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Apple Quits US Chamber, Slams Climate Stance

Computer giant goes with outward flow over lobbyist's climate position

By Harry Kimball| Posted Oct 6, 09 11:31 AM CDT|

(Newser) – Apple has joined a growing list of companies to ditch the US Chamber of Commerce over its skeptical view of climate change. “We strongly object to the Chamber’s recent comments” calling for a “Scopes Monkey Trial for the 21st century” to expose climate change fallacies, says a company statement. Big energy concerns such as Exelon and Pacific Gas have done the same, and Nike resigned its spot on the group's board last week, notes Politico.

“Apple supports regulating greenhouse gas emissions, and it is frustrating to find the Chamber at odds with us in this effort," wrote an Apple exec.

The United States Chamber of Commerce building in Washington. (AP Photo)

Apple Computer Inc. CEO Steve Jobs. (AP Photo)

Bruce Josten, chief lobbyist of the US Chamber of Commerce. (AP Photo)

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Jes
Oct 6, 09 11:35 AM CDT

What the fuck is going on when companies are more concerned with regulation than government?! Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 11:36 AM CDT

Uhh, because life as we know it is going to drastically change within our lifetimes? Is that not good enough for you?

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calkino
Oct 6, 09 11:37 AM CDT

and big energy companies to boot. honestly, though, i think they really just want some law in place so they can commit to long-term business planning.

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Unaffiliated
Oct 6, 09 11:48 AM CDT

Why does the government have to lead the way? Private citizens and companies can make change just as well as the government can.

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DJM420
Oct 6, 09 12:10 PM CDT

@aelius...JES is making the point: you know its bad/insane when global companies, which sometimes trample human rights, etc, are calling for change, whereas GOVT's, esp ours, lags behind in supporting needed change. she's making a sarcastic comparison. (now i see how MY sarcasm doesn't go over sometimes)

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polytricks
Oct 6, 09 1:05 PM CDT

This is the way global warming should be handled...privately and through the free choice of those who produce and consume. Why are people angry? Apple is its own business and can do whatever it chooses to do. Rather than make criminals out of business that don't follow, let them see the effects of their policies through the only thing that matters to them: their customers.

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polytricks
Oct 6, 09 1:08 PM CDT

And by the way, Apple is not in the energy industry. It's easy to publicize your business' changes when you're not even a key player.

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Jes
Oct 6, 09 2:38 PM CDT

Thank you, DJM420, I had forgotten how sarcasm doesn't fly on Newser. I am proud of the companies taking a stand for the general good that might be at odds with easy profit even when our government is more concerned about protecting the greedy and callous than its people and land. Guess I should have been clearer.

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foodchain11
Oct 6, 09 4:50 PM CDT

The US Chamber of commerce is not a government organization. It is a national org of business executives and owners.

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fancygapva
Oct 6, 09 8:20 PM CDT

@Aelius--I don't know how long your lifetime has been, but life has already changed within my rather long one. Most creek water was safe to drink when I was a child, the sky was really really blue EVERY DAY that it wasn't cloudy, not hazy and pale, rich blue. It was safe to swim at any beach. It was safe to eat fish, there were no Code Orange or Red air quality days. It was safe to go out in the sun. There was no such thing as sunscreen. There were no air quality measures. There had never been an oil spill or a fish kill. Food was bought either canned or fresh (later there was frozen food) and cooked at home instead of filled with chemicals and precooked. We didn't have drugs like Prozac in the water....of course they did spray DDT to kill mosquitos which were thought to carry polio....It used to be cold in the winter and hot in the summer and the seasons came around at approximately the same time every year. I'm rambling, but you get the idea. Things have already changed.

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 11:36 AM CDT

Good going Apple :D Reply

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odowd80
Oct 6, 09 11:39 AM CDT

Good. The Chamber of Commerce are backwards assholes. Reply

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triordan
Oct 6, 09 11:39 AM CDT

"companies are more concerned with regulation than government?!" When they seek to profit from the regulations... Reply

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RobN
Oct 6, 09 11:40 AM CDT

If they really wanted to make a difference, they'd stop the grandstanding and start production here instead of in places like China and the Phillipines. Reply

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slen
Oct 6, 09 1:21 PM CDT

Are you willing to pay the price that American-made products demand? I would love to see some manufacturing return to the US, but that would require a shift in spending on our part.

