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—for Democrats

'Going Rogue' boosts Dem fundraising to new high

Nov 21, 09 6:50 AM CST
demagogue alert

Lawmaker Paints Target on Barack Obama's Back

Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert panders to dangerous paranoids

Nov 21, 09 9:08 AM CST
Billboard Links Obama to Jihad

Colo. car dealership wants this opinion heard

Nov 20, 09 8:42 PM CST
HE'S GOT A BOOK OUT, TOO

Beck to Unveil
'Big Plan' at
Saturday Rally

Righty pundit OK with destroying Dems and GOP

Nov 20, 09 8:07 PM CST
the big plan

Beck Will Host Conventions
to Educate America

He's shifting toward political organizer, plans big DC rally

Nov 21, 09 5:06 PM CST
Senate Democrats Clear
Health Care Hurdle, 60-39

Reid gets 60 votes to open full debate after Thanksgiving recess

Nov 21, 09 7:13 PM CST
Neglected Ind. Fans Boo Palin

Hecklers accuse her of 'quitting on the job'

Nov 20, 09 3:50 PM CST
Reid Gets 60th Vote:
Holdout Lincoln Agrees

She'll allow health care bill to move forward; vote at 8pm

Nov 21, 09 1:51 PM CST
Obama's Stimulus Finally
Gets Some Respect

Warring economists agree that it has helped—if not enough

Nov 21, 09 6:21 AM CST
Limbaugh's Wrong: Gallup's Obama Approval Below 50%

New survey is latest disappointment for President

Nov 20, 09 2:03 PM CST
showtime: 8pm

All Eyes on Blanche Lincoln in Cliffhanger Senate Vote

Mary Landrieu and Ben Nelson expected to back health reform in first vote

Nov 21, 09 7:24 AM CST
SURPRISE, SURPRISE

Sullivan Back; Still Hates Palin

Calls her book 'manifesto for the imagined life'

Nov 19, 09 8:49 PM CST
India Miffed By Obama's Bond With Beijing

Perceived slights complicate PM Singh's DC visit next week

Nov 20, 09 6:30 PM CST

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JONAH GOLDBERG

Conservatives Aren't Crazy, They Just Want Their Turn

8 years of Bush didn't count

By Kevin Spak| Posted Nov 3, 09 12:53 PM CST|

(Newser) – Don’t listen to the liberals telling you the right is crazy and going to heck in a handbasket. The reality is far simpler: “After 15 or 20 years of steady moderation, many conservatives think it might be time to give their ideas a try,” writes Jonah Goldberg of the Los Angeles Times. George W. Bush wasn’t a real conservative, he argues, but a “compassionate” one, meaning a free-spending moderate.

Bush oversaw the biggest education spending increase in history. He created the prescription drug benefit, the biggest new entitlement since the Great Society. He increased regulation with Sarbanes-Oxley. And oh yeah, he initiated the first bailouts and the TARP. Some of those may have been defensible moves, but they weren’t conservative ones. Then Republicans rolled out John McCain, another “unorthodox and inconsistent conservative.” Well, conservatives are sick of moderates, Goldberg writes. Sorry, Dede Scozzafava, they want real conservatives.

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Former U.S. President George W. Bush waves upon his arrival at Narita International Airport in Narita near Tokyo, Japan, Tuesday, Nov. 3, 2009 for a two-day visit. (AP Photo/Koji Sasahara)

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Conservatives have had to not only put up with a lot of moderation and ideological flexibility, we've had to endure nearly a decade of taunting from gargoyles insisting that the GOP is run by crazed radicals. - Jonah Goldberg

With Obama racing to transform America into a European welfare state fueled by terrifying deficit spending, this seems like a good moment to argue for limited government. - Jonah Goldberg

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Reader64481089
Nov 3, 09 12:58 PM CST

"Eight years of Bush didn't count"...To hell it didn't, tell that to the economy that 8 years of that madman didn't count Reply

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pwnage
Nov 3, 09 1:07 PM CST

Well I took that as being the point of the opinion - those eight years are part of a sum labeled conservatism, but they want to distance themselves from it because

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Wonka
Nov 3, 09 1:09 PM CST

George W. Bush: Proof that conservative ideology is a failure. I love the hypocrisy of righties. They touted W. as a champion of conservatism in 2000. Then, when he nearly destroyed the nation, they try to sell him out. Face it righties, you own W. and the mess he made.

