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SURPRISE, SURPRISE

Sullivan Back; Still Hates Palin

Calls her book 'manifesto for the imagined life'

Nov 19, 09 8:49 PM CST
ANN COULTER

Diversity Isn't a Strength

'Irritating cliché' should be ditched in wake of Fort Hood

Nov 19, 09 1:18 AM CST
PILING ON

Fox Caught Fudging
Footage Again

This-just-in Palin video actually from '08 campaign

Nov 18, 09 7:39 PM CST
Huckabee: Obama
Attacks 'Shameful'

Republican condemns
knee-jerk criticism

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OBAMA'S FREE RIDE

Latest Undeserved
Honor: Black Belt

Obama is now a master of tae kwon do, with 0 years practice

Nov 19, 09 2:07 PM CST
OPINION

In Piling On Palin, Liberals Make Fools of Themselves

...and legitimize her
as a true rogue

Nov 19, 09 5:30 PM CST
Shirt's Message:
Pray for Obama's Death

Verse reads, 'Let his days be few' and 'let his children be fatherless'

Nov 18, 09 5:50 PM CST
Rush: Gallup Counting Too Many Blacks for Obama

That's why the president's approval ratings are above 50%, he says

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Sarah Palin hasn't got anything on Ulysses S. Grant

Nov 19, 09 4:38 PM CST
Limbaugh's Wrong: Gallup's Obama Approval Below 50%

New survey is latest disappointment for President

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men of the year

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Kobe Bryant, Chris Pine, Barack Obama make 2009's elite list

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Sarah Palin's
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8 hours, 49 minutes ago
poll shows dead heat

Far-Right
Challenger
a Threat
to McCain

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Palin Warns Again of 'Rationed' Care

Abortion mindset could be applied to elderly and disabled, she says

By John Johnson| Posted Nov 7, 09 2:12 PM CST|

(Newser) – She didn't use the term "death panel," but Sarah Palin kept up her criticism of "rationed" care for the elderly and disabled last night. In a speech to abortion opponents, Palin warned that the same philosophy that allows abortions could be applied to those two groups with dangerous consequences. Especially, she said, if health care reform puts a "panel of bureaucrats" in charge, reports Politico.

“What may they feel about an elderly person who doesn’t have a whole lot of productive years left? In order to save government money, government health care has to be rationed," she said. "Do you think our elderly will be first in line for limited health care? ... And what about the child who perhaps isn’t deemed normal or perfect?" Palin is getting ready for a publicity tour for her soon-to-be-released book, Going Rogue.

Sarah Palin, in a file photo from August. (AP Photo/Stephan Savoia, file)

Sarah Palin at the Hong Kong airport in September. (AP Photo/Kin Cheung)

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GlennH
Nov 7, 09 2:15 PM CST

I'd use the old line about this woman being dangerous if she had a brain--but, in truth, she's more dangerous without one. Reply

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youngblood
Nov 7, 09 3:27 PM CST

When is this lying stupid as shit woman going to go away!!!!

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Newser001
Nov 7, 09 5:10 PM CST

I wish this clueless bimbo would simply STFU. She has absolutely NOTHING to contribute to the Healthcare Reform debate, NHS or anything else for that manner. She NEVER finishes anything she starts, speaks in incoherent / incomplete sentences, no sense of geography, global politics and has hideous grammar. She's a master of nothing... Just look at her transcripts.

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Cat-Lover
Nov 7, 09 6:14 PM CST

I have to laugh at the people who listen to or respect Palin. It's obvious her own daughter didn't or Palin wouldn't be a bastard's grandmother; and she and her husband didn't listen to intelligent medical advice that shows the chances of having a Downs birth from a mother over the age of 35 is better than 1 in 20. What is she? God? She could overcome the probabilities or was she just stupid. Don't waste time answering that. She's just a stupid twit whose own daughter laughs at her.

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dontlikeyou
Nov 7, 09 6:39 PM CST

I love how Sarah Palin makes leftists turn into angry, raving lunatics. God Bless Sarah Palin, our next president in 2012.

