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Pelosi Presents $900B Health Care Bill

It could go to the floor as early as next week

By Kevin Spak| Posted Oct 29, 09 10:27 AM CDT|

(Newser) – Nancy Pelosi showed off the House’s sweeping health care reform bill today, boasting that it was a historic step toward providing quality health care for nearly all Americans. The bill, which officials say will cost roughly $900 billion over 10 years, would cover 96% of the country, requiring nearly everyone to buy health insurance by 2013. Individuals could do this on a regulated exchange, where private insurers would compete with a new public option.

Until then, temporary government programs will provide help for people who’ve been turned away from private insurance companies, reports AP. The plan will also significantly expand Medicaid. No Republicans are expected to vote for the bill, complaining that it would raise taxes on upper-income earners, and cut Medicare payments to insurers. "Americans' health care is too important to risk on one gigantic bill that was negotiated behind closed doors," says one Michigan Rep.

President Barack Obama, accompanied by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of Calif., waves as he leaves the Rotunda on Capitol Hill, Oct. 28, 2009. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

Nancy Pelosi discusses health care during a news conference on Capitol Hill, Friday, Oct. 23, 2009. (AP Photo/Lauren Victoria Burke)

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Doctor_Zaius
Oct 29, 09 10:29 AM CDT

mandatory abortions for everyone! Reply

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hybrid
Oct 29, 09 10:42 AM CDT

why not!

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lkayser1@yahoo.com
Oct 29, 09 10:54 AM CDT

too bad your parents get one

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Doctor_Zaius
Oct 29, 09 10:54 AM CDT

Even the men!

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hybrid
Oct 29, 09 11:06 AM CDT

doctor zaius i gave you two thumbs up in two days, whats wrong with me

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Fondue
Oct 29, 09 11:19 AM CDT

You 'get' sarcasm.

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Doctor_Zaius
Oct 29, 09 11:41 AM CDT

Poe's law.

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tomodachi
Oct 29, 09 11:49 AM CDT

The right-wing lunatic fringe gets pissed off whenever the government spends tax revenue on (gasp!) taxpayers. They'd much rather we buy war machines and oil subsidies.

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rocketrocketusa
Oct 29, 09 1:32 PM CDT

Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!

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timeandagain
Oct 29, 09 10:30 AM CDT

Grab your ankles America! Reply

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piyrwq
Oct 29, 09 11:43 AM CDT

To prepare for the affordable suppositories?

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0001tr
Oct 29, 09 10:31 AM CDT

$900b and when has the government EVER come in on budget....Doomed !!! Reply

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hybrid
Oct 29, 09 10:40 AM CDT

by some kind of slut magic, Poof! Its 900 billion, nice you liars.

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KennyBoy
Oct 29, 09 12:10 PM CDT

I seem to remember something about a guy named Clinton and a what do you call it when you have more money than bills? Surplus?

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godawgs
Oct 29, 09 1:42 PM CDT

@kenny yeah but that guy clinton had this guy named Newt running Congress. that is why he had a a surplus.

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Altoecko
Oct 29, 09 3:14 PM CDT

Newt is from my own state of Georgia, that man couldn't legislate, we know so much corrupt shit about him here it's not funny. He did nothing but help out people who gave him the most money, ignored his poor voters and he's one those Christians that believes that women are subordinate to men in all cases. Now, I know these are character flaws I'm pointing out not legislative flaws. But seriously, I wouldn't accredit the surplus to him, I'd say something about congress in the era of Clinton, but certainly not Newt himself.

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Netstorm2k9
Oct 29, 09 10:31 AM CDT

"...requiring nearly everyone to buy health insurance by 2013." Umm, go fuck yourself Pelosi. Reply

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myvoice
Oct 29, 09 10:39 AM CDT

Why not? they force us to wear seat belts, motor cycle helmets, were clothes in public. I meant its the American way, force equality on everyone! *sarcasm*

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Netstorm2k9
Oct 29, 09 10:52 AM CDT

Anytime you require someone to spend money simply to stay legal, you create a slave. Lemme put it another way. If, by not spending money, I become a criminal, then my free will is taken away. I have no problem with seat belts and motorcycle helmets. Those are safety measures. Having to pay money for something I don't need, simply to stay out of jail- that's extortion.

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IndependentThinker
Oct 29, 09 10:55 AM CDT

States make seat belt laws, helmet laws and it is legal to walk around naked until someone (not any form of law enforcement) finds it offensive then it is a crime.

