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Man Pops Question During Gay Marriage Hearing

See, Kanye, this is an interruption the crowd actually liked

By Kevin Spak| Posted Nov 6, 09 2:15 PM CST|

(Newser) – A stuffy DC city council hearing might not be most people’s idea of a romantic place to get engaged, but maybe the chance to be a YouTube celebrity made it all worth it for Andy Hertzberg and Andy Rollman. That, or they were hoping to drum up sympathy for the cause of gay marriage, which both were there to give public testimony about. Either way, it worked.

Mediaite compares Hertzberg to Kanye West, but it actually was his turn to speak. Most people who saw the stunt seemed to approve, including most of the council. But a few, naturally, were outraged. “I have never!” sputtered one gay marriage opponent. “For something like this to happen in the council chamber… there’s no respect!”

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Wonka
Nov 6, 09 2:17 PM CST

But a few, naturally, were outraged. Yeah, they're called bigots. Reply

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jamerican
Nov 6, 09 2:45 PM CST

Disgusting as usual to all of us normal Americans...must be a lot of pervs that work for Newser.

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Thinker
Nov 6, 09 2:49 PM CST

What's normal?

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kokuaguy
Nov 6, 09 2:54 PM CST

"Normal" is a setting on my clothes dryer.

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Wonka
Nov 6, 09 2:55 PM CST

@jamerican - "normal" Americans were disgusted when blacks started going to all white schools. "normal" Americans were disgusted when women got the right to vote. "normal" Americans were disgusted when slavery was outlawed and blacks were made full citizens with the right to vote in this country. Yeah, there are a lot of "normal" Americans who are disgusted when minority groups want equal rights.

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paul123
Nov 6, 09 3:24 PM CST

and how do you catogorize the outrage felt toward the "bigots". I call B.S.

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Wonka
Nov 6, 09 4:56 PM CST

@paul123 - "how do you catogorize the outrage felt towards the "bigots'"? Not sure how you inferred any outrage from my comments. Just stating reality. People who want to deny other people rights because they are different are bigots. If you want to deny homosexual people the right to marry because you believe they are wrong and they are NOT entitled to equal rights as heteros, than you are a bigot. Oh, and if there are those who are "outraged" at the bigots, I would categorize it as being PATRIOTIC.

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Nixon
Nov 6, 09 10:20 PM CST

I cannot believe the hypocricy from Wonka who sees himself as the moral compass that we all should follow. You so LIBERAL with the usage of the word bigot that you fail to realise you the bigot in this case. You continue to bring up racial issues which have no relevance to this event or even the underlying issue. The real problem here is that an oppurtunist used the hearing as a way to spread his agenda and violated the chamber in the process. As the first woman interviewed said "theres no respect". Oh and by the way wasnt she black and in opposition of gay marriage? Shouldnt she realise that slavery and segregation are interconnected with this issue? Yes thats right you are intollerant of anyone of opposing views, therefore by definition you are a bigot.

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Fondue
Nov 7, 09 9:48 AM CST

@ paul, Free The Bigots - They have suffered long enough!

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MoodyMommy
Nov 6, 09 2:21 PM CST

Two people who love each other are willing to make a commitment to each other in front of witnesses. For shame (add sarcasm here)! Reply

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kokuaguy
Nov 6, 09 2:55 PM CST

Sarcasm duly noted .... ; ^)

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Count-Spatula
Nov 6, 09 2:23 PM CST

I'm gay (a different type of gay) and I find this soooo fruity, and heteronormative. I wish them well though. Reply

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Rocket448
Nov 6, 09 2:23 PM CST

If the thought of one man loving another physically makes you ill, then DON'T THINK ABOUT IT! Just get over yourselves already. Reply

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Snarfeh
Nov 6, 09 2:46 PM CST

Some of them can't help it. It's why they are so bothered by it. They keep thinking about it and thinking about it and thinking about it and thinking about it....they just can't stop thinking about it....

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Thinker
Nov 6, 09 2:52 PM CST

The thought of anyone having sex with a conservative right-winger makes me want to vomit. Gross! I mean, can you imagine? Every time one of them speaks to me face to face, I start to itch and have to bathe to get the slimy feeling out of my skin.

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Nixon
Nov 6, 09 10:24 PM CST

Not the issue, its a violation of the chamber all for the purpose of spreading an agenda. By the way it aint right for anyone to behave in that fashion in that envioment.

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Hip
Nov 7, 09 7:24 AM CST

Very funny thinker. Good one!