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Wonka
Nov 3, 09 1:18 PM CST

And yes, conservatives are crazy. For proof, see Sarah Palin.

+21

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davjc09
Nov 3, 09 1:55 PM CST

GWB initially ran as a conservative. He governed completely different, spending money faster than you could spend it. To hell with that guy.

+11

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Yourself
Nov 3, 09 7:20 PM CST

@davjc09 - i didn't see any "conservatives" complaining then. Now that they realize he IS the reason for their failure they have no problem blaming him? i call that hypocrisy.

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Toon
Nov 4, 09 7:49 AM CST

davjc, I agree that he didn't govern like a pre-Nixon conservative, yet after 4 years of seeing how he did govern he still had the overwhelming support of conservatives.You guys voted for the wrong guy in 2004 and now are trying to weasel out of the consequences of your actions. The sad thing is that the popularity of Palin just shows that the only thing you learn from having Bush as president is to not acknowledge your mistakes.

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BleeBloo
Nov 4, 09 11:45 AM CST

Moreover, Bush was a social conservative, supporting abstinence-only sex ed, putting through DOMA, etc. Sorry conservatives, you had your chance and you voted in an incompetent one of your fellows. Vote smarter next time.

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cochiserocks
Nov 3, 09 1:05 PM CST

An interesting argument, if a little scary. Nothing can really go backwards - you can't un-invent things or return to mythical golden age - Luddite politics can only offer historically accurate but currently irrelevant solutions. It's about learning from history - not repeating it. If conservatism has evolved - it has evolved for a reason - what's next? bring back the East India company and the doctrine of manifest destiny because it made life simpler? I'm also a bit confused by the 'they want a turn' thing. This is running a country, not sharing a bike. Reply

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dax
Nov 3, 09 3:32 PM CST

good post cochiserocks

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kirby
Nov 3, 09 1:06 PM CST

I wasn't much for Bush but sure didn't throw money around like Obama is. Reply

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 3, 09 1:11 PM CST

Could we wait and see on that? Obama is forcing a lot of cost neutral legislation that may pay off. In any case, GWB presided over the greatest increase in public debt in the history of civilization during his 8 years. Let me know if you want a news citation.

+17

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Toon
Nov 3, 09 1:51 PM CST

kirby didn't you pay attention to the news. Under Bush we literally shipped pallets of cash to Iraq and lost track of it. I mean real live stacks of bills piled on to pallets and loaded on to planes with no record of what happened next. Obama may be trying to spend his way out of the mess Bush made but even if it doesn't work roads will have been repaired and paychecks issued to Americans.

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thejoint00
Nov 3, 09 3:18 PM CST

face/toon-- yea I heard that the legislation is cost neutral and that Obama will be making plans to get americans jobs. but the cost neutrality of it is increased taxes not less spending. Jobless rates have been riseing over the last year and the prediction is that they will continue to go up.I'm not a fan of the deficit increases. However, Obama's bailout was even bigger than the tarp, and Obama has signed off on at least 2 multi billion addages to the deficit including banks and car industry vs the contraversial AIG. Obama's policies seem like endless credit card spending and bouncing balance transfers. in the end we just end up owing a lot of money and we have nothing (not even FDR's roads) to show for it.

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Count-Spatula
Nov 3, 09 7:05 PM CST

And what do you advise for a culture handed to him in collapse by the incomptenet Bush? ...for two industries in freefall (banking housing) dragging the nation into he toilet? prayer? pixie dust? Dems usually have to clean up after irresponsible, morally loathsome righties.

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vwright1
Nov 4, 09 10:10 AM CST

The money Bush "threw around" went to his cronies. At the very least, Obama is trying to improve the general standard of living for the increasingly large lower classes by spending some of OUR money on us. Most of us have been screwed royal over the last eight years.