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myvoice
Oct 29, 09 11:03 AM CDT

independent... its called a joke!

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Fondue
Oct 29, 09 11:03 AM CDT

Where does it say you will be jailed if you don't get insurance? Has anyone been jailed for not buying mandatory auto insurance?

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myvoice
Oct 29, 09 11:07 AM CDT

Fondue... YES if they drive on public roads with out it and do it multiple times... try driving a car with out insurance. I get the point but its a bad analogy. :)

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hybrid
Oct 29, 09 11:08 AM CDT

@fondue agreed, jail is not an option unless you dont pay your fine for not enrolling and even at that it would take along time and bad fed judge

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Netstorm2k9
Oct 29, 09 11:11 AM CDT

UH, YAH!! But that's not the issue. If you don't want to buy car insurance, don't drive. It's no longer an issue. But if you don't want to buy health insurance...too fucking bad? Anytime there's a law, someone will be jailed for breaking it. Maybe not often, but it will happen. From what I'm hearing, though, they're talking monetary penalties. So, if you can't afford the mandatory insurance premium, they'll take more money from you that you already don't have. Sounds just to me.

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Gallavant
Oct 29, 09 12:48 PM CDT

Netstorm, you've gotta come to terms with the fact that you live in a society. You can't just exist in an individualistic stasis, affecting and affected by nothing. There's a balance sheet.

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Netstorm2k9
Oct 29, 09 1:40 PM CDT

@ gallavant, Just because you don't have the strength of mind to make your own decisions and need the government to tell you how to live your life, doesn't mean the rest of us are so hobbled. Yes, there is a balance sheet, and we're already being used to profit someone else. At some point you have to value yourself enough to stand up. If that's not for you, then go to Britain, they'd be glad to have you.

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myvoice
Oct 29, 09 10:35 AM CDT

$900 billion? Where is going to come from? Reply

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Netstorm2k9
Oct 29, 09 10:37 AM CDT

You. It's all coming from you. Thanks, myvoice!

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myvoice
Oct 29, 09 10:39 AM CDT

no problem im glad i could take in the ass for the team!

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ultramarine13
Oct 29, 09 10:43 AM CDT

Where's the $682,681,366,045 spent on the Iraq coming from? And at least with a health care bill, we'll have something to show for the money.

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myvoice
Oct 29, 09 10:44 AM CDT

so im getting thumbs down for saracsm.... really? No one can make fun of this? Im mean come on people do you really think that Dems are more righteous than rep's in general? Are they all not politicians? I tend to vote moderate but it goes back to yesterday, unless you are on the extreme wings, you will get crap from both sides!

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myvoice
Oct 29, 09 10:49 AM CDT

ultra...then why doesn't the current president get us out of the wars and focus on the health care? I mean we are not a country of endless supply of money. The average person has to prioritize where their money is spent, why doesn't the government?

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hybrid
Oct 29, 09 10:49 AM CDT

ultramarine13....its coming from constitutional alotment....

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ultramarine13
Oct 29, 09 10:56 AM CDT

Perhaps you could explain what you mean, hybrid. My understanding is that it is coming from the defense bills passed each year by Congress. Regardless, it is a major drain on our budget. And, much as I would like us to end our occupation of 2 foreign countries, cutting and running would leave everyone worse off. I'm just Pres. Obama is taking his time to come to a workable solution before acting. And with that. I'm out. Got class.

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Rocket448
Oct 29, 09 10:58 AM CDT

Since the US taxpayer is also familiar with credit card lingo, that's $90billion/yr. Not $900billion/yr. How much did we spend each year on supporting the US presence in Iraq 2003 - 2006? Also, mandatory liability insurance is already in place for automobile owner/operators. I'm not seeing too big a stretch here for mandatory health care insurance.

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hybrid
Oct 29, 09 11:04 AM CDT

ultramarine13..what i mean is that the constitution calls for defence spending

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ultramarine13
Oct 29, 09 2:34 PM CDT

Hybrid, where in the Constitution does it mandate defense spending? Although I will not argue that it is necessary, I found no "constitutional alotment [sic]" for defense in the Constitution. Also, please note that, where it does or does not, the you yourself said this was for defense. So how do we justify the Iraq war as defense? They were barely a threat to their neighbors, let alone us.

