct 6, 09 10:39 AM CDT

You shouldn't use fiction to explain how reality works. Plus I think it's very wrong and rude to exclaim your religious beliefs as TRUTH. Religion is more speculative than some of the wonkiest scientific theories but at least science has the decency to label them as theory and not truth.

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AClotfelter
Oct 6, 09 10:31 AM CDT

We all laugh, but this is how shit like this gets started... 50, 100, 200, 1000 years from now, people won't sill remember that ths shit was "rewritten" to fit some bullshit agenda, just as it isn't widely remembered that the current version was "editied" seveal times, and bydifferent religions..... Reply

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methusos
Oct 6, 09 10:41 AM CDT

scripture4all.org Reply

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 10:52 AM CDT

What's really funny is that people are too lazy and ignorant to look up and research historical and archeological facts that back up what is written in the Bible.. Or the ability to discern what is credible to what is not.. Merely expressing your baseless opinions with the inability to accept reality, or fact does not change what is reality or fact.. Wow Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 11:01 AM CDT

Really? Archeological and historical facts that back up the Bible? I guess you mean EXCEPT for the lack of archeological/historical evidence for the Exodus; the Flood; Hebrew enslavement; the Egyptian plagues; tens of thousands of people wandering a fucking desert for 40 years; Jesus' miracles; mass language confusion from the tower of Babel; people living to 800+, young-Earth creationism AND not just lack of evidence, but evidence to the contrary for many of those things. In fact, for many Biblical accounts of history we KNOW for a FACT they did not happen due to physical impossibilities and lack of evidence where they WOULD be evidence if it were true. If you have information no one else does, please, part with it. This would go down in the books as one of the most amazing discoveries in all of history. But alas, you wouldn't be the first one to attempt to do so. Nor will you be the last one to fail.

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 11:04 AM CDT

And Aelius28, you appear to believe that you are so intelligent.. Why is that science can't even come close to creating anything as complex as DNA but you will say that DNA wasn't created but ultimately evolved from nothing. That is illogical. Just look thru any crdible resources you can find starting with 2009 and trace back the History of man and find out where it leads you. You will be astonsihed.. Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 11:11 AM CDT

You do realize that 99.98% of all Earth and Life scientists accept the fact of evolution, right? And we DO know how DNA evolved, or at least one way it could have. We've also created life in the laboratory. Yes, you read that correctly; it's called the Urrey/Miller experiment, and they created life in a lab. Did life evolve this way on Earth? Probably not, but what the experiment does show is that life CAN evolve from non-life. And even if we didn't know how life arose, that says nothing about evolution. Evolution only concerns life when it's here it's not a theory meant to deal with the origin of life. That theory is called abiogenesis, and just a few hours ago 3 American scientists were awarded a Nobel Prize in the field for work regarding the early stages of DNA. If you trace human history back, you're going to get to about 250,000 years. At that point, we're no longer really humans but more basal primates ancestral to ourselves and many dozens of now extinct species. Seriously, you have what, a high school education? Maybe college. And you seriously think that you're smarter than 99.98% of all scientists who went to school for 8 years SPECIFICALLY to work with Earth and Life sciences? You've got to be fucking crazy. That's like taking your damaged car to a mechanic only to be informed that you have an oil leak. But you don't believe him, even though he is an expert, so you go to another mechanic. He says the same thing, in fact he shows you the oil leak and says "Look, damnit! See, it's leaking right there!". But you don't believe him, so you go to 250,000 other car mechanics and 99.98% of them tell you the same fucking thing but you just... don't... get... it. That really is how fucking retarded your stance on evolution is. It really is, without exaggeration, as ridiculous as the above scenario with the car mechanics.

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LoudProudLib
Oct 6, 09 5:20 PM CDT

You gotta admit Patriot, you do not have any archealogical evidence to back up any of your claims. And I dont remember any mriacles being recorded over the last say....oh...2000 years. Just because you need and want to believe in fairy tales does not make them any more true. I have no problem with religion, But it needs to stay in your mouth within your house, within your church and out of my face, out of my schools and out of my way. But if you will accept Islam, Judaism, Buddism, Atheism as being every bit as legitament then I will accept yours as being just as worthy. But unless Islam and other religions can be taught in schools and Koran quotes posted on in Federal Buildings and courts like christian quotes I suggest you let it go.