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vwsmurfy
Nov 6, 09 2:40 PM CST

That is so gay. Reply

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Snarfeh
Nov 6, 09 2:46 PM CST

Only a gay would know....

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Netstorm2k9
Nov 6, 09 4:00 PM CST

After your 'twofer' remark on another thread, every single thing you say, vwsmurfy, is automatically despicable. Enjoy your free speech.

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Cat-Lover
Nov 6, 09 3:23 PM CST

When I masturbate, does that make me a "mono-gay?" Reply

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Netstorm2k9
Nov 6, 09 3:54 PM CST

LOL. I'm technically a lesbian trapped in a man's body. Speaking of semantics, is a white man who emigrates to the US from South Africa an 'African-American?"

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kokuaguy
Nov 6, 09 4:01 PM CST

I thought I was the only one. Let's start a support group. : ^)

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Snarfeh
Nov 6, 09 4:27 PM CST

That's an interesting thought there, Cat. I'm gonna vote no because that would make everyone gay and I don't want everyone to be gay. I really can't handle the idea of mrsk being gay...

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Snarfeh
Nov 7, 09 8:58 PM CST

@ Net and K-guy - I suspect a vast majority of het males are lesbians trapped in a man's body. Since a majority would make it common, no support groups for you. ;o)

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Netstorm2k9
Nov 6, 09 3:58 PM CST

My opinion is relatively simple. If you can't breed, then it's not normal. Also, consider this- rocket said that if it bothers you, then look away. But look at the media. There's homosexual behavior on almost all the shows. So now I can't watch tv? Propaganda is still propaganda, even if you happen to agree with it. What gets me is that a lot of people say they agree with it simply so they won't be lambasted by their friends. That's not fair. Freedom of conscience should be freedom from coercion. Reply

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kokuaguy
Nov 6, 09 4:08 PM CST

What are these people who are in fear of their "friends" being coerced into doing? I can understand parents who may be concerned about what (if anything) their children will be taught in school about attitudes toward traditional marriage, and the "non-traditional" state sanctioned relationships between same sex couples. But the discussion needs to be engaged in, and policies need to be in place in schools to prevent bullying and discrimination against "gay" teens and children from non-traditional homes, including homes in which there is only one parent. If I had a daughter in high school I would definitely want her to be exposed to the downsides of single parenting (as well as the need to be tolerant toward and supportive of girls who find themselves in that situation.)

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Netstorm2k9
Nov 6, 09 4:19 PM CST

They're being peer-pressured into agreeing with something they secretly find reprehensible, so that their friends don't give them shit by calling them 'intolerant.' I wish our society was less intolerant of dissenting opinions.

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IndyRick
Nov 6, 09 4:53 PM CST

My opinion is relatively simple. If you can't breed, then it's not normal. So, folks (of which I am one) who are unable to have children biologically are "not normal"? wow.

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Nixon
Nov 6, 09 10:43 PM CST

The liberal agenda continues to be pushed from most sources. Right now more people disagree with gay marriage than those that agree yet the media makes out like prop 8 in California was a contraversial outcome. People who are moderate or conservative only have a few people to speak for them. Generally these people are hardly considered cool (but being cool shouldnt be a factor in politics) anyways hollywood is full of outspoken liberals they affect kids and teens opinions and influence them to what they 'should' believe. Pollicies dont prevent discrimination they only discouage it. Kids are bullied all the time in reality you cant stop it and how hard can you punish a kid that doesnt know better. The sad thing is that this is when most of the damage will be done.

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Hip
Nov 7, 09 7:37 AM CST

"Most people" didn't want Jackie Robinson to play in the major leagues...and they were wrong. "Most people" didn't want Rosa Parks in the front of the bus...and they were wrong. Gays and lesbians are human beings for f-sakes...let them get married. I bet you they'll stay married longer than "normal" (Jamerican's word) couples. And who cares if they can't procreate? Last time I checked the human race isn't looking to up their numbers...