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Jayster999
Oct 6, 09 11:45 AM CDT

The US chamber of commerce is absolutely right. We have bought into a theory that has not been proven beyond doubt. If you do some research on Al Gore you will find that he set up carbon trading companies BEFORE he released his infamous book and film. What does this mean? Gore was planning how he and his cronies could reap billions through "cap and trade" schemes BEFORE he started his Chicken Little routine. Gore was hatching his green(back) trading bonanza from the get-go. If you go back, you will also find that the fringe scientific community had actually been sounding the alarm of an impending global ICE AGE mere months before they came out with the global warming scare. Why? Their data did not match the NATURAL warming trend, so they reversed positions. Reply

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JaneMP
Oct 6, 09 11:47 AM CDT

Oh, please. Al Gore profits more than the cola industry?

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Unaffiliated
Oct 6, 09 11:52 AM CDT

So are you suggesting the real problem will be climate change in the other direction? Should we all run out and turn our cars on and just let them idle all day to stave off the impending ice age? I just don't see how releasing all of the energy stored in millions of years worth of decayed organic material (oil) into the atmosphere in just a century can NOT affect the climate.

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Jayster999
Oct 6, 09 11:58 AM CDT

When national and global cap and trade is passed, he will make billions. His Generation Investment Group which is London-based (and "discourages" American investors) is all too-real. Heck, it's even referenced in his bio on Wikipedia. Here's one of many articles on the subject: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=22663

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Jayster999
Oct 6, 09 12:06 PM CDT

@UN: Uh, no. Instead of spouting sarcasm, why don't you research the matter? Wasting fuel and polluting the environment are not the answer for anything. But does raising OUR fuel bills in the form of "green" taxes that will go into the pockets of greedy profiteers sound like a good idea? You guys bitch all day about greedy capitalists, and guess what--Gore is one of the worst. Imagine a little old lady trying to keep her heat on in the winter and having to pay double because of Gore and his gang. You folks are unknowingly supporting hypocrisy of the highest order.

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 12:09 PM CDT

Jayster, if you have any intellectual honestly remaining, you'll read Wikipedia's FAQ for this nonsense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Global_warming/FAQ

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DJM420
Oct 6, 09 12:11 PM CDT

@jester666 "We have bought into a theory that has not been proven beyond doubt." you mean your religion, right?

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DJM420
Oct 6, 09 12:12 PM CDT

religion, pshh....talk about THE multi-billion dollar industry...

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OrganicTea
Oct 6, 09 12:51 PM CDT

Gore did not did not create the theory of Cap & Trade, he popularized it in the public. The theory is solid and was created by a number of economists and climate scientists, which by the way Gore is not. If you want to argue climate science do not point to Gore. Gore is a spokesperson. You don't fault Gibbs for everything Obama does you don't like, do you? It's the same with climate science and C&T. The efficacy of C&T is an issue that is irrespective of whether or not Gore would make money on it. Lastly, you site a "fringe scientific community...(warning) of an...ICE AGE", which, is undoubtedly exaggerated, would be because according to climate science and geology would indicate that we should have entered a cooling period (which naturally follows a warming period) but because of the overloading of GHG into the atmosphere we are instead prolonging and aggravating the current warming period; which will likely lead to a more dramatic cooling period when certain climatological balances shift. So how about some arguments against climate change that aren't ad hominem or stick-man?

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PosterNutbag
Oct 6, 09 1:15 PM CDT

What is the deal with climate change deniers? I think it is laziness, pure and simple. They are not game for the hard work of cultural adjustment that it is going to take to make our way of life sustainable. They are afraid of change. They want everything ready-made disposable. Notice how conservatives are always griping about people being lazy, wanting a handout, etc. Is that psychological projection? Al Gore wants to profit from cap and trade? Whatever, so does Goldman Sachs, and every other democrat/republican with the financial wherewithal to throw their weight around in that way. Cap and trade is just the tip of a melting iceberg of changes and reforms that need to take place at every level of society.