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Netstorm2k9
Oct 29, 09 3:22 PM CDT

@Rocket, if you want to drive a car, you expect expenses, such as gas, maintenance, and insurance in case you get in a wreck and damage someone elses car. But if you don't own a car, no one mandates you have to buy car insurance anyway. If I very rarely get sick, why do I have to pay money for services I don't use? What if I'm a doctor, and treat myself? What if I'm diagnosed with cancer and choose not to put myself through a bunch of horrible treatments just to possibly prolong my life a few years? Do I lose that choice now?

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ultramarine13
Oct 29, 09 3:40 PM CDT

Netstorm, if you're diagnosed with cancer you aren't required to go through with treatments if you don't want to. The whole point is to make sure that everyone has the option. Let's consider this scenario. You're diagnosed with thyroid cancer, not very difficult to treat with surgery and low doses of radiation (not chemo), but also at a fairly high cost. But you don't have insurance because you can't afford it, and all of a sudden you're facing with the choice of dying from a relatively benign cancer or going deep into debt in order to pay for the treatment. With a public option, i.e., low cost private insurance made possible by the government, you now have the option of getting the insurance necessary for treatment. Me, I'd prefer a single payer system where every one pays into the system and uses the system as needed.

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Netstorm2k9
Oct 29, 09 4:33 PM CDT

"With a public option, i.e., low cost private insurance made possible by the government, you now have the option of getting the insurance necessary for treatment." Yes, but at what quality? I'd rather go into debt to pay off good work, than have cheap work that leaves me crippled. Would you want to depend on the Post Office, or would you rather pay a few bucks more for Fed-Ex? Even Obama admitted that the Post Office was crap, but he wants to make Medicare mandatory? We're going to end up with the medical version of 1-800- Safe Auto.

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ultramarine13
Oct 29, 09 5:00 PM CDT

Ok, lets talk about quality, Netstorm. In the US we spend about 16% of our GDP on healthcare, which works out to around $2.2 trillion. This is also more than the entire ECONOMIES of all by the 7 highest grossing countries IN THE WORLD. In other words, that's a hell of a lot of money no matter how you look at it. Yet despite the vast amount of money we currently spend on healthcare, we rank 50th in the world in terms of life expectancy, and 46th in terms of infant mortality. Guess what? We are trailing Japan, France, Israel, and many others in both categories, and what do they have in common? Universal health care. So the argument that universal health care HAS TO BE either expensive or low quality is flat wrong. Let's look at Japan, for example. They rank 3rd in life expectancy and 4th in infant mortality in the world, yet spend 8.0% of their GDP, or half (HALF!) of what we spend on healthcare. If that isn't proof that a, our system doesn't work, and b, the right wing argument of cost vs. quality is flat wrong, then nothing is.

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ultramarine13
Oct 29, 09 5:09 PM CDT

Oh, and I forgot to mention that all my stats came from the CIA World Factbook, found through Wikipedia. Criticize if you wish, but the facts are above reproach. Check them out for yourself if you want.

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cedarkey
Oct 29, 09 7:02 PM CDT

From people who work 40+ hrs a week. From the producers. From people who work hard. Anyone who supports plastic-face pelosi and her believes is a evil,sub-human, piece of crap!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Stasis
Oct 29, 09 10:36 AM CDT

Reagan and the Republicans said that Social Security would be the end for the US. They were wrong. They're always wrong... Reply

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hybrid
Oct 29, 09 10:44 AM CDT

yea it worked so well check this out. http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba514

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Reader65069154
Oct 29, 09 2:49 PM CDT

If there's some kind of point you're trying to make, I'd suggest doing it with a government program which isn't going to be bankrupt in 30 years.

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ultramarine13
Oct 29, 09 10:39 AM CDT

"No Republicans are expected to vote for the bill, complaining that it would raise taxes on upper-income earners, and cut Medicare payments to insurers." Doesn't this just say it all? Reply

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polstroad
Oct 29, 09 10:40 AM CDT

The figure misleads. Giving us the cost of the bill does not deal with the lives and the illnesses saved. How much do we spend per year in iraq and Afghanistan? How much is our military budget? How much in tax breaks for the super wealthy? Poor conservatives have nothing to say about reform other than: where will the money come from. You can keep your private insurance if you want it...guess what: privater insurance needs to make a profit so bit makr up of 20 percebnt. Public? non-profit...huge saving for YOU right there. Reply

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hamsammichs
Oct 29, 09 3:12 PM CDT

Ah, the ever relevant Iraq counter. Keep living in the past boys and girls, it's your President that is still in the Middle East, even increasing troop deployment. Bush is a fuck-up but we can't keep pulling that card.

