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CLARENCE PAGE

Actually, Fox Is a Legit News Operation

Obama must start following through on campaign promises

By M. Morris| Posted Oct 25, 09 2:13 PM CDT|

(Newser) – Risking his wife's wrath, Clarence Page has to admit he agrees with Sean Hannity. The Fox News host has correctly called President Obama on the disconnect between campaign rhetoric and the attempted boycott of Hannity's employer. "It is disingenuous for right-wing pundits to accuse Obama of dividing the country, considering the five-star job they have done in turning us against each other," Page writes. "But if Obama is being judged by a different standard of civility, it is a standard he set for himself."

"Fox is what their defenders say it is, not a political organization but a news operation." the left-leaning Chicago Tribune columnist acknowledges. He takes a couple of pokes at "news clowns" Hannity and Glenn Beck but comes down harder on the White House. "When powerful people lash back at the media that cover them, they only make the media look sympathetic," Page argues. "They boost their adversary's audience with curiosity seekers who wonder what all the fuss is about."

Hip-hop artist Nas joins members of MoveOn.org and ColorofChange.org as supporters protest Fox News' coverage of Barack Obama in front of News Corp. headquarters, July 23, 2008. in New York. (AP Photo/Mary Altaffer)

Fox talking head Sean Hannity is "only a tad more serious-minded as a news clown than his colleague Glenn Beck," Chicago Tribune columnist Clarence Page writes. (AP Photo/Douglas C. Pizac, File)

President Barack Obama speaks at a town hall meeting Fox Senior High School in Arnold, Mo., Wednesday, April 29, 2009. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

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Reader68389796
Oct 25, 09 2:31 PM CDT

Hannity and Beck are just two of the fools dividing and destroying our beautiful country. Only yesterday I spent hours in an emergency room saving a white woman's life at my job and as a black woman I was happy to help save someone's life didn't matter if she was black or white. If I was listening to the stupidity and racists hatred remarks from Hannity and the complete racist Glenn Beck this woman might not have been alive today. But I know that these are only a few of the fools our there the majority of Americans want to see our country succeed. Reply

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Robert_Dada
Oct 25, 09 2:36 PM CDT

Thank you Reader. A lot of people on Newser could take a lesson from you.

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Guava_Jelly
Oct 25, 09 5:31 PM CDT

So doctors who listen to Hannity and Glenn Beck kill people of different ethnicity? Very informative post. Thanks I'll be sure to let everyone know this vital information. What if they ask where I derived this information? Forget it, if they ask they're racist!

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ronimaca
Oct 25, 09 6:46 PM CDT

What about Bill O don't forget that clown. All their shows are right wing opinions not news and deferentially not fair and balanced. They never correct anything, and they lie a lot (make mistakes a lot)

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reasonator
Oct 25, 09 9:57 PM CDT

I feel sad that you actually believe what you wrote, reader. If you listened to Hannity and Beck you would not want to save the life of someone who had a different ethnicity or skin color than you? WTF? Can you actually back up your claims that they are "complete racists" by citing some racist quotes they have made? I'll be waiting. Seriously though, you need to start using your brain and think for yourself and stop letting some political party abuse and manipulate your obviously good heart.

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Jayster999
Oct 25, 09 10:22 PM CDT

reasonator: You're right. This racist crap is out of control. Beck and Hannity would not let a black person die if it were in their power and any honest person should resent the implication. Clarence Page is cut above the liberals who have gone nuts at the fact that their is opposition to their radical agenda.

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bsmenot
Oct 25, 09 10:33 PM CDT

@Reader.. I went back and read your previous postings. I find it fascinating that an evident racist like you points the finger elsewhere. I also believe your little tale there is pure bull.

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zentenai
Oct 25, 09 11:58 PM CDT

Ronimacia, I agree with you about Fox News, but just wanted to point out that they do normally correct their mistakes. It's not much of an excuse, and they don't always do it, but the fact remains.

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bewilderbeast
Oct 26, 09 6:58 AM CDT

The actual point is this is more about OBAMA than it is about FOX. Barack, my man, you should get off your high horse. It is not your call whether Fox is "legitimate" or not. Get on with your job - you have lots of promise (and promises) to fulfil. Picking fights is dumb.

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Vanessa1213
Oct 26, 09 12:05 PM CDT

Did you pick up a pay check yesterday? You are being paid to do a job.