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Shannonals
Nov 7, 09 10:13 PM CST

The fact that Palin has people like you that admire her is proof enough that she isn't fit for public office dontlikeyou. If anyone else in politics cut and run for the sake of making a buck, you would have been making negative comments.

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passinthru
Nov 8, 09 12:34 PM CST

dont like you, youre a fuckin retard...

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Spudsy
Nov 8, 09 6:29 PM CST

Please please please let her be the candidate in 2012. It would be so much fun to watch the "debate" and listen to the Fox news apologists try to shine that turd. Or we could get Mitt Romney and have the pleasure of listening to the religious right endorse him as a good christian without mentioning that they are then acknowledging that Jesus walked in New York state. Oh the fun we will have.

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DJM420
Nov 7, 09 2:16 PM CST

good thing its not anything like she claims Reply

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tomodachi
Nov 7, 09 3:10 PM CST

If she doesn't like it... I'm all in.

+12

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Nixon
Nov 8, 09 11:18 AM CST

Im a right wing kinda guy, thats generally how i see things but i cannot stand this woman. It is an embarassment to our country to the GOP to the DEMs that this woman is even given 5 minutes of attention. We have plenty of very intelligent people in politics as well as some people of moderate intelligence. I dont have a problem with that diversity but im sorry when you drag in some pretend gun toting red neck bible reading idiot we need to consider an intelligence test. It wouldnt have to be hard to keep people like her out of the system. To me she is the humanization of everything that is wrong with the GOP currently. She ruined John McCains campaign (yeah i know he wouldnt have won, but he def would have done better) after everyone realised what an idiot she was and was scarred that the only thing between her and the white house was a 70 something year old mans heartbeat if elected. As for her comments, im not even going to discuss. EVERYONE needs to ignore or dissaprove this vile woman and make sure she goes home to Alaska never to set foot anywhere near DC again.

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freethemall
Nov 8, 09 7:44 PM CST

I've just hit the tequila bottle after a period of sobriety, so I may post this in the wrong place, but To NIXON: It's heartening to know there those out there. who are moderately conservative. who recognize that some who supposedly espouse conservatism are completely beyond the pale. When it was clear that the Presidential contest would be between Obama and McCain, I was heartened that either had the potential to be competent Presidents. But then McCain picked his running mate, and I thought "what the hell?!" I would likely have voted for Obama no matter what, but this sealed the deal.

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cochiserocks
Nov 7, 09 2:36 PM CST

Ok - so the moderate conservatives who gave her a second chance after the last months relatively low key statements have now hopefully entered the demographic for her book sales. Tome to reassure the real hardcore lot she hasn't changed her tune too much. The promotion trail seems to be well managed. Reply

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geneparmesan
Nov 7, 09 2:38 PM CST

Why are conservatives so afraid of death panels? Aren't you on your way to spending eternity with Jesus and all your loved ones anyway? OR maybe, just maybe, you might have some doubts about that? Reply

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thejoint00
Nov 7, 09 3:19 PM CST

I remember that they used to have death panels for anyone they found to be incompetent. Children with Down syndrome and autism were at the top of the list, followed by old people with Asperger's and Alzheimer’s. Then came the witch hunts and then there was the holocaust; they are ideas that we have moved beyond. The world is a much better place without a government deciding who should live and who should die. It is deemed by god or nature how long a person can or cannot live with or without doctor's care, not government.

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geneparmesan
Nov 7, 09 3:27 PM CST

you completely missed the point

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thejoint00
Nov 7, 09 3:50 PM CST

maybe I missed the allusion that you were trying to create. and reacted to the point that actually made.

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Galileo
Nov 7, 09 4:18 PM CST

@ the joint - Have you ever bothered to think about that idea that "god decides when people die" for more than 2 or 3 minutes. Seriously I want you to think about it. Before penicillin was discovered, a lot of people died from what are now easily treatable illnesses/infections. There are a lot of illnesses that are easily treatable now, but were fatal in the past. Does god decide that when we discover medicine, he will "let" the medicine work? Or is it the medicine that is saving them from their affliction, and not god? If you REALLY believe god ultimately decides when people die, then you're a Jehova Witness or something like it. Why bother taking penicillin for your infection? If god wants to cure it god will, if not you will die. The medicine offers no hope, only god. So, do you REALLY think it's up to god? Or if you get sick are you going to go to the doctor?