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Pragmaticrealism
Oct 29, 09 10:47 AM CDT

You short-sighted idiots forget the savings that will come from improved health across all demographics. Can't you think about anything other than yourselves?! I'm NOT endorsing this exact bill, but just listen to how myopic you sound. Reply

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hybrid
Oct 29, 09 10:51 AM CDT

funny that you think health will get better just because.

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Doctor_Zaius
Oct 29, 09 10:57 AM CDT

It will for the 35 million people who would not be insured but for this bill.

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hybrid
Oct 29, 09 11:02 AM CDT

what about the other 275 million

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Pragmaticrealism
Oct 29, 09 11:26 AM CDT

well, hybrid, unless your doctor is suddenly put out of business by the public option, I think you would see the same doctor as you always have. this stuff isn't radical.

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Ucantusethatname
Oct 29, 09 10:52 AM CDT

Raise taxes, cut heath benefits for seniors. Atta girl, Nancy. This is crap not change. This is health care conform not reform. Reply

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Doctor_Zaius
Oct 29, 09 11:04 AM CDT

You missed a few Republican talking points. Maybe you should go over your notes and post again.

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polytricks
Oct 29, 09 11:23 AM CDT

This is ridiculous!!! We have to buy health insurance at the barrel of a gun?? What the hell?? Reply

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Pragmaticrealism
Oct 29, 09 11:28 AM CDT

Ummm I'm sure you will NOT be shot, or locked up, if you do not invest in your own health insurance.

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Doctor_Zaius
Oct 29, 09 11:43 AM CDT

If they have to shoot you to get insurance would that be considered a preexisting condition?

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polytricks
Oct 31, 09 9:50 PM CDT

@Pragmatic - "Barrel of a gun" was a metaphor. I apologize for the confusion. However, there will be financial penalties. Ex) What if someone cannot afford to purchase health insurance, and what if that person cannot afford to pay the penalty for not purchasing health insurance? That hardly seems like an increase in choice. When we think of choice, we refer only to deciding which company to select as a health insurance provider. However, "choice" also should include not purchasing health insurance at all.

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luvboxer
Oct 29, 09 11:24 AM CDT

The dems are about to make history in this country. It is so sad that the republican party is acted like idiots. I hope to God they get this done our country is in dire need of healthcare reform.. I don't see how anyone cannot vote for this and go home and tell their people that they voted NO! Healtchare for all!!!! It is time. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! Reply

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luvboxer
Oct 29, 09 11:27 AM CDT

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE. WE SPENT BILLIONS ON A WORTHLESS WAR BASED ON LIES...THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS NO QUALM ABOUT SPENDING MONEY ON WARS...BUT THE H....WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND HEALTCARE.. I DON'T CARE WHAT IT COSTS WE NEED IT. Reply

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Pragmaticrealism
Oct 29, 09 11:29 AM CDT

NO!! ONLY SICK PEOPLE NEED IT!!!! (jk)

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hamsammichs
Oct 29, 09 3:14 PM CDT

I'M SO ANGRY THAT BUSH STARTED A WAR 6 YEARS AGO, SO ANGRY IN FACT THAT I WILL BRING IT UP IN ANY POLITICAL DISCUSSION.

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polstroad
Oct 29, 09 11:31 AM CDT

FACT" America spends (at present) TWICE as muich on average per person as any nation IN The Wiorld. FACT: our average life expectancy ranks America as 50th nation in the world!! why is that, do you think? Reply

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davjc09
Oct 29, 09 11:47 AM CDT

Because Americans don't respect their bodies enough to know that maybe it's not in their best interest to eat that 4th cheeseburger from McDonald's. This country is becoming more and more obese, then they expect the government to pay for their bypass surgery that they could have easily prevented by eating a salad instead of stuffing their face a couple of thousand times. And even passing a $900 trillion bill wouldn't change the fact that Americans are lazy and don't care enough about their health until something is really wrong with them.