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cunomor
Oct 26, 09 12:34 PM CDT

If someone can point to something truly racist that Hannity has said I'll jump on the bandwagon (Beck too for that matter). They run their mouths, sure, but RACIST isn't something to just throw around. Give me some links to real examples that aren't trumped up by a lib blogger. Seriously, I'm asking for proof.

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timeandagain
Oct 26, 09 11:44 PM CDT

Are you a doctor? NOT!

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vnbrtzl
Oct 30, 09 5:17 AM CDT

Reader, You are a Doctor? I'm affraid you have the God complex that is prevalent in some. Get over your insecurities before you take a life

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Reader64481089
Oct 25, 09 2:34 PM CDT

"Actually, Fox Is a Legit News Operation"....Yes, and it rates right beside the Easter Bunny and Santa so STFU and get over it. Fox is about as legit as I am a millionaire. Reply

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tran_tor
Oct 25, 09 2:39 PM CDT

Holy Cow ReaderBlahBlahBlah! Your repeated attacks on the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus are starting to wear thin.

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Caps
Oct 25, 09 4:17 PM CDT

And you tran-tor, sound like the Easter Bunny, with your Blabbing and your are starting to wear VERY thin, so get a grip and STFU.

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kokuaguy
Oct 26, 09 1:00 AM CDT

Clarence, Bill O'Reilly thinks you're a stand-up guy. And I don't blame you for getting in on the act. Why let Krauthammer hog the limelight in the debate over the degree to which Fox News can qualify as a purveyor of information, as opposed to a propaganda machine. I won't even ask you to deny getting direct financial benefits from your defense of Fox. But Clarence, if the White House isn't allowed to stand up to Fox and call them out for their lies, who will do it? Someone has to do it, Clarence, and apparently it won't be you.

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tran_tor
Oct 26, 09 8:17 AM CDT

@caps: Reader can and does offer more than name-calling in these forums. Looking at your post history, maybe you should also try to contribute less mindless slander and engage in some healthy debate.

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Caps
Oct 26, 09 8:54 AM CDT

And tran-tor, what have you offered on this post? Nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and your blabbing is getting on everyone nerves. So STFU.

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tran_tor
Oct 26, 09 9:04 AM CDT

@caps: http://www.apa.org/topics/controlanger.html

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NewserScooter
Oct 27, 09 8:40 AM CDT

@Kokuaguy... So glad that you agree with Glen Beck. He has asked the WH to call him anytime he is getting a fact wrong. So far no response other to say that they are not a news organization, and to try and block them out of the pool coverage. The WH is free to respond, if they can, I would love to hear it.

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vnbrtzl
Oct 30, 09 5:18 AM CDT

you lie too

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OG_Travis
Oct 25, 09 2:36 PM CDT

Actually no, it's not a legit news operation. I strain to hear an actual news report not wrapped in opinion. Sure the others are like this as well but not nearly to the degree FOX has pushed itself. It's all about the ratings....well I think that's wrong. I don't think our news sources should be about what the majority of idiots want to see for entertainment. They have a larger obligation than that to the people. But it's not about obligation, it about profits. So MSNBC will try to corner the left but most of the people that lean left don't want to watch someone explain what they already know to them so their ratings will never compete with the emotionally fueled, zombie hypnotizing circus that you find on FOX. They will make a "news report" with no opinions blatantly attached but the omitting of details or what they choose to cover is just as biased as the commentary that takes up 23 out of 24 hours of broadcasting. But people will watch...and idiots will listen....and even smart people will be confused about what's real and what somehow came from FOX. No, FOX news is not a news organization, it's a propaganda machine fueled by the consumerism of middle America. Reply

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freethemall
Oct 25, 09 4:13 PM CDT

OG, you've hit the nail squarely on the head! I gave a thumbs up, which so far, makes a total of two; you deserve many more. Of course when the "zombies" you speak see this, you're likely to get some thumbs down also.

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Spudsy
Oct 25, 09 6:38 PM CDT

Agreed. Fox has been labeling GOP governor of SC as a Dem ever since he was caught having sex with an Argentinian. They have done the same with other GOP scandal magnets. They also were caught stirring up the teabagger's Washington march for the cameras. Not sure if Clarence has been watching very closely. He needs to rethink this one.

