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Hannity Wants to Be the Face of US Torture

Apr 23, 09 | 9:28 AM   byMichael Wolff
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You wouldn’t necessarily think that the right wing would want to distinguish itself by its enthusiasm for torture, but that’s clearly the message Sean Hannity is gleefully sending by his offer to be waterboarded.
 
Before getting to torture’s attractions, let me make two points: My colleague at Vanity Fair, Christopher Hitchens, who is sometimes partial to right-wing positions, has already had himself waterboarded and written about it to vivid effect. So, Hannity knows he can do this with little risk. But the second point is that Hannity will never do it. I once filled in for the hapless Alan Colmes on the Hannity and Colmes Show, and Hannity spent the whole show completely obsessed with the placement of every strand of his hair. That guy's not going underwater (even for a major ratings coup).
 
Oh, and a third point: If he is going to do this, we ought to insist it be done to him 183 times—the number of times the US waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in a single month—the terror being in the repetition.
 
(Sean Hannity, AP Photo)
But on to torture’s virtues:
 
Curiously, part of the old right-wing anti-communism catechism is that the Communists—the KGB, the Red Chinese, the Viet Cong (before this, the Japanese and the Gestapo were the torturers)—tortured their enemies. The military training on which we’ve apparently based our torture techniques was meant to help US soldiers hold up under the beastly and dehumanizing tactics (including waterboarding) of the commies.
 
Now that we are the torturers, the rationale changes. First of all, what we do is not torture—torture is what our enemies do; what we do is use interrogation techniques enhanced by American ingenuity.
 
It is important to use these techniques, and, come to think of it, any other techniques, even outright torture, because of…weapons of mass destruction. Of course you would torture someone if the alternative was your entire nation being wiped out, as well as civilization as we know it.
 
And then there is frontier justice, that venerable tradition. And then the less than human thing: Muslims don’t share our higher values, therefore, you have to speak to them in their own language.
 
And there’s the sentiment thing. The right wing has very clearly positioned itself against sentimentality (except if it involves abortions). Sentimentality is about emotions and abstractions and fuzzy thinking. Torture is a macho thing. To be a man is to be able and willing to do what you’ve got to do. (That's what Jack Bauer, another Fox hero, does.)
 
Right wingers who are also entertainers—as so many right wingers are—have an added incentive to prove their manliness (really, I can’t tell you how obsessed Hannity was with his hair).
 
Still, the right wing, and the Bush administration, somehow got this profoundly mixed up. The manly thing, the movie thing, the John McCain thing (of course, the right wing doesn’t like John McCain), the iron will thing, is to be able to stand up under torture.
 
You don’t want to be the torturer (Shep Smith, a Fox anchor, who seemed to realize this is not a good bit of positioning, lost it yesterday on air: “We are America! We do not fucking torture!”). Although, those cool, collected, sadistic sorts always do keep their hair in place.

