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Pelosi: 'That Was Easy'

It's speaker's moment in the sun as House passes health care bill

By Polly Davis Doig| Posted Nov 8, 09 7:33 AM CST|

(Newser) – "This victory belongs to her," said a 10-term rep as Nancy Pelosi doggedly pushed health reform through the House last night. “As far as I know she never sleeps nor eats.” And though the speaker herself joked, "That was easy" last night, Politico notes that Pelosi used every tool in her toolbox to cajole, strongarm, and cobble together her historic 220 votes—a feat that eluded each of her predecessors.

"I think this is probably the biggest win she'll have in all the years she serves," says Rep. Jack Murtha said of his California colleague. "This affects every person in the country. Nothing else, not the [Iraq] war, nothing else touches everyone else in the country. This is the biggest thing she'll do."

Speaker Nancy Pelosi is joined by Majority Whip James Clyburn and Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., Saturday, Nov. 7, 2009 after the House passed the health reform bill. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

President Barack Obama kisses House Speaker Nancy Pelosi after meeting with House Democrats about health care Saturday, Nov. 7, 2009. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

Speaker Nancy Pelosi smiles during a press conference at the US Capitol, Saturday, Nov. 7, 2009 after the passage in the house of health care reform. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

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blindguy
Nov 8, 09 8:16 AM CST

we are screwed... that is change you can believe in! Reply

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Thinker
Nov 8, 09 8:49 AM CST

You are right, blindguy. In addition to selling out women, this bill is a gift to insurance companies. Here's why Dennis Kucinich voted "NO": "... instead of working toward the elimination of for-profit insurance, H.R. 3962 would put the government in the role of accelerating the privatization of health care. In H.R. 3962, the government is requiring at least 21 million Americans to buy private health insurance from the very industry that causes costs to be so high, which will result in at least $70 billion in new annual revenue, much of which is coming from taxpayers. This inevitably will lead to even more costs, more subsidies, and higher profits for insurance companies — a bailout under a blue cross." Way to help out the rich, House members. Thanks for nothing.

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tran_tor
Nov 8, 09 9:29 AM CST

@thinker: I'm very interested in how the bill sells out women.

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Thinker
Nov 8, 09 9:51 AM CST

tran_tor, two words: Stupak Amendment.

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ducme
Nov 8, 09 11:47 AM CST

you are paranoid, that is republican truth, you can believe in.

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tomodachi
Nov 8, 09 12:01 PM CST

I saw their credit reform and said... God... they slept with the credit industry... any benefit they gave the little guy... was postponed for months... giving the credit industry carte blanc opportunity to raise rates and drop credit lines. And when the credit industry rape and pillage campaign got too far out of control... they scurried to pass new legislation to "try" and stop it. I say: Kill the two party system... ban all democrats and republicans from holding public office. Take back the country from the criminals. Re-register as anything BUT a republican or a democrat... and convince everyone you know to do the same. Stop voting for them... just stop.

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JonmarkP
Nov 8, 09 1:14 PM CST

GOP logic:" A healthier America is a weaker America. We know it doesn't make any sense, just believe what we tell you to believe."

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dontlikeyou
Nov 8, 09 1:23 PM CST

2010 will be, oh, so easy.

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prowlerzee
Nov 8, 09 3:57 PM CST

Nice try, Thinker. The Obots are too fried on Hopium to notice that OpHRMa sold out to the insurance companies and threw women under the bus faster than Palin could've ever managed...as VP, please. Alllllllll the hysteria about Palin made the morons think they'd done their job and "saved" choice. Now, even if you try to point out the FA CTS to them, you get negative rated. They can't handle the facts, because the facts mean they were DUPES and useful idiots who accomplished what McCain-Palin never would've been able to, even had they wanted to...sell out to insurance, increase the war on terror, undermine choice. The OBOTS made all that possible.