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JimW
Oct 25, 09 11:40 PM CDT

I voted you a thumbs up, but....... are you? lol

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JimW
Oct 25, 09 11:43 PM CDT

I hear ya OG. I stopped watching them during the FIRST Gulf war. At first, I thought they were pretty damn hot, coming up with stories before anyone else. Then I started noticing how often they were dead wrong, and had in fact been, like Palin says, making shit up.

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Speedbump2001
Oct 26, 09 8:52 AM CDT

Not particularly defending Fox, but everything on Fox, nor MSNBC nor the other networks is news. Hannity and Beck aren't news shows, just like Rachel Maddow and Keith O are not news shows. All of these shows provide some time to delve deeper into subjects that the news portion of any of the networks don't have time to do. News is primarily sound bites these days. You're not going to get an understanding of any issue by watching only one channel, regardless of your political views.

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Cher
Oct 26, 09 11:40 PM CDT

You do NOT watch Fox News, that is obivious to say the least. If you did you would see Hannity and Beck back up their points with video of the person they are talking about. Obama made alot of promises. He has kept none. He needs to pay more attention to the economy, jobs, and the war than stick his nose into things that should not concern him because America has free speech. Thank God. Fox is "fair and balanced". Why don't you watch for yourself? Obama is a control freek and cannot stand it if anyone disagrees with him. He thinks he can do Fox in. Little does he understand that he is actually helping Fox. I LOVE IT!!!!!!!

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culchie
Oct 25, 09 3:11 PM CDT

Imagine you're running something that purports to be a news operation....but the claim is so obviously ridiculous that when some guy says he thinks it might be a news operation...it's reported as a news story. In the business, that's called a Hey, Marge, as in "Hey, Marge, guess what some guy in Chicago thinks Fox News is!" Reply

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NewserScooter
Oct 27, 09 8:43 AM CDT

Well apparently the "other" news organizations understand that Fox is news. They 'protected' Fox's role in the pool coverage.

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JoeQ
Oct 25, 09 3:15 PM CDT

I just wonder what Rupert Murdoch tried to do by setting up Fox the way he did. Sure, money and ratings, but he's up to something much more. He has a political agenda. Fox is surely a propaganda machine that seems designed to polarize and paralyze people with rhetoric. It panders to fear and generates paranoia. Maybe the idea is to completely destroy reasoned political discourse. It feeds a political climate where it is next to impossible just to discuss issues publically; you end up being forced to take sides in a shouting contest. Then all that is left to effectively influence the government is lobbyists for the biggest business interests. Maybe that's his job, to paralyze the people so that government can continue unimpeded behind closed doors. . Reply

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ronimaca
Oct 25, 09 6:50 PM CDT

so true he isn't even American.

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Spudsy
Oct 25, 09 10:38 PM CDT

JoeQ, he is trying to weaken America by cheerleading such idiotic moves as invading Iraq in order to benefit his global businesses. And dimwit Americans watch without realizing that the American "talent" on the network has sold out their own country. Although in the case of Beck and Hannity I think that one is too paranoid and stupid and the other too vain to realize what they have done.

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Cher
Oct 26, 09 11:48 PM CDT

Yes, sure. If people cannot think for themselves and seek out the truth for themselves, I do not feel sorry for them. Let everyone hollar "racists", and believe what they want to believe from that lying SOB in the WH. People you need to READ and pay attention to what is going on in the great nation of ours. If you don't you will certainly be sorry for if Obama has his way, big government will be in your life forever. You can take the to the bank.

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Rocket448
Oct 25, 09 3:31 PM CDT

For truly fair and balanced news I turn to NPR. News wrapped in the flag and spun for flavor is useless to everyone. Fox viewers take comfort in seeing their views applauded and encouraged; they also accept outrageous statements as the whole truth. I have several in-laws who hold ridiculous points of view about the economy, health care reform, and energy policy, and who will argue vociferously with me even after I offer them the facts in print. This sort of behavior is absolutely counter-productive in a democratic republic. The Founders were men of the Enlightenment, natural philosophers who honored the truth; our society has repudiated that heritage in favor of Faith, demagogues and corporate profits. Reply

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Spudsy
Oct 25, 09 10:41 PM CDT

Too many modern Americans are too busy watching cr@p like Jon & Kate or reading gossip sites to read any facts about current events. They turn to this drivel for a quick dose of opinion that pretty much just says "we'll handle it if you just do as we and don't worry your little heads about it". It's the "dumbing" of America.