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MarkFL
Oct 6, 09 11:49 PM CDT

Patriot, you just have to stop being an imbecile. You are trying to convince us that there is archeological and scientific evidence for God and the Bible. The more you say it does not make it credible. The way it works is that you actually have to say what that evidence is. Remember also that it is the extraordinary claims that require extraordinary evidence. And it is the fanciful supernatural claims that matter when it comes to your faith. Supernaturalism is absurd. Stop pretending that you have some sort of thought process behind your beliefs. It is the height of hypocrisy for you to call us lazy. Your argument is the laziest of all. Try again, but this time think!

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schmidtkoff
Oct 6, 09 11:09 AM CDT

the bottom line is the conservs like to rewrite history and distort just about everything. in order to fit it into their insignificant and increasingly diminishing importance. they must rewrite history to validate their outmoded beliefs. and if that includes the bible well, so be it. what a joke. i agree dr. imfao.. Reply

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 11:10 AM CDT

You say EXCEPT but there is plenty of documented evidence regarding such things... All you have to do is look... Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 11:15 AM CDT

I can say "There really IS evidence for Santa Clause, it's all documented and you're the one being stubborn and arrogant. All you have to do is look". But it doesn't exactly qualify as a legitimate defense. Now, you can parrot that line all you want but people who have looked into it will tell you you're full of shit. So, present some direct sources for your supposed evidence, or you're not better than the child who insists Santa exists and that there's documented evidence around, you just have to look for it.

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LoudProudLib
Oct 6, 09 5:21 PM CDT

Where do we look?

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 11:25 AM CDT

Look dude... You can beat around the bush all you want but the more you opinionate the more idiotic you sound... I could give you the proof on a silver platter and you will still deny it... You don't want to find it because you are scared of finding it... The true story of Santa Claus begins with Nicholas, who was born during the third century in the village of Patara. At the time the area was Greek and is now on the southern coast of Turkey. His wealthy parents, who raised him to be a devout Christian, died in an epidemic while Nicholas was still young. Obeying Jesus' words to "sell what you own and give the money to the poor," Nicholas used his whole inheritance to assist the needy, the sick, and the suffering. He dedicated his life to serving God and was made Bishop of Myra while still a young man. Bishop Nicholas became known throughout the land for his generosity to the those in need, his love for children, and his concern for sailors and ships. Under the Roman Emperor Diocletian, who ruthlessly persecuted Christians, Bishop Nicholas suffered for his faith, was exiled and imprisoned. The prisons were so full of bishops, priests, and deacons, there was no room for the real criminals—murderers, thieves and robbers. After his release, Nicholas attended the Council of Nicaea in AD 325. He died December 6, AD 343 in Myra and was buried in his cathedral church, where a unique relic, called manna, formed in his grave. This liquid substance, said to have healing powers, fostered the growth of devotion to Nicholas. The anniversary of his death became a day of celebration, St. Nicholas Day. Through the centuries many stories and legends have been told of St. Nicholas' life and deeds. These accounts help us understand his extraordinary character and why he is so beloved and revered as protector and helper of those in need. Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 11:34 AM CDT

Santa Clause was based off of a real person, yes, but the modern concept of an old jolly man riding around the sky dropping down chimneys every year millions of time in one night undetected is not a reality. To a child though, it is a reality. When you say that there is archaeological/historical evidence for Biblical accounts and when you don't present that evidence but insist that it's there and that I'll just deny it if I hear it, how are you any different than a child who insists Santa Clause is real and when pressed for evidence he ignores the requests and brushes it off with "I could show you but you won't believe it anyway". It's no different, and you know it. You don't have any evidence, because if you did you'd be throwing it at me in all directions - just like you do with scripture.

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Pragmaticrealism
Oct 6, 09 2:42 PM CDT

LOL @ patriot

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Snarfeh
Oct 6, 09 9:06 PM CDT

Well, I'm sure he would be pleased to know his love for children was carried on by the Catholic Church.....