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Robert_Dada
Oct 6, 09 7:14 PM CDT

Jayster, I honestly used to think you were an a-hole. Sadly I realized I was wrong. In reality,you are an a-hole's idea of an a-hole. I feel ashamed that I be so corrected.

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Timinator2K
Oct 6, 09 11:48 AM CDT

The US CoC simply isn't buying into PURE JUNK non-Science and Al Gore Carbon Credit Scams. One Bad Apple can go friggin' rot. You "believers" are so INCREDIBLY stupid and are such SHEEPLE...baaaaaa baaaaa baaaaaaa, the climate is falling! If Jobs is soooo afraid of living, he should have checked out when he had the chance. Reply

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DJM420
Oct 6, 09 12:14 PM CDT

it makes more sense than no science backing up religion and you eat that shit up.

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Pragmaticrealism
Oct 6, 09 12:06 PM CDT

Only a drop in the bucket Reply

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Jayster999
Oct 6, 09 12:11 PM CDT

Here's the infamous Time global ice age article: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 12:18 PM CDT

Did you read the FAQ I sent you, Jayster? Or did your intellectual dishonestly get the better of you as usual? It mentions the global ice age in the FAQ.

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OrganicTea
Oct 6, 09 12:56 PM CDT

Wow! "Perfect" evidence showing how Homo sapiens have been able to directly effect the climate! The overloading of GHG prolonging a warming period that should have already ended. [begin sarcasm] Thanks Jayster for your valuable working debunking climate change skeptics. [end sarcasm]

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Jojo
Oct 6, 09 12:12 PM CDT

Ahh yes, Apple the epitome of moral and responsibly work practices... that has their own products manufactured and assembled in Chinese sweatshops.... Reply

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Jayster999
Oct 6, 09 12:24 PM CDT

Bingo! Now look at the hypocrisy of Gore, the green(back) super capitalist.

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Music_Girl72
Oct 6, 09 12:12 PM CDT

Wikipedia???? Really? Do you believe what is written in Wikipedia? Anyone can write anything in Wikipedia. How about some real facts??? Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 12:18 PM CDT

If you think an official Wikipedia FAQ page with sourced references is unreliable you're hopelessly deluded.

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Jayster999
Oct 6, 09 12:18 PM CDT

I referenced Wikipedia because I was trying to show how easy it is to uncover this information if one has the stomach for it. Many articles can be found which expose Gore and his network of green trading companies. Google "Generation Investment Group" for starters.

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Jayster999
Oct 6, 09 12:12 PM CDT

"The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded. Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific technological elite." -- Dwight Eisenhower speech, 1961 Reply

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DJM420
Oct 6, 09 12:16 PM CDT

and?

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rajanKazhmin
Oct 6, 09 12:22 PM CDT

Hey, that was pretty off base, but I've seen you farther.

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Jayster999
Oct 6, 09 12:21 PM CDT

Um, public opinion can be hijacked by the scientific community--who profit immensely from our unquestioning and gullible nature. Reply

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 12:29 PM CDT

lol? Scientists don't profit from consensus, they profit from dissent. If a scientist had any evidence against global warming he'd be fucking famous. He'd get enormous publicity and grant funds; he doesn't get shit for sitting around accepting global warming. You've got it ass-fucking-backwards, Jayster.

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RobN
Oct 6, 09 12:34 PM CDT

They profit from consensus if that consensus results in federal and state governments pouring hundreds of billions of dollars into investigating and potentially negating the effects of global warming.

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 12:37 PM CDT

Oh you've got to be kidding me. Okay, read the fucking global warming FAQ page I linked before you embarrass yourself further. It takes 3 or 4 minutes and it's potentially one of the most important things you'll ever need to make a stance on. If you won't read it, you're fucking pathetic.

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Jayster999
Oct 6, 09 12:40 PM CDT

There are MANY prominent scientists who do not buy into global warming. Google "scientists against global warming" and you will find among other things, a petition signed by 31,000 American scientists who take issue with it, in whole or in part.