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Nixon
Nov 8, 09 1:22 AM CST

"Most people" people believe murderers should be punished they belive also in freedom. Most people arn't always wrong generally their right on most things. You discredit yourself when you say that you "bet you they'll stay married longer than normal couples". Thats not even relevant and is incorrect. Stats show higher divorce rates for homosexual marriages but thats not important. Just shows your bias and that you have little to no understanding of the issue. Simply being a human being doesnt entitle you to marriage. Theres differnces in homosexual and heterosexual relationships distinctions must be made for the sake of the children. Just like women and men are differnet but equal, straight and gay relationships are to. Full marriage 'equality' will result in PC BS about IVF and Surrogacy and whether its discrimination to deny those rights to gay married couples. Im guessing that if gay marriage ever passes this will be the next step. Plenty of kids will be created dont worry about that so gay marriage will increase birth rates not lower them, but thats not really important. If we get to the point where gay couples are considered equal in that their inability to concieve together is treated like heterosexuals and not a biological mismatch this whole political correctness thing has gone to far. Also suitable heterosexual couples should be given preference over adoption to homosexuals and singles because of the complementry nature of masculine and feminine characteristics in heterosexual parents. Also I do not want to see the homosexual agenda pushed in schools, acknowledgement is ok but if sex ed becomes devoted to all sexualities we will probably do some damage. If equal marriage rights are given I doubt the gay agenda will end here further pushes will be made this is the obvious direction for things to head. However if disctinctions are made and all the gay community really wants is the title of marriage then I have no objection.

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IndyRick
Nov 6, 09 4:54 PM CST

Oooops, I forgot the quotation for the first part of my comment. Of course, I'm not normal so it doesn't matter. :) Reply

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Netstorm2k9
Nov 6, 09 10:33 PM CST

That's not the same, and you know it. I'm not referring to people with fertility problems. Just because two individuals have problems conceiving doesn't mean the rest of the population is so restricted. However, you will NEVER see two homosexuals, without invitro or surrogacy, with only the genetic material they two possess, and the biological organs they possess, breed. Do you see my point?

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Nixon
Nov 6, 09 11:25 PM CST

Netstorm i understand your point 100%, you tell that to liberal thell just talk about infertiles. Basically if gay marriage is allowed where going to have this beyond rediculous situation where gay couple will have full access to IVF and surrogacy with the taxpayer supporting them. Thell claim that there a fully married couple and have the right to have a baby etc. This will just further push the view the gay couples are just like heterosexual couples and that just like straight couple we should help them have a child. Those clinics are for people who thought they might be able to concieve with there partner, they are unusual and unfortuante in that regard. The clinics will be unable to deny assisting gay couples due to discrimination laws and the fact that they are legally married just like nearly all of the other people that go. The reality is that gay couple can never ever naturally concieve therefore there is no denial of rights.

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Snarfeh
Nov 7, 09 9:08 PM CST

Um, actually, Net, you won't see it with 2 males since neither can carry the child, but the cells of 1 female can be used to fertilize the egg of another female thus making both women biological parents. Yes, it takes science to do it. Now, even taking that out of the equation, I cannot for the life of me see why procreation is a factor in this. Gays may be another way nature controls population, for all we know. I know many don't think we are born this way and frankly, I don't think all gays are completely gay just as I don't think all hets are completely straight. I know gay men who would not get an erection if you put a beautiful, naked woman in their laps, but replace her with a good looking man and BOING, the clock strikes twelve. Since you are a man and as such, you know how hard (heh) it is to restrain your erection when your favorite sexual stimuli is in your face, surely you can understand how hard it would be for a gay man to *choose* that which stimulates him. Lastly, I didn't choose to be a lesbian just because I wanted my ass kicked in a parking lot, ok? I simply do not feel about men the same way I do about women. I cannot explain that to you nor can I help you understand how solid it feels in every cell of my body that I am meant to be with another woman. It just is what it is...once upon a time, many years ago, I wanted it not to be the case. I accepted it and I am happier now than I ever was when I pretended otherwise.

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Netstorm2k9
Nov 8, 09 1:52 AM CST

@Snarfeh, I've said it before, but it's important to me to be understood in this, so I'll repeat. I have nothing against gay people. I have the same respect for the individual that I do in every other circumstance. You know that I'm a Libertarian, so I consider the individual's freedom to choose their own lifestyle to be paramount in a free society. So I'm for gay rights. If some individuals want that lifestyle, since I'm not forced to live it, I have no right to tell them no. But that doesn't mean I consider it acceptable. Now as regards sin, I am as guilty in the eyes of God as every other person, so for me to call gays sinners is hypocritical. We're all sinners, so what's the point? So I don't hate gays; they're just individuals who hurt and help me individually, like everyone else. I just consider the behavior to be genetically aberrant at worst, and an undesirable choice at best. That, and feminine men make me angry, physically aggressive and violent. It's a biological response to such behavior in my immediate environment. I don't know why, but I assume it's genetics again. Go figure.