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Cher
Oct 26, 09 11:55 PM CDT

What makes you believe that NPR is telling the truth. Why can't we have truth and FAITH? Why is anyones views other than yours "outrageous and "ridiculous". You need to get a grip and get hold of the truth. You need to stop spewing hatred and get some "faith".

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Speedbump2001
Oct 27, 09 1:32 PM CDT

Right. NPR is not biased at all. People only see bias is what they don't agree with....if you agree with the bias, it's invisible to you. I'm highly suspicious of anyone who says you're source is biased but mine isn't. If you want some real truth, read "Bias" by Bernard Goldberg. (He admits in the book he's a liberal, but that the bias in reporting got to him.) You'll never look at news again the same way.

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polstroad
Oct 25, 09 3:31 PM CDT

Feingold says no public option, no reform. Congress seems to say ought to be public option choice. Obama says: well, we can have reform without public option. This is not what I wanted when I voted for Obama. Reply

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Rocket448
Oct 26, 09 3:06 PM CDT

Sen. Feingold has always been out in front of health care reform (or health care INSURANCE reform), as much or moreso than Ted Kennedy. Sen Feingold is emerging as my ideal Democrat in the Senate. As his counterpart in the house, fellow Wisconsinite Rep. Kagen is all about meaningful health care reform. Kudos to them both.

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RockyPneumonia
Oct 25, 09 3:56 PM CDT

Here's an article on how, contrary to the claims of Fox and its RWW viewership, Fox's editorial stance is reflected in its news reporting: http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%253A%252F%252Fmediamatters.org%252Fresearch%252F200910130047&h=7fa39f0a682ca25f33143f6eba9e4fd9&ref=mf Reply

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Snarfeh
Oct 25, 09 5:51 PM CDT

Rocky, that's...that's...christ, I can't even think of a word damning enough. I mean, I know Fox distorts facts, but damn, to see it allllll lined up like that makes it sickening. Right here, in our own country, propaganda and OBVIOUS lies are circulated as truth. I would suggest we divide the country, let them have one side and we take the other side, but those assholes would always want to vacation on our side. I'm Stumbling that page if it hasn't already been Stumbled.

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Speedbump2001
Oct 27, 09 1:35 PM CDT

Every news organization has a bias and an agenda. Fox isn't unique. People only see bias when they don't agree with the bias presented. Read "Bias" by Bernard Goldberg.

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DarkFrancis
Oct 25, 09 4:10 PM CDT

Do they still do Around the World in 80 Seconds? Reply

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foodchain11
Oct 25, 09 4:46 PM CDT

Actually, it's not important if it is or isn't. The question is: Do you commentators/editorialists and/or entertainers into the press room? That really is the ONLY question. FOX is and will be free to say whatever it wants. Chris Mathews, Olbermann, Maddow do not have a pass into the press room; Chuck Todd ; Jake Tapper does. They convery that information. They do not opine on it. Reply

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Guava_Jelly
Oct 25, 09 4:56 PM CDT

It just doesn't make sense...the President said it wasn't Reply

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freethemall
Oct 25, 09 6:20 PM CDT

A legitimate news organization obviously has no agenda other than reporting the facts, and this obviously is not the Fox "News" agenda. And I am sickened that a man of Clarence Page's stature doesn't acknowledge this. Reply

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Netstorm2k9
Oct 26, 09 1:45 AM CDT

"A legitimate news organization obviously has no agenda other than reporting the facts..." Tell that to William Randolph Hearst. Tell that to General Electric, which owns NBC. Tell it to Viacom, Disney, AT&T, and Sony. EVERY media company is just that- a company. It has an agenda based on the owner's political beliefs. Just because one happens to be a colossal ass like Murdoch doesn't mean the rest - ABC, CBS, NBC, etc, don't have an agenda, and don't gatekeep information in the pursuit of that agenda. All Fox is is what Murdoch wants it to be- a black dog stalking horse to give people the appearance of a polarity to choose from. So don't watch. Hell, you'd be a moron to listen to any of the ones I mentioned as a sole source of your information about the world.