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Jayster999
Oct 6, 09 12:47 PM CDT

RobN: Correct. Scientists get the bulk of their money from government funding. Their grants must be approved based on their proposed study. If those in charge deem that the debate is over, they will not get money for research unless their study backs the consensus opinion. Its a way of shutting down dissent in the scientific community.

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OrganicTea
Oct 6, 09 1:01 PM CDT

Because this petition is absolutely credible? Not to mention it doesn't say who these people are. So what if a bunch of sociologist or economists say that climate science is hokey. They're scientists, but that doesn't mean they understand climate science. It doesn't even try to pretend that all these people are informed and interested, just that they took enough time to send in an email. Few, if any, biologist, climatologists, geologists, chemists, or ecologists are on the side against climate science. These are the scientists whose opinion is worth considering in the climate change debate.

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Jayster999
Oct 6, 09 1:04 PM CDT

@Organic: My main point is the Gore cap and trade profiteering plan. TRY and refute that...

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Unaffiliated
Oct 6, 09 1:07 PM CDT

+10, Organic.

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Aelius28
Oct 6, 09 1:11 PM CDT

Jayster, you're unbelievable. With every post in this article you make, I find yet another claim addressed in the Wikipedia FAQ. Why don't you read it? Can you tell me why, do you even know?

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OrganicTea
Oct 6, 09 1:25 PM CDT

@Jayster Why? It's an economic model for dealing with excess pollution. Of course it's going to be based around profit, that's how economics works. Is Al Gore trying to make money off of this? Absolutely. But, Cap & Trade economic theories are far older then Gore's entrance into the Carbon Cap & Trade game. Again, the efficacy of C&T is irrespective of Gore's specific ability to profit from it. Ad Hominem/Straw-man = Bad argument.

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Jayster999
Oct 6, 09 12:35 PM CDT

I'm not trying to propagandize here, I'm merely giving you some facts to chew on. Saint Gore has some very tangible reasons to convince you that cap and trade legislation is necessary. Don't you find it interesting that BEFORE he started his Chicken Little squawking, Gore was paving the golden road to riches for he and his pals? C'mon, you guys are cynical as hell of capitalists. This doesn't bother you even a bit? Reply

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Unaffiliated
Oct 6, 09 12:56 PM CDT

I was skeptical when Gore suddenly became the great champion for a cause I have supported long before he came around. I've never seen his movie. I've never read his book. Closest I've gotten to him is watching his talk at TED from a few years ago. But I've looked at the research that suggests there is a link between human activities and global warming, and I've looked at the research that suggests it's a naturally occurring phenomenon, but I disagree that it is entirely natural. Based on the data I've seen, it's entirely false that the Earth is not heating up, and human activity, mainly the burning of fossil fuels, is to blame for the majority of that warming.

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polytricks
Oct 6, 09 1:02 PM CDT

@Unafilliated - Can you post some links? I've also seen data supporting both sides. But I've also seen that the main scholarly study upon which Al Gore bases his presentation (the big graph, in particular) was deemed false by a government court. I'll try to find that link.

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Jayster999
Oct 6, 09 1:03 PM CDT

@Un: Check out his profit motive. That will make you skeptical all over again...

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JoeQ
Oct 6, 09 1:13 PM CDT

I am kind of surprised that at a national level there even exists a Chamber of Commerce. It is just another medieval institution. At the local level it promotes GROWTH AT ANY COST. Just a place for builders, contractors, mortgage companies, and the like to network. They have never had a sense of community beyond raw greed, and they would promote building whorehouses if there was money in it. Of course, their opinions on global matters are just utterly self-serving rhetoric. Reply

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Timinator2K
Oct 6, 09 1:40 PM CDT

Al Gore's Carbon Credits R Me! People who willingly buy into a scam that even a blind man could see through are lambs to Obama- the-Great-Satan's Believer Slaughter. Reply

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LordFool666
Oct 6, 09 4:19 PM CDT

Aelius28- "Uhh," because Jess is being sarcastic and you are to stupid to see it? Like most commenters on Newser, you are looking for a fight and not paying attention to what's being written. This is truly the age of the idiot. Reply

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