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Nixon
Nov 8, 09 2:29 AM CST

Gays as a way nature controls population? Thats complete BS, as if there is a real correlation between homosexuality and population growth. One would except the incidence to remain constant to population. Population growth is regulated by things such as food shortages not homosexuality, plenty of gays have children either by science or in more conservative times through mariages. Also its amusing that gay men have managed to have children in past when they are not attracted to the opposite sex. They managed to get an erection and orgasm inside a woman why dont any gay men do this these days to have a child instead of going through the BS and expense of IVF. Maybe they should be a little open minded and do things the natural way. Also women cannot currently fertilise each others eggs, thats just experimental technology, just like artificial wombs. This decade has seen most scientists increase their appreciation of human reproduction as its percieved complexity continues to increase.

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Snarfeh
Nov 9, 09 12:28 AM CST

@Net - First of all & off topic, there's an update for you on the religion thing in case you hadn't checked. Net, I know you have nothing against gays other than on a deep personal level as you described. And I have nothing against hets or their lifestyle choices.....as long as I have the same freedoms, rights, privileges and benefits. I must admit, however, that I don't understand your aggressive feelings for effeminate men, though, but if that's how you feel, that's how you feel. Peace out...

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ErinORiordan
Nov 6, 09 7:44 PM CST

Call me a hopeless romantic, but I think it's sweet. I love love. Reply

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Netstorm2k9
Nov 6, 09 10:34 PM CST

Well, who doesn't?

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Nixon
Nov 6, 09 11:32 PM CST

I think its cheap, tacky and highly self absorbed, "look at us everyone were defacating on the place that is supposed to help our cause because we have no respect"

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Snarfeh
Nov 7, 09 9:15 PM CST

@Nixon - You just nailed it about how cheap, tacky and self absorbed *some* heterosexuals are about marriage! Like, how can they allow it to be hawked on TV like it's the latest "as seen on TV gadget"....how can they allow it to be so easy to legally separate themselves from each other because they woke up one day and just didn't want to work at it anymore? How can it be so easy for so many to cheat on their spouses? Many hets do *not* help the other side's case with all their multiple marriages and I can name some politicians who blah, blah, blah about traditional marriage versus gay marriage, and then dump their old wives for the new one who only wants their money but they don't care because she's new and young, and it makes them feel GOOD about themselves even as they don't feel bad at all about de-sanctifying their first marriage? Yeah, I know...de-sanctifying...I made it up for the moment...and yeah, I know that last sentence's structure was.....well, ferk it...

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Nixon
Nov 8, 09 3:20 AM CST

Look snarfeh I dont have a problem with you personally you seem reasonable and I can understand your points even if their somewhat misguided and irrelivant. Ok, i dont really understand what you mean by hawked on TV. If your refering to people who propose at the baseball or simular, i agree that that is cheap, I cringe when i see that kind of behaviour. However you might be talking about the promotion of marriage on TV or in the media. Some of that stuff can be tacky, some of it is tasteful. Women are the ones that drive that demand (i know im generalising), they often consider it to be romantic, they want to see the dresses and the newlyweds. I can understand that such a thing can be difficult for you as a lesbian but you need to remember that most women are straight, tv and the media cater to the majority. Ill remind you that gay marriage and gay issues do get plenty of coverage these days. As far as seperation, adultery and multiple marriages go I think you might be more conservative than you make out. The Catholic Church is full of people with simular views as yourself on these issues, maybe you should consider talking to a few members. They like their marriages full of "sanctity" so i doubt youll be offended by their views. Must be tough being a lesbian and a conservative with the majority of the LGBT movemnet being highly progressive. Anyways the issue here was never really about gay marriage or marriage rather the behaviour of two people in the chamber. The real question here is whether it is appropriate to propose in a court room to further a polictical cause, Answer - NO. ------ PS: Dont say 'hets" i dont refer to gay people as homos and leso's.

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Snarfeh
Nov 9, 09 12:15 AM CST

@nixon - Wtf? Me conservative? lol! You just either completely missed my point or completely ignored it. You wrote a demeaning comment that implied it was somehow disrespectful for one guy to propose to another in that setting. I simply pointed out that disrespect for marriage is engaged in every day by hets, therefore that proposal was no more nor any less disrespectful. I simply think reality shows like "The Bachelor" and "Who wants to marry a millionaire" refute the point that marriage is too sacred for homosexuals to be allowed to marry, but I don't care that those tv shows exist. I don't give a damn that people have open marriages. I don't see anything wrong with the divorce rate. I don't care whether other couples' marriages are open for sex outside of the marriage or not. My point is that het marriage in and of itself is NOT a great example of why queers can't get married. And for the record, het is simply a shortened version of heterosexual to save typing space. If you don't like being called het, I'd be glad to call you homo or queer. Just make up your mind and let me know.