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MarkFL
Oct 6, 09 11:55 PM CDT

Patriot, if you look at the logic that you have selectively used here and applied it to your other supernatural beliefs, you will find that all of the other hogwash that constitutes your faith can be explained by examining the motivations and assumptions of the real people involved. Even if you believe in manna from heaven, i doubt that you think Santa Claus is bringing you presents in his sleigh. If you can dismiss that supernatural child's play, you can dismiss the rest of it too, on the same grounds.

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 11:37 AM CDT

If you found a clock and examined the mechanism within it, you would probably think that this intricate mechanism was not the outcome of mere chance, that it had been designed. Now look at the universe; is it possible that such an intricate mechanism, from the orbits of planets round the sun to the cells in your fingernails could all have happened by chance? Surely, this enormously complex mechanism has been designed, and the being that designed it must be God. Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 11:38 AM CDT

Oh no you don't, I'll address that argument from design after you address my previous rebuttals. I won't let you just slip away from your outlandish claim that Biblical stories have historical and archaeological merit. Go back now, finish what you started, then we can move on to the argument from design.

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MarkFL
Oct 7, 09 12:14 AM CDT

Show me the natural equivalent of the clock! Not the eye! not the bacterial flagellum! Not the scenic mountain range! All of these appear evolved not designed. If God designed the eye why did he do it exactly the way that evolution would do it- gradually and with many insurmountable problems? Why does the eye suck in so many respects? It is painful, requires constant blinking, doesn't see very well for everyone (and Christians do not have better eyesight by the way), requires corrective lenses, laser surgery (lasers and glasses are designed by people to work and if they don't work we get a refund or a lawsuit). Eyes work for each animal the way that natural selection makes them work. No magic. If the space wizard made the eye, he is not all powerful, he is not even very good at designing things, he is exceedingly inefficient, or he is actually cruel for having the ability to design a better eye and not doing it.

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 11:39 AM CDT

The Flood - Physical Evidences The Flood "myth" is not just some ancient allegory meant to teach us about God's judgment on sin. The Flood was a real historical event and earth's crust bears witness to this in many compelling ways. Consider the fossil record: billions of dead things buried in sedimentation ("laid-down-by-water rock") found all over the earth. Geologist Dr. John Morris explains, "Sedimentary rocks, by definition, are laid down as sediments by moving fluids, are made up of pieces of rock or other material which existed somewhere else, and were eroded or dissolved and redeposited in their present location." [1] Over 70% of the earth's surface rock is sedimentary rock (the rest of earth's surface rock is volcanic igneous and metamorphic rock). In these sedimentary rock layers, geologists find some very odd features. For example, fossilized trees buried at all angles, upside-down and right-side-up, often passing through multiple rock layers, obviously the result of a marine cataclysm. These "polystrate" fossils (poly, meaning more than one; strate, meaning rock layer) are a worldwide phenomenon. Consider the ratios of dead things we find buried in this sedimentary rock: "95% of all fossils are marine invertebrates, particularly shellfish. Of the remaining 5%, 95% are algae and plant fossils (4.74%). 95% of the remaining 0.25% consists of the other invertebrates, including insects (0.2375%). The remaining 0.0125% includes all vertebrates, mostly fish. 95% of the few land vertebrates consist of less than one bone. (For example, only about 1,200 dinosaur skeletons have been found.)" [2] Also consider the abundant fossil remains of marine life found atop every mountain range in the world. For example, clusters of hundreds of gigantic (300kg/650lbs) oysters found atop the Andes Mountains in South America Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 11:42 AM CDT

Old. Read here. http://talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/trees.html Next.

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PosterNutbag
Oct 6, 09 1:50 PM CDT

I was waiting for you to say, 'and all the sedimentary rocks in the world with fossilized dead things buried therein can be dated to the same time period, the time of The Great Flood.' Dude, you left me hanging.