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cvgreen
Nov 9, 09 1:18 PM CST

Thinker is right - forcing people to pay crooked insurance companies is ridiculous. So in Chicago where I come from there are tons of fly-by-night insurance companies like SafeCo and others the basically advertise "keep it legal" policies so people have an insurance card to show a cop if they ever get pulled over, but God forbid if these people get in an accident and make a claim. It will be denied. And SafeCo and these companies have "captive" law firms that do nothing but fight and deny claims. Its easy to pay half a dozen lawyers about $150K a year to do this. And for the Mil they pay lawyers they collected ten times that in premiums. So whats coming? People will pay these insurance companies premiums for years and when and if they get sick their claim will be denied and they can go fight in court from their hospital bed. Oh, yeah, they won't have an army of lawyers but the insurance companies will. Kucinich was right, a bailout under a blue cross so Democratic opportunists can claim some kind of political victory. Wake up people, the two party system is broken. This is yet another example. Register for third parties: green, libertarian, conservative, it doesn't matter. If we want real change people need to leave both Democratic and Republican parties in droves. This is something I feel both sides of the political spectrum can get together on.

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tran_tor
Nov 11, 09 8:49 AM CST

@thinker: Thanks for the info.

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Ucantusethatname
Nov 8, 09 8:21 AM CST

Pelosi wins; the American people lose. Reply

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ronimaca
Nov 8, 09 8:21 AM CST

now Harry Reed has the ball in his court. Get it done Harry America is counting on you. Reply

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thejoint00
Nov 8, 09 12:28 PM CST

"harry reed" I'm counting on you too.

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Hip
Nov 8, 09 8:25 AM CST

Just the fact that any health care reform passed is absolutely incredible. Let's not forget what happened when Hillary tried to change things in the health care system when Clinton took office. She got shot down. And GW? Well, health care was fine in his mind. Obama may not be perfect, but at least he had the balls to get things rolling...not an easy thing to do with the money and lobbyists involved. Change is on its way. Good for America. Good for everyone who voted for this bill and all those who will benefit from it! Reply

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Thinker
Nov 8, 09 8:56 AM CST

This bill is nothing more than a "TARP" for insurance companies. It's a gift to those that made the current health care industry a disaster. Some reform. We've been screwed royally by Pelosi.

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Shannonals
Nov 8, 09 9:43 AM CST

Do you even know what T.AR.P is Thinker?

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Thinker
Nov 8, 09 9:53 AM CST

@Shannonals, I said "TARP" not TARP. I was making an analogy. Get it? Geeze ...

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Shannonals
Nov 8, 09 10:19 AM CST

Analogy or cover-up of your mistake in wording, it makes no difference whatsoever.

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Nixon
Nov 8, 09 10:36 AM CST

Hmmm.......I think your overestimating obama here, people expected him to change up health care. As for GWB it wasnt a question of balls, it kinda makes sense him not really wanting to fix anything im not sure if that was because of pressure or was an area that he thought was ok? Im not convinced over the bill but im not in opposition of public health cover either.

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freethemall
Nov 8, 09 3:50 PM CST

Of course it makes a difference whether or not a word or phrase is in quotation marks. Why do you suppose Thinker put TARP in quotation marks?

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prowlerzee
Nov 8, 09 4:06 PM CST

It's HILARIOUS to see Thinker and Freethemall start to wake up from their Hopium stupor and think they can actually speak logically to the Obots still under the influence. Now do you two see how I felt? Shannon will never admit to being dead wrong. Maybe that will give you two pause and the ability to come clean on YOUR role in helping this national nightmare unfold.

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Thinker
Nov 8, 09 5:25 PM CST

@Shannonals, you either failed 5th grade grammar or you are a moron, it makes no difference whatsoever.

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Thinker
Nov 8, 09 5:30 PM CST

@prowlerzee, get your head out of your ass. This is not an Obama thing at this point, this is a "Congress is a bunch of whores" thing. The Dems knew what the majority of the people needed and wanted, yet they refused to turn down big insurance company money to deliver it. Instead they used smoke and mirrors to fool the American citizens, make themselves look good and give a huge windfall to insurance companies. It's a crime, really. Nothing to celebrate here, for either side.

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ronimaca
Nov 8, 09 8:26 AM CST

will you people ever get off fox opinion channel ? Reply

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Mia
Nov 8, 09 8:48 AM CST

It's a good day. Reply

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dontlikeyou
Nov 8, 09 1:26 PM CST

.... for fascism.

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DarkFrancis
Nov 8, 09 2:35 PM CST

Go back to your toys, dly.