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 3, 09 1:09 PM CST

Conservs got behind GB like crazy. They just didn't like what they helped into the Whitehouse, but didn't say a word as long as it was not a Democrat. Now they want a do over. Reply

+13

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foodchain11
Nov 3, 09 2:58 PM CST

Exactly! Tom DeLay? Dick Armey? Saxby Chambliss? DeMint? Orrin Hatch? Well, the list goes on, but THEY ARE CONSERVATIVES and they REQUESTED AND APPROVED the expenditures. And when will the GOP give up on "trickle down"? It's why they cut taxes and it doesn't work--unless you need 50 years

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 3, 09 1:12 PM CST

And the ongoing struggle between the turd-polishers and the throw-under-the-buss brigade continues. Keep in mind these same people were telling us how W would go down as one of the greatest presidents ever just 2 short years ago. This has more to do with distancing themselves from the Bush Legacy than actual ideology. Reply

+14

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cedarkey
Nov 3, 09 2:06 PM CST

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-19

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 3, 09 2:30 PM CST

What planet do you live on, I live on Earth.

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dax
Nov 3, 09 3:36 PM CST

@cedarkey --- throwing $1Trillion dollars at Iraq/Afghanistan thereby transferring some serious cheddar to your "homies" over at Halli is hardly fiscally conservative.

+11

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tomodachi
Nov 3, 09 1:17 PM CST

Only the weak of brain power would listen to this BS and agree with it. It’s obviously nothing but Jedi mind tricks. “Those were not the Republicans you’re looking for.” “Move along.” Reply

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 3, 09 2:02 PM CST

Always have to thumb up a "Jedi mind trick" reference.

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d3wd
Nov 3, 09 2:48 PM CST

The entire left-right paradigm is a Jedi mind trick.

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GlennH
Nov 3, 09 1:35 PM CST

If they think there are conservative ideas yet to try after Bush's eight solid years of failure, then they really are crazy. Reply

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DJM420
Nov 3, 09 1:44 PM CST

they are really crazy...

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dax
Nov 3, 09 4:45 PM CST

GlennH --- exactly. The most "conservative" thing that they could do now, is conserve their ongoing influence on the future well being of this society and reconsider where and how their policies have harmed a nation.

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vwright1
Nov 4, 09 10:15 AM CST

What is it called when you keep doing the same thing and expecting a different answer? Mmm..

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in_your_eye
Nov 3, 09 1:37 PM CST

If the 8 years didn't count, why did you cheerlead the entire time? Reply

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Snarfeh
Nov 3, 09 4:13 PM CST

^5!!! Awesome point!!!

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Caps
Nov 3, 09 1:45 PM CST

Ole Georgie Boy sure got this country in one hell-of-a mess. It adds up to one big failure when this brain death went into office. Reply

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Thinker
Nov 3, 09 1:50 PM CST

Conservatives saying they want "a turn" at running the country is like the decade of the 1950s saying it wants a turn at history. Conservatives, by definition, are against change. Unfortunately, that means they are against growth and against improvement. When will people learn you cannot "successfully" go back in time ... you can only regress. Reply

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KennyBoy
Nov 3, 09 1:52 PM CST

The thing is, you see, conservatives are never wrong. Just ask them, they'll tell you, they have never made a mistake. It's become pretty clear Bush screwed up a lot of stuff so he couldn't have been a conservative. Reply

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freethemall
Nov 3, 09 6:55 PM CST

Well put.

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freethemall
Nov 3, 09 1:57 PM CST

George W. Bush was conservative in that he cut taxes, but liberal in that he increased government spending. This turned out to be a disastrous combination. The pity is, that until it comes time to pay the piper, so to speak, such a course is popular. The same thing has been happening in the state of California for decades. Reply

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Rocket448
Nov 3, 09 2:43 PM CST

It is definitely foolish to increase spending while cutting taxes, but I disagree that Mr. Bush was a liberal one way and a conservative the other. Why is cutting taxes conservative? Its stupid, given the state of the economy and the gap between the haves and have-nots, but wouldn't a true conservative raise taxes on the wealthiest (who are also those most able to afford a tax hike) AND cut spending (by making programs revenue neutral and cutting waste, for example)? And isn't that what Mr. Obama is attempting to do, once the economy settles down? It seems as though it is.