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KennyBoy
Oct 29, 09 12:32 PM CDT

@dav The beauty of having a career in health care or health insurance is that sooner or later everyone becomes ill, it's part of life for everyone. So since it happens to everyone eventually we can band together and take care of one another at cost or we can hire someone to administer health care for as much money as they can skim off. And here's an idea you'll love, put much more money into education and maybe many more people will make the choices you want them to make.

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davjc09
Oct 29, 09 12:42 PM CDT

My point was that the lack of access for a portion of our country is not the reason for our terrible health numbers aren't because we can't get to the doctor. It's because of personal choice and lack of motivation of the individuals. Our society has gotten so used to technology making things easier that we have lost any motivation to do anything that requires real effort. We want quick fixes to our health problems. Providing healthcare and education to all will not fix the underlying problem that our 35% obesity rate. Doctors have been preaching proper diet and exercise for years, but that doesn't change people's actions.

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KennyBoy
Oct 29, 09 1:22 PM CDT

@dav I must disagree, access to preventative care can add years to one's life. An educated person understands why they should act to prevent problems and is more likely to be able economically to care for themselves. These are all things that can be measured. Your opinion that these problems are caused by the moral failings of others can not.

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davjc09
Oct 29, 09 2:19 PM CDT

I agree with your premise but would add one qualifier. People will more likely listen to their doctors 'preventive care' advice, if it's convenient for them. While obesity is prevalent more in less educated people, obesity is increasing rapidly in ALL education levels (CDC). That includes people who *gasp* actually have insurance. I'm all for reform, but it will not do much to increase life expectancy and reduce costs if people don't become proactive in their health (instead of waiting until they have massive heart attack and need fixing).

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emptycalm
Oct 29, 09 11:41 AM CDT

hooray capitalism Reply

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Jayster999
Oct 29, 09 11:53 AM CDT

What a nightmare. Welcome to serfdom folks, courtesy of the New World Order, and their boy, Barry O. Reply

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Fondue
Oct 29, 09 12:24 PM CDT

Here's Pelosi's bill. The PO starts on pg.211: http://health.burgess.house.gov/UploadedFiles/House_HCR_bill.pdf Reply

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davjc09
Oct 29, 09 12:47 PM CDT

No bailouts. So we can't just pour money into it to keep it solvent.

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Fondue
Oct 29, 09 1:20 PM CDT

I liked that.

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polstroad
Oct 29, 09 12:44 PM CDT

ah, so much money! and yet, all that over ten years when yesterday the President--with a cut back miliotary budget, much to the annoyance of many in con gress, passed http://intelligencenews.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/first-post34.jpg?w=106&h=142 that amount! and that does not even include what we send in aid to those countries at war (and many at peace)...yet conservatives carp ab out health costs for our fellow Americans!!! Reply

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polstroad
Oct 29, 09 12:45 PM CDT

sorry: wrong copy/paste. should have been 680 billion http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/29/business/29defense.html Reply

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Fondue
Oct 29, 09 1:40 PM CDT

pg. 267 SEC. 347 No Federal Payment For Undocumented Aliens Reply

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Reader65069154
Oct 29, 09 2:56 PM CDT

Enforced by who and what mechanism? All the idle INS agents? Is there going to be an agent at every ER and clinic in the US to put the sick alien on a jet back to his or her country?

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Fondue
Oct 29, 09 5:21 PM CDT

You don't seem to understand what the PO is. It is an insurance policy. Tell me, can an undocumented alien use your private policy? Your Medicare? The PO is a policy that qualified individuals have to apply for. Might I suggest, since you don't understand, go to the link and begin reading on page 211. http://health.burgess.house.gov/UploadedFiles/House_HCR_bill.pdf

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Jayster999
Oct 29, 09 1:47 PM CDT

I seriously wish this bitch would drop dead. Reply

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Caps
Oct 29, 09 2:10 PM CDT

Watch it Jayster, aren't you suppose to be a christian?

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kyleleitch
Oct 29, 09 2:10 PM CDT

NOnononononono!!! THIS is not reform. Reform would be allowing people to use the 'temporary' programs infinitely and funding them. The PUBLIC OPTION. Reply

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godawgs
Oct 29, 09 2:37 PM CDT

here is the bill http://health.burgess.house.gov/UploadedFiles/House_HCR_bill.pdf Reply

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chas_m
Oct 29, 09 8:14 PM CDT

Meanwhile, the rest of the industrialised world, with our higher average lifespan, better physical condition, lower infant mortality rates, etc etc ... are laughing. Reply

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