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commoncents
Oct 25, 09 6:56 PM CDT

I really see FoxNews as a televised version of supermaket rag papers (Enquirer, Star, etc). I can't believe anyone actually buys and reads those rags same as FoxNews. But I guess there are millions that think WWF wrestling is real too. Reply

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cornelison
Oct 25, 09 7:30 PM CDT

Fox is closer to The Globe. Have you seen their (Globe) covers? *LOL*

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danowell
Oct 25, 09 6:58 PM CDT

I guess it all depends upon whether you are a liberal or a democrat as to how you view FNS. I for one am grateful that there is at least one media that is willing to go out on a limb and allow people like Glenn Beck and Hannity to point out the inconsistencies the current Administration would like to have people ignore. Reply

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commoncents
Oct 25, 09 7:05 PM CDT

You make as much sense as a teabagger calling Obama communist-socialist-whatever for wanting basic health coverage for all Americans and then still calling themselves Christian! Yes, God wants insurance companies to be richer at our expense. Get off the Fox kool-ade!!!!!!!

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cornelison
Oct 25, 09 7:33 PM CDT

You can't "go out on a limb" if the owner of the channel tells you to do so. Telling the facts is "going out on a limb" at Fox.

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RockyPneumonia
Oct 25, 09 8:54 PM CDT

It would be nice, however, if the things they pointed out were not, y'know, lies.

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mkest@makecor.com
Oct 25, 09 7:22 PM CDT

I haven't heard any commentator point out the value of the White House taking on the extreme right. It is in their interest to define the Republicans by Limbaugh, Beck and Fox. The Republican internal struggle can only deepen if Obama legitimizes the crazies on the right. Bring it on!!!!!!!!! Martin Klest Reply

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cornelison
Oct 25, 09 7:26 PM CDT

Fox Fringe has Shep but the rest are part of an extreme right platform. It's controlled by a very few rich people who want theircruel political & social views to dominate the media. It's that wealth & manipulation that poisons the journalism environment. Reply

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GlennH
Oct 25, 09 7:44 PM CDT

Fox does cover all the major non-political stories (car chases, murders, scandal, etc.) like a regular news organization, so to that extent they are one. It's only when the subject is of importance to the right-wing nutcases that they shift to outright propaganda as opposed to news. Unfortunately, pretty much anything having to do with the morals or running of the country is of importance to the right-wing nutcases. Reply

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OWLWOMANXXXX
Oct 25, 09 7:54 PM CDT

maybe the American people should be told what is fact and what is opinion.....I equate Fox to a TV version of the National Inquirer Reply

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IllinoisBoy_IN_LA
Oct 25, 09 7:55 PM CDT

Keith Ollberman is the biggest fool on TV. Reply

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cedarkey
Oct 25, 09 8:05 PM CDT

And Keith OLDberman is a truth molester.

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Thinker
Oct 25, 09 8:14 PM CDT

And cedarkey is fixated on molesters ... to a man with a hammer, everything is a nail.

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cedarkey
Oct 25, 09 8:22 PM CDT

And non-thinker is back!! Welcome back. How is everything on the dark side of the moon? Reply

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divetrader
Oct 25, 09 8:23 PM CDT

Is cedarkey jet skiing again? Reply

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cedarkey
Oct 25, 09 8:37 PM CDT

Not right now. Having smoked mullet with black eyed peas, watching football with my dogs.( For you liberal white folks that means I'm about to have dinner and watch football with my invited guests.

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JimW
Oct 25, 09 11:52 PM CDT

So invite me over, I'll roll a big fat one ;-) Reply

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Netstorm2k9
Oct 26, 09 1:58 AM CDT

Judging by this measure, I'd say FOX is as legitimate a news source as any of them are, these days. 'Orwell Rolls In His Grave" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1179175516550155628# Reply

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shank1977
Oct 26, 09 2:25 AM CDT

im sick of hearing these idiots always yelling racist all the time i mean damn its over any an everything all it is....is something they can yell when they might disagree with something someone else says or does..i dont watch alot of news but when i do i have watched all news channels an beleave me most all of the time fox news gets it right i mean hell this president is running things in the ground just like bush bottom line ones white an the other black....the only reason people are yelling racist is because these guys at fox news are not sugar coating this man screwing up there flat out telling the truth about what he is doing...how stupid do you have to be not to see it anyway...well to answer my own question i think alot of people are really showing just how stupid they are....get off this racist junk ...just because these white guys are telling the truth on the president who is black doesnt give you the right to yell racist all the damn time...hell bush was white they talked about him!!!!!! fox news just tells it like it is this man is a screw up like bush so get over it Reply