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thejoint00
Nov 3, 09 3:29 PM CST

raising taxes on the rich for government gain is a liberal idea not a conservitave idea. Ideally there has always been an argument between small government/big business and big government/small bussiness. this administrations seems to be leaning toward big government/big bussiness a deadly combination that is and will leave many family broken and devestated.

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Antiks
Nov 3, 09 6:25 PM CST

Conservatives have always increased spending -- look at Reagan, Bush I, and Shrub. Nuff said.

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Toon
Nov 4, 09 8:18 AM CST

I would favor big government to balance the power of big business. Without a strong government big business will bully individuals both by mistreating workers and by defrauding costumers. The problem with the conservative obsession with government size is that the real issue is good government. If the government is ethical and acts in the interest of citizens then the benefits of taxation flow back to the citizens. It shouldn't be question of how much is spend but what the money is spent on.

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Toon
Nov 3, 09 1:59 PM CST

I do think the a lot of the rank and file conservatives do want 'a turn.' They really believe trickle down works and don't under stand why none of the billions thrown at the corporations and the wealthy never made it down to them. Reply

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Count-Spatula
Nov 3, 09 7:06 PM CST

Their ignorance of logic is not my burden.

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Toon
Nov 4, 09 8:19 AM CST

It is when enough of the vote for a Reagan or a Bush.

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cvgreen
Nov 3, 09 2:14 PM CST

Conservatives don't really know what they are - they throw around the label - use the phrase "liberal" like it is a dirty word, attack Obama by calling him names and things like "socialist" without a clue. This stems in part from the fact they embrace anti-intellectualism. Bush was conservative on social policy, conservative on foreign policy and moderate on economic policy. He appointed incredibly conservative judges and had the backing of a conservative congress for most of his years in office. Conservatives controlled all three branches of government for 6 of the 8 years Bush was in office. Reply

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Cat-Lover
Nov 3, 09 2:36 PM CST

According to the philosophy espoused by true conservatism (starting back in the Robert Taft days), the United States wouldn't exist within two years of conservative rule! Reply

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dj-spellchecka
Nov 3, 09 2:47 PM CST

did i miss the memo that said "trickle down" economics and preemptive foreign policy AREN'T conservative ideas? Reply

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objectivemind
Nov 3, 09 2:50 PM CST

conservatives are like folks in Iran...they want a country ruled by religion...and so why dont they just move there or Pakistan, they can live in that environments and fight those they started fights with now directly and leave us all out of it as it has no place here in the US. Reply

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Observer
Nov 3, 09 3:07 PM CST

Correcto

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Observer
Nov 3, 09 2:58 PM CST

The conservatives are misnamed - they are fundamentalist fanatic freaks. They oppose civil rights. They oppose equality. They oppose abortions. They oppose health care. They oppose freedom of thought and choice. They promote religious dogma. They are racist. They are puritanical. They are hypocritical. They are liars. They are wrong. F the conservatives. Reply

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thejoint00
Nov 3, 09 3:48 PM CST

Thank you for all of the prejudice generalizations and media driven hatred that indicate you are a one of those so called conservative people that you speak ill of. Comments like yours are by far the most conservative comments that liberals can make. They have nothing to do with policies or ideas; they are tactless weapons of hatred toward your fellow Americans. I hope you can find it in your heart to be more accepting of all American walks of life including minorities where ever you might find them.

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citygirl
Nov 3, 09 4:32 PM CST

Yep!!!! They are all that and should be called religious fundamentalists instead.

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DarkFrancis
Nov 3, 09 3:04 PM CST

Just as the word liberal has been corrupted to a large extent in America, so will follow, IS following conservative. Anyone with a brain knows that liberal does not mean socialist and conservative does not mean fascist. Both are moderate, one slightly to the left and one slightly to the right. But of course, we live in a world of extremes, hyperbole and stupidity. Reply

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 3, 09 9:28 PM CST

To be honest, I would welcome the return of the William F Buckleys and the Barry Goldwaters. At least they had a core philosophy that made some sense. What we have now on the right is a race to see who can take the more insane, crazy stance.