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prowlerzee
Nov 8, 09 3:54 PM CST

Dumb cluck bridezilla generation moronic women like Mia DESERVE to become the Handmaidens that Margaret Atwood predicted they'd become. WOMEN were thrown under the bus and have to buy SPECIAL extra insurance for any possible abortions. Any of you morons remember how you screeeched and shrieked about how somehow as a VP Palin would undermine choice? Well, Pelosi and Zerobama bent over for the antichoice zealots. And morons like Mia call that a "good day." Hopium has fried every last brain cell the Obots ever possessed.

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blindguy
Nov 8, 09 8:49 AM CST

Get Pelosi-Care or this is what will happen to you... Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual: • Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year. • Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” oh yeah, its in there Reply

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Thinker
Nov 8, 09 9:32 AM CST

This bill will force individual Americans to buy health insurance from private insurance companies and, if they don't buy it, they will be fined and/or jailed. Is this actually Constitutional? I mean, mandated car insurance is one thing: owning a car is a choice. But how can we be forced to support an industry we find fundamentally immoral? This is like a new tax on Americans, but a tax that benefits private industry and NOT citizens through their representative government.

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Shannonals
Nov 8, 09 9:46 AM CST

No one will be imprisoned. Anyone who honestly thinks the government is going to send people around checking if your insurance is uptodate needs to remove their tin foil hat.

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Thinker
Nov 8, 09 9:55 AM CST

@Shannonals, right, like no one goes to jail or gets fined for not having mandated auto insurance. Never happens, right?

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irisht58
Nov 8, 09 12:07 PM CST

@Shannonals, of course the won't go around checking. But it is very possible that jobs won't be offered to those who can't prove they are insured, or fined when they enter a hospital for care and aren't insured, and also turned away by doctors that won't take uninsured patients (what doctor wants to worry about collecting from an individual when they are guaranteed something from the insurance company)

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super_soft_wizard
Nov 8, 09 12:29 PM CST

PSA: There is a penalty in the form of a tax for not purchasing health insurance--provided you make enough money to need to file a return (also there are subsidies up to 4x the poverty line)--and 7203 is a TAX CODE penalty. "Felony/willful evasion" is pretty much reserved for serious tax cheats--not those who just can't pay a relatively small tax penalty. Blind guy: your post is extremely disingenuous and is a great example of why I find it so hard to take the Right seriously--you folk distort the truth nearly constantly.

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SilenceDogood
Nov 8, 09 8:52 AM CST

Pelosi, a Democrat from a bankrupt state attempting to bankrupt America; appropriate. Reply

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 8, 09 9:16 AM CST

California sends in a dollar to the feds in taxes and gets back 79 cents. If they had those extra 21 cents back they would be fine. But stupid ass, non functional Red states need federal welfare to function. The biggest transgressor? Alaska, which gets almost 2 dollars from the federal government for every dollar they send in to Washington. By and large it's the liberal states that support the conservative states. In fact the more conservative your state votes the more likely your state government is living off of blue state dollars. Just something to think about.

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tomodachi
Nov 8, 09 12:09 PM CST

The fed vs state tax ROI happens because some congress members are more powerful than others... some are better gamers of the system than others. They wash each others hands with tax revenues and spend like the US taxpayer is an unlimited supply of money. If you want to fix that... Stop ALL pork spending and ALL earmarks. Severely limit lobbyist activities.

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Guava_Jelly
Nov 8, 09 12:22 PM CST

Hey, DZ, please leave a link to those alleged facts above...I'm interested where they coming from

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mehrheit
Nov 8, 09 1:40 PM CST

I'll take care of that one. Here you go, Guava: http://tinyurl.com/ydqvjce Click the 1st link...

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Guava_Jelly
Nov 8, 09 3:07 PM CST

This statement is so utterly flawed and full of hypocrisy I’m not even sure where to start. DZ, are you suggesting states should NOT pay federal taxes (i.e. keep the 21 cents)??? Or, let’s say we stay with the federal tax idea, BUT only use federal funding to states in the same proportion which they pay. What would be the purpose of a federal government? What happens when “stupid ass non functional red states” have natural disasters like, I don’t know, Hurricane Katrina. In 2005 Katrina was the largest natural disaster in the history of the United States. Should we NOT give them federal aid (in excess of what they paid)? Or your, Alaska for example, 1st of all Alaska has oil fields and wildlife preserves, a small populace (~700K) to pay taxes out. Do you suggest we not protect wildlife preserves? This statement erroneously suggests all money is going to “stupid ass non functional red states” to keep their states a float, which probably couldn’t be further from the truth. Do indescribably brilliant and genius, fully functioning blue states NOT receive federal dollars??? Your veiled suggestion blue states (such as California, Michigan, etc.) are bankrupt because they are funding non-functional red states is ridiculous and laughable.