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MarkFL
Oct 7, 09 12:03 AM CDT

Moron alert! Since the earth is covered with rock, we would be able to see direct evidence of a world wide flood as you have described. We do not see any evidence for it. Why don't you scrutinize the rest of it? How big of a boat would you need to gather all of the animals two by two (thousands of species)? How did Noah get carnivores to sit quietly on the boat with ample meals sitting in front of them? How long did it take Noah to actually gather up these animals two by two (jumping continents, collecting insects, birds, even viruses?)? How did Noah physically build a craft capable of holding thousands of tons? Oh I forgot... God did it. Right? The "evidence" that you have posted above is incorrect by the way, please try again.

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 11:43 AM CDT

http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/doctrine/redseacrossing.html Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 11:49 AM CDT

Unreferenced nonsense from a theistic site. It does not have any support by historical or archaeological experts. *Sigh* Look, you don't understand the process behind the scientific method; you can't just present any guy's blog as evidence and declare victory. You need reliable sources from people in the relevant field.

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 11:57 AM CDT

That's right... A relevant field... Agnostic and Aethiest scientists aren't out to discern the truth. They are out to misrepresent it so their Grant funds keep rolling in... Did you know with all the natural common sense proof of creation surrounding you everyday that it takes more faith to not believe in God than it does to believe in God.

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 12:02 PM CDT

Most scientists are not atheists, and they wouldn't be scientists if they weren't out to discern the truth. They get grant funds no matter what they work on. In fact, if they were in it for the money they WOULD be trying to prove the claims in the Bible. If someone had evidence that Biblical claims might be true, THAT'S where the money's at. That's where the grants will come flowing in; scientists would push and shove for the opportunity to investigate this matter if there was ever an opening.

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Krystle
Oct 6, 09 11:44 AM CDT

How anyone can still claim the bible is the direct word of a god and never rewritten or mistranslated is beyond me. Reply

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 11:53 AM CDT

Which bible are you referring to that has been mistranslated Krystle???

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Krystle
Oct 6, 09 12:01 PM CDT

Obviously all of them since there are so many. If it was the direct word of a god and there were never any mistakes made over the years in translation or by editing/adding, there would still be only one copy.

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oneworld
Oct 6, 09 12:33 PM CDT

may I recommend a book: Misquoting Jesus - The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why. I think it's safe to say that Patriot would not touch THIS book.

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 12:39 PM CDT

Yeah, it's a very good book. Pretty much anything by Bart Ehrman is a good investment. He came out with another one recently, "Jesus Interrupted".

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 12:44 PM CDT

"Most of Misquoting Jesus is actually a very readable, accurate distillation of many of the most important facts about the nature and history of textual criticism, presented in a lively and interesting narrative that will keep scholarly and lay interest alike."[15] Blomberg also wrote that Ehrman "has rejected his evangelicalism and whether he is writing on the history of the transmission of the biblical text, focusing on all the changes that scribes made over the centuries, or on the so-called 'lost gospels' and 'lost Christianities,' trying to rehabilitate our appreciation for Gnosticism, it is clear that he has an axe to grind."[15]

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 11:48 AM CDT

Sorry but your link only accounts for what could happen to a tree but doesn't account for all trees nor does it account for everything else... Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 11:55 AM CDT

Well, it does, but any way Wikipedia could probably explain it in easier terms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polystrate_fossil The fact of the matter is, this idea hasn't been presented in scientific circles since the 1800s, and even then it was easily explained. There's a reason people with years of education and decades of experience don't take any of this seriously. Because it's nonsense, and it's always been nonsense. If it wasn't, it would remain as a valid topic for discussion in scientific circles, but it doesn't.

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 11:59 AM CDT

You said it yourself " Unreferenced nonsense".. Anybody can post to Wikipedia

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 12:01 PM CDT

Yes, and if it's nonsense it's taken off. You're looking for a cheap escape here, nice try but anyone who's not an old grandma who doesn't understand the workings of Wikipedia knows that Wikipedia IS referenced. Look at the bottom of the page for references. But you already knew that, didn't you :)

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 11:52 AM CDT

Which bible are you referring to that has been mistranslated Krystle??? Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 11:59 AM CDT

Uhh, all of them? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_translations You do realize the earliest Biblical manuscripts were in Greek, right? Not English. English versions of the Bible only came around in the last few hundred years. And all of the versions of the Bible that you know of, including King James, New International Version, New Revised Standard etc. are all based off of a Bible translated in the Medieval Times, a thousand years after Jesus' time. And this Bible wasn't even completely accurately translated because after a thousand years the original manuscripts were lost, so much of it was just filled in with little better than guesswork. You know so little about the book you claim to be the word of a god it's laughable.