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dax
Nov 3, 09 3:31 PM CST

"They [Conservatives] just want their turn." --- get in line. Reply

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thejoint00
Nov 3, 09 3:52 PM CST

hooray for more spending on education! Reply

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CenterIndependant
Nov 3, 09 3:56 PM CST

with all this foolishness the conservatives are pulling it will be a cold day in hell when most independents start voting for the right. I think we are seeing the republican party slowly dying and 2 separate parties emerging from it. Seems like all they do is fight with them selves and the rest of the country. Reply

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thejoint00
Nov 3, 09 4:00 PM CST

Hooray for Sarbanes-Oxley! Protect the investors first. Reply

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Snarfeh
Nov 3, 09 4:16 PM CST

The only thing they deserve another turn at is tapping their toes in a bathroom stall. Maybe they will get their signals right the second time. Reply

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Jayster999
Nov 3, 09 5:49 PM CST

Bush is a neo-con, far removed from an actual conservative. Reply

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yummines
Nov 3, 09 6:07 PM CST

hey, if you're going to say your are on a side, at least be consistent. The most important thing for me is consistency, if you are not consistent then you are hypocritical and confused. People are trying to say that "Oh Bush wasn't a real conservative" because they don't want the major screw-ups that Bush did to be associated with the conservative group. yet by doing this all that they are doing is revealing their hypocrisy. If you supported Bush back then, at least state that you did, and not that he was not a "real conservative." being a consistent idiot is better than being a hypocritical idiot. Reply

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Jayster999
Nov 3, 09 6:14 PM CST

I didn't vote for Bush. Many of those who did felt like he was the lesser of two evils. With both parties fronting CFR candidates, it's pretty nigh impossible to get a president who will initiate any real change. Bush took us further down the road to despotism, just as his successor is. The money boys usually get what they pay for.

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yummines
Nov 3, 09 6:31 PM CST

makes sense, i didn't think you voted for Bush. However those who did and now are calling him "fake" are fake themselves. There are smart people on both sides and dumb people on both sides. so, Hypocrite: someone who voted for Bush and rejects him after someone tells him that it was Bush's fault the economy is bad after cheer-leading him on for his 8 year presidency.

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Jayster999
Nov 3, 09 6:38 PM CST

Do you not understand the difference between neo-cons and libertarian/constitutionalist conservatives? That's like saying there's no difference between a garden-variety democrat and a Marxist. Lots of "conservatives" were very unhappy with Dubya. Again, for many, they felt like he was the lesser of two evils.

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yummines
Nov 3, 09 6:45 PM CST

i understand Jayster, there are good conservatives and bad conservatives. shouldn't that be obvious that there are those who think clear on any political party? (when i mean think clear i mean uses logic, reasoning, and is consistent.) I'm just saying that those who voted for him and then are condemning him are hypocritical, not conservatives in general.

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Jayster999
Nov 3, 09 7:09 PM CST

Not necessarily. To some extent, electing a president is like buying a pig in a poke. There are undoubtedly many democrats who voted for BHO who are regretting their choice. Bush let a lot of people down, not simply the American left who hated him from the get-go. The die-hard Bushies are still defending him, and the genuine conservatives never did.

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 4, 09 7:02 AM CST

I don't know anyone who voted for Obama who is now wishing for MCain.

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Count-Spatula
Nov 3, 09 7:00 PM CST

Let me assure you, the right is fucking crazy. Reply

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Shannonals
Nov 3, 09 8:07 PM CST

Let me correct you, both the Left AND Right have nutcases. Let's not start becoming hypocrites and leave out conservatives because they have their share of nutcases.

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Toon
Nov 4, 09 8:30 AM CST

The left and the right may have nutcases, but the nutcases on the right are elected to prominent offices and given high profile media jobs and have thousands of parishioners.

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Spudsy
Nov 3, 09 10:29 PM CST

So why did these right wingnuts vote for Bush. Thanks for nothing, you idiots. Reply

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