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Reader64481089
Nov 8, 09 5:18 PM CST

Doctor isn't saying don't pay he is simply telling the truth. Red states are in the red financially much more so than Blue states and are supported by Federal monies, if not for Federal aid Alaska would go under as well as California as well as many other Red States.

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Guava_Jelly
Nov 8, 09 5:31 PM CST

Yes, because ALL the talk is about those bankrupt red states...NOT the blue states like Michigan and California. You are incorrectly correlating federal receipts with bankrupt states. See the link below http://freedomarizona.org/2009/01/30/46-of-50-states-could-file-bankruptcy-in-2009-2010/

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Guava_Jelly
Nov 8, 09 5:51 PM CST

Or here if you prefer...all pretty blue to me---> http://images.businessweek.com/ss/08/10/1003_budget_shortfall/1.htm

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 8, 09 6:40 PM CST

http://petroleum.berkeley.edu/patzek/Harmful/Materials/federal_taxing_and_spending_bene.htm Let me spell this out for you Guava Jelly, of the top paying 15 states in the union (they put in more money than they receive) 12 are blue states. While the bottom 15 states who take out more money than they contribute, 14 of 15 are solid red states. Seems to me that if you redistribute someone's wealth that's called welfare. And the bottom line here is the vast majority of the states that create the wealth are Blue states and the vast majority of states that could not exist without "redistributing" that wealth are Red states. Here's a little graph that spells it out. http://petroleum.berkeley.edu/patzek/Harmful/Materials/federalwelfare.gif

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 8, 09 6:45 PM CST

And yes, your Newsweek article is interesting as it proves my point. The reason we are in such dire straights is that the economic engine of our country collapsed. And where did it collapse? The blue states, because there was nothing going on in the red states to collapse.

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Guava_Jelly
Nov 8, 09 10:01 PM CST

Your comment "stupid ass, non functional Red states need federal welfare to function". I see nothing in these articles which explain these states could NOT function if they didn't receive federal funding. Did they receive more federal funding? Yes. Does that mean they couldn't survive without it? No, certainly not. They received federal funding because of natual resources, defense spending, national disasters, etc. Oh yea, and your University of California at Berley studies are from 2003 & 2004...obsolete at best. Also, are you opposed to redistrubion of wealth?

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Guava_Jelly
Nov 8, 09 10:29 PM CST

What year was it the economic engine of our country collapsed, 2007/2008? If the blue states, as you state, are where the vast majority of the wealth is created, do you believe the states receiving the most federal money in 2009 is the same as your 2003 studies?

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 9, 09 5:57 AM CST

Take a look at Mississippi. They get $1.83 for every $ they send into the feds. If they only got $1.00 for every $ their state budget would be reduced by almost half. Are you saying that if I reduced Mississippi's budget by half they could function just fine? Are you also suggesting that if I increased California's budget by 21% that they would still be underwater? There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 9, 09 6:02 AM CST

Those figures end in 2003, I have not seen current data but the way the numbers were trending the Blue states were carrying more and more of the load while the Red states were getting more and more welfare. The reason the shit hit the fan is because an economic recession hits your power house states the hardest. If the feds just limited fed funds going into states by what that state sent in plus 5% and then made sure the states who were net exporters of taxes got their fair share things would run a lot smoother, for the Blue states. The Red states governments would have some "esplainin'" to do to their citizens about their non-functional economies.