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 12:09 PM CDT

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibleorigin.html#eppTrv8FWxQc

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 12:16 PM CDT

That's actually a surprisingly accurate page. Which is like calling a particular gas station "cheap", it's all relative. But the fact that you posted it as if it favoured your side of the argument goes to show how bereft of Biblical knowledge and historical reliability you are. You do realize that - according to the page YOU linked - it had been several generations before the earliest manuscripts were written? That means that someone who was living in the time of Jesus would be an old great-grandfather, if it wasn't simply dead, to the people who ended up writing the earliest manuscripts. And the earliest manuscripts we have are little snippets of one or two, maybe three, verses mangled in a barely intelligible mess of papyrus. We don't get to FULL chapters for over a fucking CENTURY after Jesus. And even then, many of these were discovered much later than the authors of later Biblical compilations who would not have had these at their disposal.

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 12:17 PM CDT

We can go back and forth all day.. I know I can't make you believe.. I have faith because I ask God for wisdom and because he has opened my eyes... Do you have a conscience?? Does your conscience tell you what is right and wrong in your own heart... Even though you choose to follow your conscience or not is exactly because of the freewill that has been instilled in us.. Evolution cannot discern between right and wrong.. Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 12:23 PM CDT

Yes, evolution can discern between right and wrong. A group of people who cooperate with each other, help each other out and don't kill and rape each other are more likely to survive than a group of people who do those things and end up killing themselves. You can make me believe, you just need to present overwhelming evidence for your case. If you did, everyone in the world would believe it. But as it happens, 2/3rds of the world's population do not believe in Christianity, for the same reason you don't believe in Islam. You were born in a Christian country raised by Christian parents. If you had been born in Pakistan, you'd be believing in Mohammad. If you were born in Denmark at the time of the Vikings you'd be believing in Wotan and Thor. If you had been born in Africa you'd be believing in the great Juju up the mountain. It's just by the sheerest accident of birth that you happen to have been brought up in a Christian family. If you were a part of ANY of those other religions, you could say the same thing about them. You could say that the god of those religions gives you wisdom and has opened your eyes.

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 12:23 PM CDT

God is the creator of the Universe.. A never ending infinate space that is absolutley incromprehensible to our measly minds.. God can do what he wants, when he wants, from whatever means he sees fit in order to fulfill his purpose. If science is such a Great Authority then why is the world worse off now than it has ever been? Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 12:26 PM CDT

You think the world is worse off now than it has ever been? I don't even know where to start. Uhh, medicine? You have any idea how many tens of millions of lives are saved every year because of medicine (come about through science... BY the WAY). Food. We genetically modify food so we can mass-produce it so tens of millions more people don't die every year from hunger. We have laws and law-enforcement, to ensure you don't get shot in the street or have your house looted while you're out. We have everyday things that are just pure modern convenience. Your computer, car, clothes, appliances, hygienic products, telephone, television, all of these scientific advancements make your life easy. You say God is the creator of the Universe. I say Gus the Magic Cosmic Hippo created the Universe. Stalemate.

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oneworld
Oct 6, 09 12:39 PM CDT

apparently, this supernatural idea of yours is a 'he.'

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emptycalm
Oct 6, 09 2:26 PM CDT

http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pinker_on_the_myth_of_violence.html

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MarkFL
Oct 7, 09 12:21 AM CDT

Actually, Gus the Magic Hippo has even more evidence than God. Both have a chance of being correct at a probability of 1 in infinity. But, Hippos are awesome so Gus wins.