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RockyPneumonia
Nov 8, 09 5:41 AM CST

Well, one point you certainly missed, thejoint00, is that there won't be any government panels making these decisions. Considering how often and how thoroughly that claim has been debunked both by factcheck.org and politifact.com, one has to wonder if you're not capable of the basi comprehension needed to understand it, or if you're just lying.

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thejoint00
Nov 8, 09 2:14 PM CST

@gallileo- I firmly take the stand in the case of medicine v. God that there is no amount of medicine that can stop death. Prolonging life is not cheating death. and in that respect nature trumps. you can go or not go to the doctor, use herbs or artificial supplements, the only garuntee that you have is that they won't stop you from dying.@rocky- thank god for republican intervetions.

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ronimaca
Nov 7, 09 2:47 PM CST

she never used the words "death panels"I might be mistaken but I think she or what ever ventriloquist has a hand up her butt came up with the term. Reply

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SilenceDogood
Nov 7, 09 3:00 PM CST

Aside from personal denigrating comments, no one has countered her argument; that a panel of bureaucrats may have control over elderly people’s health care. Would any of you name calling girly boys care to address the issue raised, or would you rather call her names from the distance?

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Fondue
Nov 7, 09 3:04 PM CST

Roni, she made the statement on her facebook: "The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."

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geneparmesan
Nov 7, 09 3:07 PM CST

Right now, a panel of profiteering Capitalists whose job performance is judged by the bottom line has control over elderly(everyone actually) people's care. In conservatives own perception of our government, they have no problem spending money. So if we do have Government panels, lets hope there are no conservatives on it, we know how they feel about spending money. At least we know our government has NO problem going into the red, present day insurance companies do not feel the same way. And BTW, 'any of you name calling girly boys' deserves recognition for oxyMORONic post of the day.

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Fondue
Nov 7, 09 3:07 PM CST

Silence, Grassley did.

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 7, 09 3:20 PM CST

My ex wife who doesn't have a college degree, works in the insurance industry. Her current job involves her sitting on a "Death Panel" where she, along with some doctors and nurses and other middle management (Who work for the insurance company) make decisions on whether or not peoples insurance will pay for procedures they are requesting. Bureaucrats already decide on peoples life or death issues. I think I would feel much better having a Bureaucrat decide on my health issues without the profit motive clouding his/her judgment.

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emptycalm
Nov 7, 09 6:11 PM CST

Indeed DoctorZ. with our govt it's easier to expose and get rid of a politician than it is to get out boards of directors at health insurance firms.

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foofoo
Nov 7, 09 2:50 PM CST

Why does this woman make national news every time she speaks? Reply

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thejoint00
Nov 7, 09 3:30 PM CST

Because foofoo, you care. You may not like what she has to say, but responding either negatively or positively means very plainly that it matters to you.

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dontlikeyou
Nov 7, 09 6:41 PM CST

Because she is very likely to win the presidency in 2012.

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tomodachi
Nov 7, 09 7:40 PM CST

""Because she is very likely to win the presidency in 2012. "" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... SNORT... HAHAHAHAHA.... you make me have to laugh... stop it.

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Antiks
Nov 7, 09 8:54 PM CST

Very like don'tlikeyou? They have pills for delusions y'know.

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Shannonals
Nov 8, 09 10:09 AM CST

If you think a woman who abandoned her post as Govenor and has wasted months of her time yelling back and forth with her Granddaughters Father has what it takes to be President, your naive dontlikeyou.

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DanB
Nov 7, 09 2:50 PM CST

I wonder if she still keeps talking if she's having SEX? Reply

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 7, 09 7:15 PM CST

Well she didn't for me but then....Never mind.