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geneparmesan
Oct 26, 09 2:59 AM CDT

Actually playing the 'their playing the race card' card has been used far more than any race card. It has been played so much that people like yourself now defend blatant racism as if racism no longer exists. An old white man calling an overly qualified latina women a racist for an off the record opinion, shows no comprehension of what racism is. Which is the problem with the majority of 'soft' racists in this country, they don't think they are a racist because they would never lynch someone. Well, you don't have to lynch someone to be a racist. But there is a tremendously high chance that you are a Republican if you are a truly hateful racist.

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RockyPneumonia
Oct 26, 09 7:52 AM CDT

The difference, shank, is that the criticisms of Bush were based in, y'know, fact, whereas claims that President Obama is "running things in the ground" are based on right-wing hysteria.

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bsmenot
Oct 26, 09 7:22 AM CDT

Oh how history gets so twisted. I have made a similar little posting like this many times over the years and I guess it is time again. It was the republican party that ended slavery. The KKK war was started by the Democrats. There has never been a Republican in the KKK. It was Woodrow Wilson (a Democratic) that implemented segregation laws in Washington DC forcing Blacks to use separate bathrooms and cafeterias. It was Herbert Hoover (a Republican) that ran on the anti-lynching ticket won the election and stopped those segregation laws. It was the Republican party that as a political party was the first to recognize women's right to vote and introduced equal pay laws for women and minorities. It was southern Governors that implemented the Jim Crow laws that kept blacks as a lesser class and deprived them of proper education, housing, and healthcare. The Republican party has always been the party of equality. I read these blogs and I have to laugh many times because race never seems to be brought into a subject until a Democratic/liberal brings it up. During the elections I personally knew only two people that would not vote for Obama because he was black (both Democrats by the way) yet I knew of no less than 15 people that voted for him only because he was black. Racism plays both ways yet it seems to me the finger pointer need to look in the mirror a little more often. Reply

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RockyPneumonia
Oct 26, 09 7:48 AM CDT

Yes, bsmenot, and I'm sure you know -- from your extensive reading of American history -- that at the time, the Republicans were the liberal party and the Democrats were the conservatives. I'm sure you also know that up until 1968, as a consequence of Reconstruction, it was almost impossible for a self-professed Republican to get elected in the south; in every southern state, the two parties, effectively, were liberal Democrats and conservative Democrats. After Nixon's Southern Strategy made it safe for the latter to come out of the woodwork, they became, en masse, Republicans.The idea that the Republican party has, at any time in the past 50 years, egalitarian, is absurd, to say the least.

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bsmenot
Oct 26, 09 7:43 AM CDT

In fact I am so sick of this, I challenge anyone here to show me anything that either Hannity or Beck said that is racist. These men are NOT racist and I will prove that anything you come up with is a flat out lie or totally taken out of context. You want to make accusations. PROVE THEM! Reply

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RockyPneumonia
Oct 26, 09 8:29 AM CDT

"Beck, you may recall, made a stir when he asked Muslim Congressman Keith Ellison to prove he was not working with our enemies. Beck also recently suggested Barack Obama and civil rights icon Joseph Lowery are anti-white." -- http://www.newshounds.us/2009/02/08/two_days_after_racist_comments_on_hannity_rev_jesse_lee_peterson_repeats_them_on_glenn_beck.php

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skeptik
Oct 26, 09 11:02 AM CDT

Not racists? "Prejudice is that personal disrespect and mockery, the ridicule and systematic humiliation, the distortion of fact and wanton license of fancy, the cynical ignoring of the better and boisterous welcoming of the worse, the all-pervading desire to inculcate disdain for everything black" - W E B DuBois (1909) If the (Fox) shoe fits........

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doingtherightthing
Oct 26, 09 12:10 PM CDT

bsmenot...Beck and company are.there not racists there Americans who care what Obama is doing with our rights..... Obama's is backing down since the liberal media refused to attend a press conference unless Fox was included. Obama has divided of the press, wall street, and the military. Now he's losing the elderly and the independents because of division. What does that leave for Obama:" A one term president".........amen

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bsmenot
Oct 26, 09 6:53 PM CDT

Just got home from work. One at a time boys. give me a chance. Gotta feed the kids first.