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 12:39 PM CDT

Sorry, I was not raised in a Christian family nor did I go to a Christian school.. As a matter of fact I have done too many shameful and dispicable things in my life even to the point of suicide. I don't attend Church regularly because most of the Churches these days are just as lost as unbelievers. I didn't have the opportunities to go to college and I experienced a lifetime of hardship. I found God and Jesus on my own accord, I have learn to discern the truth and I don't deny what is undeniable. There are causes on both sides of the spectrum but you really have to be open minded to reality and not propaganda.. Just the evidence of the universe, nature, man... The History of man can be traced back and it only goes back about 6000 years.. Besides, doesn't it just go against common sense that Evolution claims millions or billions of years but it was not even 20 years ago that we didn't have this internet??? Or thatt cars are only around 100 years old... Or that it was only in the 1946 that the TV was invented... I'm sorry but the defies any logic.. Reply

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oneworld
Oct 6, 09 12:51 PM CDT

Wow, 6000 years? ha. You really are uneducated. I don't typically just recommend books, but Bill Bryson's the A Short History of Nearly Everything is easy to read and may (although doubtful) enlighten you.

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Pragmaticrealism
Oct 6, 09 2:49 PM CDT

If you had gone to a Christian school, you would likely be an atheist.

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 12:49 PM CDT

The supernatural idea is not mine.. And yes He.. Not She or It but He... Get over it Reply

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oneworld
Oct 6, 09 12:54 PM CDT

It is YOURS. Didn't know your god had balls.

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 1:03 PM CDT

You can dwell on that comment.. I doubt anything you do could enlighten me.. You're just a lost souless minion without hope..

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Pragmaticrealism
Oct 6, 09 2:50 PM CDT

AND YOUR SOOOO SPECIAL TO GOD, Patriot. I wish I had a soul!! REALLY?????

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Patriot2009
Oct 6, 09 12:58 PM CDT

No stalemate... I guess you haven't read about the famines in Africa or South America.. I guess you haven't read about the the millions of babies murdered each year for the sake of a money market.. That last time I looked there was a Swine Flu pandemic threatening the world... And the threat of war looms daily... I also recall that California is on the verge of Bankruptcy "NOT TO MENTION OUR NATION" and they are about to release 40000 criminals because of overpopulation which is the story across the country... Lets see, drug addiction, obesity, and gang activity are running rampid, immorality is now being perceived as moral,,, the threat of Global warming or cooling is looming and with the combination of the polar shift of the sun coinciding with a polar shift on the earth in 2012(NASA) that could worlwide devastation,, Not to mention the severity of today's Hurricanes, Cyclones, Tornadoes, earthquakes, and tsunamis... Yea I would say science is right on top of things.... NOT Reply

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emptycalm
Oct 6, 09 2:30 PM CDT

again so maybe you see it.... http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pinker_on_the_myth_of_violence.html

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Pragmaticrealism
Oct 6, 09 2:51 PM CDT

Polar shift of the SUN?!?!?!?! hahhaha

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MarkFL
Oct 7, 09 12:37 AM CDT

Patriot, this is the worst possible reason to believe in God. If your all powerful space wizard created this world then you should be cursing him. He must be the most incompetent fool or vicious beast ever. Perhaps you believe like many of your ilk that God is good and Satan or gog and magog are inflicting evil on the world. If that is the case, how do you know that Satan isn't tricking you into reading the Bible and believing it? If you think that natural disasters are caused by skyboy, why would you praise and dedicate yourself to him?Hurricanes do not appear to be designed! It was you that claimed that things made by God appear designed. Now why would your beautiful God intentionally cause worldwide devastation in 2012? What an asshole! If he is real, I wouldn't even facebook friend him. He doesn't even have the power to punish the people who are actually sinning against him. Therefore I am not afraid of him. He doesn't strike down blasphemers like me. He send random events to random places creating an extremely low probability that I would suffer his wrath. The threat of war looms daily? That is seriously your argument that the world is different. May i remind you of every other war in the history of civilization. May I remind you that all current warfare have a significant religious component that makes all of these conflicts intractable and unnecessary? Being an atheist has been kind to me and to the rest of the world. God has never shown his face or left any evidence for his existence. If you are it Patriot, God is in big trouble.