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Reader68560318
Apr 23, 09 12:11 PM CDT
Well, that was a simply awful article...I'll go ahead and zero out my account before I even get started on this site. The bottom line is that torture - or enhanced interrogation techniques can work and for the left to pretend they never do, and to simply pretend that we can keep our hands clean AND enjoy the pinnacle of security is the height of ignorance and foolishness. Oh, as for comparing what we did to what was done in the communist bloc countries is foolish. We "tortured" people we had reason to believe were engaged in acts which would physically hurt other people. They tortured people they thought were trying to influence other people with non-state approved ideas. The circumstances aren't comparable. Reply
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Doctor_Supercilious
Apr 23, 09 12:38 PM CDT
Good Riddance.
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Reader69448708
Apr 25, 09 4:09 PM CDT
Yeah, and the CIA intel that it doesn't work is all just "liberal" rhetoric right? Our grandchildren are going to pay for this chapter in 'mundane machoism' even if we do clean out all you "24" coward/heroes from government and fullfill the real 'American potential' that was hijacked by the Bushies...
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Reader22060479
Apr 23, 09 12:42 PM CDT
Ok let me get this straight. Last week Obama quite effortlessly decided that it was fine to kill 4 very young, very poor, very black Somali teenage pirates, who could easily been bought off with ( yes, MONEY) , or maybe even dialoged with to save the life of ONE MAN ( nice white man though he was). But to subject a known terrorist ( aka bad guy who could not be bought with money) , many times to 60 minutes of terrible discomfort and fear in order to save 4,000 plus white, black, latino lives is unacceptable. Why are black, poor, uneducated, desperate lives always so expandable? The rest of the world has been much more humane. They believe it is more humane to part with money than to kill desperate people. I hope the next administration after Obama, starts investigating this total inhumane treatment of people who have no power or voice, and therefore resort to piracy. Shame on Obama and his administration. Reply
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Doctor_Supercilious
Apr 23, 09 3:10 PM CDT
Did your mother have any children that lived?
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Reader69448708
Apr 25, 09 4:12 PM CDT
paying off hijackers??? why didn't you give this brilliant idea up befor this? I'm pretty sur no-one else will try it either because it's not a nice way to operate while enduring strife, and potential hijackers know it's not nice, so no problem... kimberbart@yahoo.com
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gamlet
Apr 23, 09 12:58 PM CDT
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Fondue
Apr 23, 09 1:14 PM CDT
You'll never be as safe as you believe you are. Reply
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Concerned
Apr 23, 09 1:30 PM CDT
Shameful chapter in American History! How can anyone defent it? Reply
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Reader22060479
Apr 23, 09 1:56 PM CDT
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RogerMohajir
Apr 23, 09 2:07 PM CDT
It is fatuous for Sean Hannity (or Christopher Hitchens) to pretend they can "understand" what water-boarding is like by having it done to them in circumstances where they know they won't be allowed to actually drown or have it repeated. In torture, the coercive effect is achieved not by the pain or horror of what the subject actually experiences in the moment but in what he fears will come next if he doesn't cooperate: repetition and/or escalation. When Hannity is finished being water-boarded his only fear is going to be whether he'll EVER get his hair right again. There are strong arguments on all sides of the torture issue. Unfortunately, neither Hannity nor Hitchens would recognize one if it hit them in face (repeatedly, and with vigor). Would it be a violation of the Geneva Convention to force someone to read Hitchens' drivel while listening to Hannity's bleating? Reply
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Reader69448708
Apr 25, 09 4:15 PM CDT
Hitchens "drivel" is the only voice of reason in that could potentialy keep our world from destroying each other because of differernt religions. If you have 'faith' then YOU are the problem because you are nothing more than a reflection of your environment...isn't that a truism?
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CommonsenseAmerican
Apr 23, 09 3:30 PM CDT
Why do all you left wingers care about the discomfort of our enemies. They would cut your head off in a minute. I for one don't care about what the terrorist or the rest of the world for that matter thinks about America. It's the greatest nation in the world and other countries are envious. Torture is breaking fingers and knee caps, not waterboarding and cold rooms. You people need to get in the real world. Reply
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Doctor_Supercilious
Apr 23, 09 6:23 PM CDT
Number 1 many of these "Enemies" hadn't done anything and were picked up by mistake. The Bush administration admitted this when they released a whole shitload of them AFTER they had tortured them. 2) Torture doesn't work for getting accurate information. You would say anything to get me to stop and professional interrogators have come out against it including the entire FBI 3) the only effective reason to do it is to be sadistic vengeful bastards which we in America are not. Don't like it? Move to Russia or China where they like that type of crap but not in my Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.
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Fondue
Apr 24, 09 9:03 AM CDT
You should do a little reading on what the falsehood of being "the greatest nation in the world" could result in. Nazi Germany didn't care and the "rest of the world" stomped their racist ass in the ground. You "need to get in the real world"....and you claim common sense.
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Reader69448708
Apr 25, 09 4:24 PM CDT
I have to interject here again, ComsenAmerican; are you joking? Who is judging which foriegner is a true and dangerous terrorist? Did you know we paid ransoms of up to $5k for Iraqis to turn in "Terrorists"??? Isn't that suspect to you? Can you even think witht that brain you hang your hat on? What the world thinks about America is a direct reflection of how our military kids will be treated if they are captured...hello? Waterboarding can eventually be fatal ; CIA fact! Are you a veteran? I'll bet not, probably a chickenhawk like all your daddy-figures you fawn over. America spoke loud and clear to you in this last election, shut-up and learn something about democracy for the next 8, 16, or 32 years or however long it is before another fear mongering right-wing nut job scares enough of you cowards into voting against your own best interest again. See no bad names, just objective observations!
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gianpaul
Apr 23, 09 3:47 PM CDT