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bsmenot
Oct 26, 09 6:57 PM CDT

skeptik...you will be mine!

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bsmenot
Oct 26, 09 6:59 PM CDT

RockyPneumonia .....you too

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Speedbump2001
Oct 27, 09 1:44 PM CDT

Calling someone a racist when they disagree with the Prez is the cowards way out....it's the new tactic from the left. This attitude just prolongs racism by continually bringing it to the surface. If a black man disagreed with Bush, did that make him a racist? Of course not. I thought we were over this immaturity years ago.

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Derni
Oct 26, 09 8:35 AM CDT

I disagree with C Page's view-there comes a point where people can cross a line and refuse to work with you and then you have to let them know that you're taking a different apporach-the president has done this with some countries-given them a trimeline to respond or else-FOX is a sham-not journalism and I applaud his handling of them-he's taken enough from the not too professional employees of the station -Obama ismn't running a church-and all people tell us whet they're going to do and things change-the need for compromise- Reply

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Cher
Oct 27, 09 12:35 AM CDT

All presidents have media trouble. You all act like Obama is the only one. That is why he should not waste his time. He is so arrogant to the point that he cannot stand anyone to disagree with him. He is fixated on Fox News instead of the economy, jobs, or the war. Men are being killed while Obama can't make a descision because he is so out of his league to be a president. He won't make a decision about the war because he is scared s***less of making a wrong decision. Of course Obama isn't running a church he is a MUSLIM. Yes Obama is soooo tuff that he has given "a timeline to respond or else". Or else what? What will he do? Can you please tell us exactly what countries he has given this time line to and for what reasons. I know you won't respond because YOU have no answers.

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Janniel
Oct 26, 09 9:08 AM CDT

Actually Fox News is mostly an extension of the PTL club. No more respect for you or your ability to think straight. Sorry for your wife as well. Reply

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vnbrtzl
Oct 30, 09 5:32 AM CDT

Condolences to the Pussy Cat Too Janniel

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bsmenot
Oct 26, 09 8:21 PM CDT

First of all I have to say it just down right pisses me off the way racism is thrown around these days. Let clear up what racism is: 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. 2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. 3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. Hatred or intolerance of another race or other races! Got that! Do you understand that! Only in the last 40 years has it become to mean you are a racist when you disagree with someone or accuse someone from another race of doing something wrong. That everybody is bullshit! Freedom of expression of ones views is what this country was built on. To take that right of free expression, of debating differences in idealisms away, because someone is a person is of a different skin color or cultural background, is despicable. These days racism consists of people who cry out that word every time someone disagrees with them and it is sickening. Downright sickening. I saw the sixties. I saw troops brought in to get blacks to school. I saw the lynchings. I saw the blood. That was pure damn hate filled racism. Those days are over and god forbid the stupid SOB that says they aren't. There will always be people that don't like others due to race but that is not Beck and/or Hannity! No one has EVER EVER heard either of them say they would like to hang a black man! No one has ever heard them say the white race is superior to any other race. They disagree with opinion! They don't like Obamas policies, not that he is black. @skeptik your quote from W E B DuBois (1909) (for you that didn't know) One of the co-founders of the NAACP lived the world of 100 years ago. Thirty years out of the civil war he was a fighter for the rights of blacks. I praise what this man did yet at the same time skeptik you are miss-leading in your applying his words to the world of today. Even your own quote by him ended "the all-pervading desire to inculcate disdain for everything black". Show me where BECK has ever shown this! You people that throw the word racist around should read some history. These men are not racist!!!!! Reply

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Libgirl
Oct 26, 09 8:39 PM CDT

It's about time bsmenot. I have been sitting here all night waiting for you post. I could only file my nails so long. Very impressive. I do have to agree with you. Racism is thrown around way too much. Still don't like them two twits, but your right. Well nite nite. Eary classes tomorrow.

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Speedbump2001
Oct 27, 09 1:48 PM CDT

Well put!

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fykusfire
Oct 27, 09 12:37 PM CDT

I always find it funny that Fox is considered a right-wing news organization, and their owner is a left-leaning guy. It just goes to show you, Ol' Rupert doesn't care about actual politics if they get in the way of his money. Reply

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