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Patriot2009
Oct 7, 09 9:47 AM CDT

February 15, 2001 -- You can't tell by looking, but scientists say the Sun has just undergone an important change. Our star's magnetic field has flipped. The Sun's magnetic north pole, which was in the northern hemisphere just a few months ago, now points south. It's a topsy-turvy situation, but not an unexpected one. "This always happens around the time of solar maximum," says David Hathaway, a solar physicist at the Marshall Space Flight Center. "The magnetic poles exchange places at the peak of the sunspot cycle. In fact, it's a good indication that Solar Max is really here." Sign up for EXPRESS SCIENCE NEWS delivery Above: Sunspot counts, plotted here against an x-ray image of the Sun, are nearing their maximum for the current solar cycle. [more information] The Sun's magnetic poles will remain as they are now, with the north magnetic pole pointing through the Sun's southern hemisphere, until the year 2012 when they will reverse again. This transition happens, as far as we know, at the peak of every 11-year sunspot cycle -- like clockwork. Earth’s magnetic field also flips, but with less regularity. Consecutive reversals are spaced 5 thousand years to 50 million years apart. The last reversal happened 740,000 years ago. Some researchers think our planet is overdue for another one, but nobody knows exactly when the next reversal might occur. Nasa.gov Pragmaticrealism MarkFL- If you are in such denial to believe that everything came from nothing you surley drank the Kool-Aid... If it is impossible for something as insignificant as paper clip to appear out of nothing how then can you possibly argue that the infinity of Space, The different Galaxies, the precise alignment of our universe, Life itself, Human, Animal, Plants could ever come from nothing... It is impossible... Believe what you will but ultimately one day you and I both will know the truth... And probably sooner than you think...

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Cprizzle
Oct 6, 09 1:34 PM CDT

I'll say, this seems rather stupid. Reply

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mikech
Oct 6, 09 1:42 PM CDT

So the KJV, written nearly 500 years ago, was authored by liberals as it contains a liberal bias? Reply

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SBS
Oct 6, 09 5:59 PM CDT

Wow. Blown away by this discourse. Kudos to both sides. Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 8, 09 3:33 AM CDT

@newsermandan, you can say we're closed-minded all you want but that won't get you anywhere any more than it would if I said that YOU were closed-minded. I believe that's true, but I don't mention it because it's a baseless assertion. Extend the same courtesy, baseless assertions are annoying to sift through. Now, as for Jesus, I don't think there is sufficient reliable historical evidence to support the existence of Jesus. BUT, I'm willing to grant that he existed for the sake of argument. If he existed, he was very likely a Jewish preacher, probably a decent guy, had a bit of a temper problem but who's perfect? Do I think he died on a cross? No, again I fail to see sufficient reliable historical evidence but I'm willing to grant it for the sake of argument since it's not far-fetched and it's not particularly important. Why did he die? Because the Jews chose to have him crucified, if we believe the Biblical story. It doesn't really matter why he died, the point is that you're trying to lead up to the point where you say "See, Jesus died for your sins and therefore he did these miracles and all these wonderful things and was born to a virgin and is the son of God". That's where you get me, and most other atheists, proverbially rofl-ing because it's such an extraordinary claim and has a lack of evidence where we would EXPECT there to BE evidence. I mean, if we had a guy walking on water, healing the sick, feeding the masses... he was nailed to a plank and came back to LIFE, he should have been the talk of the desert. But the earliest references we have are from GENERATIONS after he lived, and we only get full Bible chapters over a CENTURY after he lived, so they're not contemporary by any means he was well beyond legendary status at that point. The whole thing is just laughably unsupported by archaeology and history and from a logical point of view it almost hurts to wrap one's mind around the fallacies necessary to get from "Jesus existed" to "Jesus died for your sins, did wonderful things like miracles, was born to a virgin, died on a cross for YOUR sins that you're guilty of because of two people who lived 6000 years ago in a magic garden did what their human nature dictated and were curious people, so accept Jesus or burn in hell". It's INSANE.