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ROBR
Nov 9, 09 11:18 AM CST

Dear Doctor Ama-Zaius,Rock-Me-Ama-Zaius, I'm shocked at the vial words spewing from your mouth. It ought to be washed out with soap. Oh,the horror that came over me to hear a bleeding ass progressive, like yourself, spewing hatred down upon the less fortunate in this great country of ours. Are you sure your not a closet Conservative? Your level of pure hatred would make Janeane Garufalo proud. Your outburst is right up there with Barack stating on National TV, "The Caimbridge Police Department Acted Stupidly", and then there was "Kanye West is a Jackass". I'm sure you like Barack feel a strange feeling come over you on those rare occasions, like this, where you speak the truth, as you see it, I implore you to try and do it at least once a month, as it benefits you both physically, as well as mentally. Always remember, "The Truth Will Set You Free", Amen, baby.

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 9, 09 12:05 PM CST

Nonsense, I find it ironic that Conservative strongholds couldn't function without the welfare teat of functioning liberal society. I guess that when confronted with actual facts you fall back on the attempted insult, I call it an attempt because you're not very good at it.

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srkenny
Nov 8, 09 9:26 AM CST

Thanks for all the ad hominem attacks on Pelosi, wingnuts. They add so much to the discourse. Tough shit, you should have fought harder to win in 2008. Reply

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Thinker
Nov 8, 09 10:01 AM CST

I am a left-wing godless liberal slut who voted Democrat and I think Pelosi sold out to the insurance companies. She could have had it all, but caved. She is spineless.

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 8, 09 11:45 AM CST

This bill only got 220 votes and that was because Cao, a Republican voted for it. That makes 219 Dems who voted for it. The bill needed 218 to pass. This was the absolute best bill that could have passed in the house. I'm not 100% happy with it either but there are some good things in this bill.

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tomodachi
Nov 8, 09 12:12 PM CST

""I'm not 100% happy with it either but there are some good things in this bill."" I'm pretty sick of those kind of statements concerning what our public servants serve us as legislation. Just once i'd like to hear one of them say: "This is EXACTLY what is best for the country and its citizens.... and I'm 100% happy with it."

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super_soft_wizard
Nov 8, 09 12:31 PM CST

Dr. Z is right--Pelosi passed the best possible bill by a hair. A bill that anyone is 100% happy with would never have had nearly enough votes.

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thejoint00
Nov 8, 09 12:41 PM CST

"i'm not 100% happy with it" WTF even the supporters of this bill think it's flawed. the "best that could pass" is not what is best for america. The left has taken the focus completly off of what they are doing in order to shock and amaze the nation with thier talent. Meanwhile, you get your wallet stolen and are left with nothing to show for it except a "good experience"

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prowlerzee
Nov 8, 09 4:13 PM CST

Yeah, Dr. Z and the other pricks think the bill is jim-dandy because they didn't have an extra tax levied on their body parts. Too bad there wasn't a mandate for every single man to carry special insurance in case he impregnated anyone. Instead, women will be forced to carry special SEPARATE insurance just in case they need an abortion...a legal, medical procedure that should be private. Men should carry this burden instead. Special insurance, to be used either for abortions as needed or child support as needed.

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ROBR
Nov 8, 09 10:04 PM CST

Dear Ken Sr., I recall last year us conservatives using the analogy of a trojan horse being Obama's tactical plan in 2008. No worries, in 2010 we have cum up with our own version. It's funny cause the words you use here to attack us are very similar to the ones we will use on you next year. We will be wearing a Trojan, maybe glow in the dark. We will Cum up from behind you, then change out dis, for inter, in front of course, the word shit will probobly cum into play. Then the last part changes to no matter how hard you try and fight, you can't win (get away). You will be our bitches for the next four years, more like 6 or 8, after we take back Bi-Czaro land in 2012. So enjoy your fun while it lasts. PS: It's a good thing Nancy Pelosi didn't drain the swamp like she threatened, for if she had she would not have a home, when she is sent packing, next November. You see, sometimes things happen for a reason. Nice chatting, Rob

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 9, 09 4:48 AM CST

That's not chatting, that's bleating from the Hate Party sheep herd. You lost, you hate. That's as much as can be said for you.

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skeptik
Nov 8, 09 10:02 AM CST

Kudos to Speaker Pelosi for getting this bill passed. The time has finally come for America to join the rest of the industrialized nations around the world in providing all it's citizens healthcare. Is this bill perfect? Of course not.......hopefully some improvements will be made during reconciliation but we now have a foundation to build on and that in itself is a huge step in the right direction. Reply

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thejoint00
Nov 8, 09 12:45 PM CST

she got a bill passed and all you can do is hope for improvements. wtf. you are in support of something that you don't even like, what does that mean? this plan is going to hurt the american people while politicians collect the rewards.