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wheels413
Nov 6, 09 8:32 PM CST

wonka for president Reply

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Nixon
Nov 6, 09 11:29 PM CST

Our current President is too liberal as it as, we dont need a fully blown left wing loony

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prowlerzee
Nov 7, 09 8:20 AM CST

What are you talking about, Nixon?! Zerobama is on your side on this. He campaigned with homophobes, with "ex-gays" and with Prop 8 proponents. He had Rick Warren the homophobe bless his presidency. He's appointing pro-lifer anti-abortion zealots to top spots in the Dem Party and in his administration (one of them heads Bush's faith-based office that Zero then expanded into the HHR Department of our government). He's yours, not ours, despite the clownish pissing contests between uninformed "progressive" and "conservative" bloggers here.

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Nixon
Nov 8, 09 4:57 AM CST

You may be on to something here because Obama really hasnt pissed me off anywhere near the level i thought he would. With the whole gay marage thing most gays think he is hiding his true beliefs because of something he said ages ago. Im also shocked that you appear to have given up on the guy already, i mean he has done some pretty liberal stuff but thats all been small fish i guess and its only really annoyed me a bit. Obama aint a conservative though or even a Republican hes a Democrat just not as liberal and far more moderate then most of you guys thought. Thanks for the comment made me feel slightly better about this country already. We righties dont think Obama's right for our team but we are still looking to trade away the Gov. of California.

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EpicFailGuy
Nov 7, 09 5:12 AM CST

Those two are great IRL Trolls. Pissed alot of people off, and gained sympathy for their cause. Good job, you clever little buggers! Literally! People need to be more open minded, and accept that Gay's are BORN gay. It's genetics, you can't change it. Reply

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prowlerzee
Nov 7, 09 8:29 AM CST

Good point, EFG. Yes, under that circumstance, we can accept gays aren't "normal" --- the same as infertile couples aren't "normal" either. It's all genetics. So, unless we're ready to lambaste infertile couples for being "self absorbed freaks" who shouldn't try to circumvent God making them infertile, then then we also have no business, for example, disparaging how Dick Cheney's gay married daughter is working on her second pregnancy.

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johntitor
Nov 7, 09 12:31 PM CST

Off topic but EFG is that really you? If so, props man you're a legend! One Internets to you sir!

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Nixon
Nov 8, 09 4:28 AM CST

They have actually done harm to their cause. This kind of action gains sympathy and support from people who already support and vote for gay marriage. You are not increasing voter support as all that is really going on is your making people already in support more vocal and passionate, their vote only still counts once. The silent majority is alienated by these actions, this encourages people to vote in opposition far more than it does encourage people to vote in favor. These people disrespected the chamber, you may love it as you support their cause but those that dont hate this kind of behaviour. Also i suggest you do some proper research and read some studies by those whom dont have a vested interest in the topic. There is no proof that people are born gay or straight. The "gay gene" has not been discovered and i highly doubt it ever will. Gay groups love to tell people that gays are born gay as it drums up plenty of sympathy. However people who share your view fail to recognise the importance that enviroment plays upon shaping a person. Amoungst the impartial scientific community genetics combined with enviroment is what is generally considered to be the cause of homosexuality. While this does disprove the concept of gays being born gay it does however counter the opposite view of homosexuality being a choice. Sexual orientation is detirmined during the process of puberty based on individual perception of current and present events. The argument of homosexuality being 'normal' is seperate from the idea of gays being born gay. Now im not here to offend people just educate and encourage discussion. The reality is that people of the same sex are not biologically compatable they never possess the ability to procreate with one another. Sexual intercourse is designed to occur between heterosexual couples only. Basic biology shows us that the vagina widens and moistens when sexually excited allowing for intercourse. The anus on the other hand is not means designed for such activity and does not behave in such a fashion. Even infertile couples show genital compatability. Biologically speaking homosexuality it is not "normal" or "natural" as the same sexes were never intended to engage in sexual intercouse together. However free will seperates us from the animal kingdom and therefore supersedes biological shortcomings. One can easily conclude that homosexuality is a normal component of human society, whether this is desirable or a negative trait remains a question not yet fully answered by society.

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hamsammichs
Nov 7, 09 5:59 PM CST

Good for them. They are both named Andy? haha thats so gay... Reply

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