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newsrmandan
Oct 11, 09 2:35 AM CDT

A28 this is probably a cold posting by now but, if you will for the sake of argument allow that Jesus existed, you say he may have had anger issue and probably Jewish Preacher of sorts, then you also have to admit that, as just a preacher, he was the biggest whack job ever to have existed. Worse whack job than Jim Jones or Manson insert your favorite televangelist here______. Why? because he claimed to be God. This I suspect you know is the highest of Jewish offenses and thus the cross. Now I will admit that there is not tun of extra biblical references to this man Jesus. But that does not mean there aren't any. So Jesus, if not King of the Universe, like he claimed to be, is the devil of hell (worse if there is no devil or Hell which would be logical if the accounts of scriptures were just fables of men), and the jewish leaders were right to kill him. He was the talk of the dessert, but to find first hand accounts by the mother of the Kid who brought the fish and loaves is asking a tad to much of her resources if she had any. The Bible lays out the leap from death of christ to payment for sins. That actually is the point of the whole book of the bible both Old and New. The Gospel !! You seen it before, John 3: 16 For God love the world that he gave his son so that the one that believes in him will not suffer but have eternal life. When I believe the bible I believe all of it, creation to water walking to wine making to raising dead to paying for my sins, I am not being unreasonable or insane I am simply putting my faith and trust in the one who says he created this world and the one who,in the same story, says he's coming back for those who trust in him. So why am I being called insane? I am, if it is not true but so far you have not "proven" it not to be true. The burden falls on the unbeliever not me. Why don't you believe the simple explanation is a complicated one any more reasonable or logical or sane? Insane is putting your hope that when you die you become worm food, nihilistically escaping the wrath of God in hell.

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newsrmandan
Oct 7, 09 12:45 PM CDT

couldn't help but mention to those of you who are going mano a mano on this one. When it comes to the bible those that don't believe it can't because there hearts and minds have been closed to it. In the Exodus account we see that the pharaoh who know not Joseph ( by the way they just found some coins from Egypt with Josephs name on it for those interested in archeological evidence to align with the biblical story) Hardened his heart to not let the Israelite people go. Then later we see that his heart was hardened by God. So the questions is who did it, God or Pharaoh? The answer of course is that both did it. God allowed for the hardening of Pharaoh's heart so that He could show his people that He was their deliverer, not themselves. That story is in part a revelation of what our redemption is like. It will be all and totally on the part of God. Move forward many hundreds of years to the life of Christ, for told in the book of Isiah chapter 53. We have a story here of a man who has done no wrong but is punished. That man was ( and is ) the Historical Jesus Christ. Which leads me to the end. @Arielus28 and MarkFL ... what do you make of Jesus did he exist? before you answer that understand that from a historical perspective its difficult to refute that he existed. If you agree with most of history, that he existed, then did he die on a Cross? If he did not then maybe you can shed some historical light if he did then you have to release your grip against the bibles account. If he existed and died via a cross then why did he die? Ok ok you want me to go away and shut up and keep my wacko beliefs to myself in my closet or somewhere tighter just keep out of shoving my beliefs down your throats. If you really want to know if the bible is true and therefore has any relevance in your life than start with Jesus Christ and work backwards, or otherwise know that just like pharaoh God may be shutting your mind/heart for a grander purpose.... HIs glory. But also realize that he may be using the foolish arguments of ignorant fools like me to open your eyes....again for his glory. You see either way its his glory. Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 8, 09 3:33 AM CDT

Son of a bitch, sorry, I replied to the wrong post. Look one post above yours here, I respond to you.

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Gypsy5
Oct 7, 09 1:17 PM CDT

The Bible was written by human beings from doctrine written by human beings, in an ancient Hebrew language. When the Bible was created it was translated by a priest three hundred years after the Language was used. Even the most proficient translater makes mistakes and sometimes come across translations they don't understand. They do what man does, they improvise or try to come up with what they believe was the proper translation, especially one that will suit the needs of the Church and State. Many a century the Bible was used as a means to comform the followers of Kings and Church. Sometimes they GET IT WRONG, especially when a text is worded as the Holy Doctrines were. The Bible is very difficult book to read and understand and there is much room for error. After all, the Bible is a doctrine fueled by faith in an Almighty Being, and Faith is fueled by a BELIEF SYSTEM. A Belief system is a choice made by humans it is not a part of the Human DNA. Beliefs change, or have flaws so it is a possibility our Precious Holy Doctrines (of all Beliefs) are subject to flaws. Believing in right and wrong does not need a written instruction manual. Reply

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