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Caps
Nov 7, 09 2:57 PM CST

This bimbo can not even finish a complete sentence. She is a joke, and I agree with foofoo, why does the national news cover her? Reply

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tomodachi
Nov 7, 09 3:27 PM CST

National news (essentially) covers what people watch. Shameful as it is.

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Thinker
Nov 7, 09 5:14 PM CST

National news decides what people watch. They have the power, the people just take what they're given.

+10

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cornelison
Nov 7, 09 6:38 PM CST

Hi thinker. That's why we have the internet & it frustrates some medial outlets too. *LOL*

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Count-Spatula
Nov 7, 09 3:20 PM CST

You mean "rationed care" like we're already suffering from Sarah? Reply

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thejoint00
Nov 7, 09 3:45 PM CST

under the current system, if it is rationed in any way, it is a response of the system. not a mandate of the government.

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Thinker
Nov 7, 09 5:23 PM CST

"The system" is actually an independent entity. "The system" is run by big businesses, insurance and pharma companies who have control over who lives and who dies. It is rationed care as decided by employees with an agenda (bonuses and bottom lines). Why would the government be any worse than employees who stand to gain (and do) with every rejected insurance claim?

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geneparmesan
Nov 7, 09 3:50 PM CST

WTF does response of the system mean? Rationed care is rationed care, if its bad one way, its bad another way. The end result is the same. Reply

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RockyPneumonia
Nov 7, 09 4:26 PM CST

If letters of the alphabet were rationed, Newser could have saved some by headlining this: "Palin Lies Again". Reply

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easterner
Nov 7, 09 4:41 PM CST

Has Palin even bothered to actually talk to a victim of rescission.... Has she even bothered talking to an elderly person from all walks of life who already been victimized by the insurance co. before Obama was even thinking of running for office??? Dam Palin and others who are against healthcare reform for using the bogeyman tactics. Reply

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freethemall
Nov 7, 09 5:03 PM CST

I can't understand how she has the brass to warn of rationed health care! What in the hell does she think we have now, if not rationed health care? It is presently rationed by the ability to pay. With the millions of dollars she stands to received from her ghost written book, that suites her just fine. Reply

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Rocket448
Nov 8, 09 1:29 PM CST

And rationed not only by ability to pay, as freethemall says, but by what Dr. Zaius has previously described as claim denial committees. These are small groups of individuals paid by their insurance company to decide whether to allow or deny treatment based on their interpretation of the insurance policy in question. Appealing these decisions is a very daunting process. Also, although I've never seen the term "rescission" used during the public arguments for health care reform, this practice of canceling health insurance policies after a policyholder has incurred serious medical costs is growing. California regulators have launched investigations into the rescission practices of Blue Shield, Health Net, PacifiCare and other providers. Again, this is a practice followed CURRENTLY by the same providers that are giving the GOP money to protect their business. If nothing else, Sarah Palin's stupid comments serve to keep the issues alive and the discussion going.

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DeniseVB
Nov 7, 09 5:13 PM CST

LOL....Sarah must be right, because none of you proved her wrong. She's also the most popular topic on Newser, I love it :) Reply

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Thinker
Nov 7, 09 5:26 PM CST

DeniseVB, does that mean that, if you say there are cats and dogs on Venus, you must be right because no one has proved you wrong?

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geneparmesan
Nov 7, 09 5:57 PM CST

Glenn Beck raped and killed a girl

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Count-Spatula
Nov 7, 09 6:31 PM CST

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polstroad
Nov 7, 09 5:24 PM CST

rationed care is what the public gets when someone has preexisting conditions and gets no health coverage. Reply

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objectivemind
Nov 7, 09 5:49 PM CST

geesh. it already is rationed health care. the insurance companies ration it out, the doctors cannot do what they want or need to do to help people past a certain point. wake up. how come the US is the only country of all the all the industrialized countries to not have a nationalized heath care plan? guess it is another the standard of living here in the US is like 11th or 12th in the world....and getting worse...and folks are getting sick. If you are rich guess none of this matters. you can buy what you want. cheers! Reply

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dolcevita
Nov 7, 09 5:53 PM CST

palin does not deserve a public forum to speak out in. she is not a government representative of the people. Reply