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 9, 09 4:51 AM CST

No bills of significance get through unammended. This is no different. If a bill could get through congress with absolutely no changes from its original version, then there would be no reason to have a congress. No reason to have representatives from all parts of the country.

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skeptik
Nov 9, 09 8:40 AM CST

I support national healthcare- preferably one-payer -think Canada- but am enough of a realist to know that a bill in that form would never pass given the current political climate. A huge amount of hubris has been generated by the opponents and getting modest guarantees of coverage for 96% of citizens is, in my thinking, better than holding out for a mythical "perfect" bill. There are just too many differing opinions out there (and expressed here on Newser too) for everyone agree on. So I view this bill as a starting point, not the end point.

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Reader63782555
Nov 8, 09 10:11 AM CST

Just because the change is historic does not mean the change is good. O, and I'm going to need someone to bail me out I won't be buying health insurance. Reply

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super_soft_wizard
Nov 8, 09 12:33 PM CST

why won't you be buying health insurance? If you are actually poor there are subsidies in the bill for you to buy. If not your just a spiteful ass who would rather not look out for his own interest in the hopes of making some ill defined point.

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cornelison
Nov 8, 09 4:25 PM CST

Oh horrors! People will actually be able to see a doctor when they're sick. You have an option in 2010 to demand a strong public option if the insurance companies are still failures. Think "primaries."

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Thinker
Nov 8, 09 5:39 PM CST

@Reader, I'm afraid I agree with you here. A government mandate that essentially taxes us to give money to insurance companies is absolutely disgraceful. Insurance companies caused this mess and are now being rewarded by Congress because of threats and/or campaign gifts. Why is everyone okay with that? A revolt (not buying insurance) is in order here. Taxation without representation is a valid reason. One fix? Give subsidies to allow the poor to purchase insurance from non-profit insurance companies.

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skeptik
Nov 9, 09 9:04 AM CST

@thinker- the subsidies for the poor are part of the bill that just passed. Government run, public option would be the least expensive deliverer (Medicare has only 5% overhead cost vs. 30% for insurance co) but the opposition has all but drowned out that fact with their campaign of fear & hysteria.....

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drlarrymitchell
Nov 8, 09 11:15 AM CST

Disingenuous to phrase it the way she did. Reply

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Cat-Lover
Nov 8, 09 11:16 AM CST

Always remember this: The more people who have medical insurance, the less taxpayers have to support emergency rooms. That, in itself, is a victory for Americans. Reply

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irisht58
Nov 8, 09 12:10 PM CST

Will illegal aliens be required to purchase insurance?

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thejoint00
Nov 8, 09 12:48 PM CST

@cat-lover- bull. now you have to pay for everyone that had insurance already too, because if you don't, big fines and imprisonment are in store for you.

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Derni
Nov 8, 09 11:37 AM CST

Some men just can't work wioth strong women-good job by her -she did what many said she could'nt - Reply

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prowlerzee
Nov 8, 09 4:16 PM CST

Yeah, dumbass. A "strong woman" who threw women under the bus for no concessions at all! She CAVED to the crotch-sniffing helmet-haired religious male freaks who burdened women with an EXTRA hurdle in order to access a private, legal medical procedure. Now women will have to carry EXTRA special separate abortion insurance just in case...how many do you think will do this?

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 9, 09 7:17 AM CST

Demi, this dipshit would complain about Pelosi no matter what. He is a Limbaugh-Beck sheep trained to hate, And he's good at it. He may be an insurance company employee paid to post his rants against the common good.

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Derni
Nov 8, 09 11:39 AM CST

Americans didn't lose-Americans were losers before the bill past- when compared to other nations in many areas we're near the bottom-heal;th care-education Infant Mortality!-etc-so you must like it at the bottom-and don't worry about debt-chaina owns us but needs us-and they just firgave Africa a huge amount of debt-relax and enjoy your health care-40 millionnever had it to enjoy Reply

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prowlerzee
Nov 8, 09 4:20 PM CST

No, you moron who DESERVES to become a handmaiden as envisioned by the brilliant Margaret Atwood. Go watch the Handmaid's Tale again and see your deserved fate. WOMEN were the losers. You are ON YOUR KNEES to religious male womb-police who are all up in our business...and you're too stupid to even know it!

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 9, 09 7:20 AM CST

prowl - Thank you for that report from the party of hate, ignorance, and corporate power. Check the TV, Beck has new hate instructions for you.

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Stupidiot
Nov 8, 09 11:47 AM CST

Wonderful, now going to the hospital will be just like going to the Department of Motor Vehicles! Democrats are the true racists with their hispanic, black targeting youth brigade bills.. Civilian Army, Carbon tax, Socialist healthcare... When will you people understand... STOP TAKINIG MORE OF MY MONEY, I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU.. IF YOU WANT TO BE TAKEN CARE OF STAY WITH MOMMY IN HER BASEMENT... While your at it, grow a pair of balls... get a job and take care of your self... Don't start with im a fox news republican, both sides are fucked... don't be nieve Reply

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super_soft_wizard
Nov 8, 09 12:35 PM CST

Stupidiot--you don't seem to know what is going on here... You seem nieve [sic].

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KennyBoy
Nov 8, 09 4:35 PM CST

@Stu You get a point for getting your name right but everything else is a total FAIL.

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janderson204
Nov 8, 09 5:19 PM CST

What a bunch of Idiots. Reply

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ROBR
Nov 8, 09 6:10 PM CST

The democrats unwittingly created a psuedo poison pill with their too smug to cooperate attitude. If their final bill becomes law, the unreasonable burden, cut back in services, taxes, Threat of $25,000 fines plus years in jail etc.will begin early in 2010. The so called benefits, if there really are any, won't even begin to phase in until sometime in 2013 and then could take much longer to fully implement . Not to mention the fact that some of the citizenry still will be left uninsured. Meanwhile, the 2010 midterm elections are shaping up to exact a huge loss of seats for the Democrats in both houses. I would urge the Republican party to get to know every negative aspect of the program and hammer it home everyday. This will cause a case of buyers remorse amungst the American people. They should let the public know, if they are once again in control of both houses and in 2012, a Republcan is back in the White house, the whole mess can quickly be disposed of and any money in the coffers earmarked for healthcare reform will immediately be returned by way of a rebate check. It's ironic that a situation which appears so bleak today, is actually the Republican parties Hail Mary pass in the next election cycle. Thank you Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama, oh and to a lesser degree good ol Harry Reid. Reply

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 9, 09 7:27 AM CST

Consider this the best the right can come up with. Hate and ingorance. The party of NO has spoken. The party of YES is not impressed. I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot is an insurance company rep, paid to sit at his desk doing his best to torpedo anything that benefits working and poor people.

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United_States_of_Entertainment
Nov 8, 09 7:52 PM CST

You're easy nancy!!! It's time to bend over with no vaseline...ouch. Reply

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Hip
Nov 8, 09 8:15 PM CST

Terrible post but I love your username. Funny stuff.

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 9, 09 7:29 AM CST

Your parents must be so proud.

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confused
Nov 9, 09 9:43 PM CST

Have none of you paid any attention, they want us to argue and hate each other. WE are American’s first the differences can be overcome. Some things to consider: the biggest insurer in the business is the GOVERNMENT. Everything they touch goes the wrong US Postal Service, Amtrack, and Medicare just to name a few great deals. When Medicare was first started in 1965 it cost $600,000,000 the first year. Now it costs 707.7 billion to run with the current plan. Each year the House and Senate set the reimbursement rate for Medicare and in the past 25 years reimbursement to physicians has gone down about 55 cents on the dollar of approved costs. What none of you seem to realize is when a insurance bill goes to insurance only about 10% gets paid under Medicare, Medicade is even less. This does not take into account “take backs” of bills which is done regularly. In other words the Medicare and Medicade say the physician was paid in error send us a check. Now this same system which has caused major problems will run all insurance…count on waits, fewer physicians and less coverage. ROBR is correct about the costs, fines and possible jail time. None of this is constitutional and simple solutions seem to something that has gone by out the door. Reply

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