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Cat-Lover
Nov 7, 09 6:09 PM CST

When is this ignorant loser corporate stooge going to learn that these anti-life decisions are being made daily by private insurance companies against whom we have no recourse or hope for reversal. We may not like a bureaucracy, but when it comes to elected officials, they'll do back flips for their constituents' problems and will act on our behalf with any grievous decision. Sarah Palin is America's disgrace and international embarrassment! Reply

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tomodachi
Nov 7, 09 7:54 PM CST

Just because they ACT like they don't know that the insurance companies make life/death coverage decisions... doesn't mean they actually are ignorant of the fact. What they don't want every voting taxpayer to understand... is that they don't care about people. They WANT the corporations to be able to control their profits by being able to deny coverage as they wish. It scares the hell out of them to think that the democrats are going to take that power away from them.

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rajanKazhmin
Nov 7, 09 7:58 PM CST

I hope she gets AIDS Reply

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Galileo
Nov 8, 09 1:06 AM CST

Haha.

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Antiks
Nov 7, 09 8:28 PM CST

Healthcare is already rationed. It's so bad, in fact, that people die as a result of the insurance companies' denials. Reply

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Jes
Nov 7, 09 9:04 PM CST

And I warn again of listening to unemployed politicians with ~85 IQs. Reply

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schmidtkoff
Nov 8, 09 12:35 AM CST

the girl going rogue is slowly going nuts. day by slow day by slower news days. Reply

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BryanJ62
Nov 8, 09 9:05 AM CST

Please be th GOP pick in '12. All of Idaho, Alaska and Utah will vote for you but that's about it. Please run! Reply

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AnnieOkie58
Nov 8, 09 11:01 AM CST

dontlike you..I see you finally took off your silly make-up...you look much better, but it didn't help you any in the brain department by doing so...your still just as clueless about Palin as you were when you had your silly make-up on.....***SIGH*** Reply

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AnnieOkie58
Nov 8, 09 11:31 AM CST

Palin wouldn't know how to tell the truth... even if her life depended. She uses any thing and anyone..to draw attention to herself especially her son Trigg...yep, she really wanted that little guy...very excited when she found out she was pregnant...that she didnt tell anyone for the first 7 months...hmmmm.. wonder why that was...I have my suspicions, but I will refrain myself from posting them....why did she travel to Texas when she was in labor, knowing she had a high risk pregnancy ? That was thousands of miles away...my understanding...she was not traveling with a medical team who could keep an eye on the situation...We all that have been in labor before, know for a fact...you can be at a 1 and jump to 10 just like that...So what was Sarah Palin thinking?...I have my suspicion, but again...I'll keep them to myself ! Reply

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Derni
Nov 8, 09 11:43 AM CST

Why is this nobody in the news? Don't you get it-her opinoon means "0" to us-she lost-she's crass and we don't need an uneducated view of things get over her and lets here from the educated people Reply

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ducme
Nov 8, 09 12:36 PM CST

DONTLIKEYOU he's not serious... he can't be if he was of sound mind. Reply

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ducme
Nov 8, 09 12:39 PM CST

dontlikeyou - no one takes you seriously why would we take her seriously? you and your party is a joke. Reply

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MarkFL
Nov 8, 09 2:28 PM CST

Rationed care is what we have now. It is so disingenuous for Republicans to claim rationed care. When will the Republicans propose a system without rationed care? Never... Their plan is for the wealthy to have the best possible care and for everyone else to have nothing. It is just sickening for them to claim rationed care. It is not possible to have more rationing than a private insurance plan. Reply

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Reader68389796
Nov 8, 09 2:29 PM CST

Is she just plain stupid? Reply

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BBT
Nov 8, 09 9:57 PM CST

I love how Palin is destroying the Republicans. Reply

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Silverbow7
Nov 8, 09 11:20 PM CST

You'd think she could come up with something new. That horse has been beaten to death. Reply

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rwslone
Nov 14, 09 11:20 PM CST

God loves leaders that speak truth. Texas loves the same. God speed Sarah Palin. Reply

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