You simplistic Americans have definitely a problem relating to reality: either you combat the ennemy, even kill him if necessary, or torture him. That's totally normal in warfare. Now, turning once more umbilical, you express concerns about "was it too harsh" there in Guantanamo. Stop this nonsense, especially Palosi's sort of "official enquiry". War is war. Either you winn it, or it's the other guy. And learn to be DESCREET. Grow up, USA, you are not that young any more. Reply
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Doctor_Supercilious
Apr 23, 09 6:24 PM CDT
What's simplistic is your flexible morality and questionable ethics.
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Reader69448708
Apr 25, 09 4:31 PM CDT
gianpaul, what a sad comentary on your reasoning for coming tot his country, just a bigger brother to kill your enemies. The real ideals that are America is that we don't do what the filth of the earth do, as a world super power we can endure a little of that treatment, overcome, set the example, be better, be stronger than they are because we don't need to stoop to that inhumane level of treatment. If and when you take the oath of this country, listen tot he strength of the words, because your point of view is violently simplistic and leads to more and increased violence. Not an alternative that the truly strong can envision.
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Reader68658377
Apr 23, 09 4:59 PM CDT
water boarding is torture. Torture is against our laws and International laws. Period.Any one involved in torture is a criminal and should be prosecuted. Let the trials begin! Reply
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Reader68188988
Apr 23, 09 7:01 PM CDT
Repugniclans who embrace the overthrow of our constitution, and the rule of law, should be tried for treason. How quickly they would throw away what generations have sought to protect. A few talking heads on TV have stirred up the ignorant, and 24/7 blather, has given them a strength that is truly dangerous to the country. I can envision them siding with the British during the first Revolution, with little trouble. I pray that the same result will happen after the second, and rational thought will prevail. Reply
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ClearSight
May 5, 09 9:35 PM CDT
Do you favor the same for anyone who subverts the Constitution? If so, most of the House, Senate, Supreme Court and the current president qualifies for treasonous acts against the Constitution. Good luck with that by the way......
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CommonsenseAmerican
Apr 24, 09 7:26 AM CDT
Our own special forces get waterboarded, so I guess we torture our own. And you lib's shouldn't talk about the constitution because you all want free health care, illegal immigration. Huge government that will infringe on the individuals liberty which is what the constitution is about. If someone is lazy and don't want to work, I don't care if they don't have healthcare or if they starve. Whatever happened to personal responsibility, you lib's just think everyone is a victim. What about Obama dropping bombs on civillians in Pakistan. I don't hear you whining about that. This is war people. You are going to be the down fall of this country, with your appeasement mentality. Reply
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Robert_Dada
Apr 24, 09 8:42 AM CDT
Our own special forces get waterboarded as part of training to help them cope and deal with the situation in the event they are captured by the enemy and tortured via waterboarding.
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Robert_Dada
Apr 24, 09 8:56 AM CDT
As for your lunacy on health care reform, it has nothing to do with lazy people unwilling to work. Many full time workers cannot afford their own health care or if they can afford the premiums, they cannot afford the out of pocket expenses should they or one of their dependents suffer from a catastrophic illness. In some cases, these full time workers do not make much money in the first place. Yes, I'm sure your idiotic response to that would be, 'then they should pull themselves up by their own boot straps, get a great education and a high paying job". If we follow this idiotic logic one step further, we then have to answer the question: "If everyone has a high paying job to afford health care, who are we going to get to clean our facilities after we leave work, work in our cafeterias, bag our groceries, etc." The fact of the matter is we will always have a segment of the population who will not have the advantages of others and they will work the jobs us 'privileged' ones don't have to. However, it is our moral responsibility to take care the person emptying your office trash can every night and serving you your lunch. Their jobs are just as needed as the 'privileged'.
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CommonsenseAmerican
Apr 24, 09 8:51 AM CDT
I said our special forces were waterboarded, I didn't say why. Do they go through all of the other methods of torture that they might endure if they are captured? I would tend to think not. Maybe they go through waterboarding because it's not that severe, but you lib's think it is torture. Our enemies are laughing at how weak you are. I don't think waterboarding was an issue until terrorists flew planes into building killing Americans. Notice you didn't comment on Obama dropping bombs on civillians in Pakistan, why not Dada. Reply
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Robert_Dada
Apr 24, 09 9:00 AM CDT
I don't approve of anyone dropping bombs on civilians, regardless of political party or nation. Happy now, moron? Reply
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Reader68830721
Apr 24, 09 10:06 AM CDT
There is a downside for Hannity, if it gets videotaped. . Hitchens didn't care what he looked like after getting waterboarded. If Hannity goes through with it, it would only be so that he could come out the other side and say, see...that wasn't so bad... But if it's videotaped, that'll tell a different story. He'll look like a pussy. He's already going to look like a pussy if he doesn't go through with it. And he'll look like a pussy if he doesn't allow it to be taped. Reply
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CommonsenseAmerican
Apr 24, 09 10:09 AM CDT
Typical lib, have to call names. You'd be surprised to know that I am not privileged, I dropped out of High school got my GED and got a job in a warehouse making $8.00per hour and know 10yrs later I am an inside salesman making $15.00per hour. Not a whole lot of money but I still would rather pay for my own healthcare than have the Gov. running it. The bottom line is people who are born in this country have plenty of oppurtunities to better themselves, but welfare has taught people that they don't have to go out and achieve because the government will give them stuff for free. That is not what this country is about. I have sympathy for people who can't do it for themselves and I have no problem with my tax dollars going to pay for their needs. But until we admit that there is a lot more people taking advantage of the system than there is people really needing it, things will never change. Reply
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Robert_Dada
Apr 24, 09 10:57 AM CDT
Surprised? No. The credibility of your arguments gave away your intelligence early on.
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CommonsenseAmerican
Apr 24, 09 12:02 PM CDT
Again, all you can do is insult, you can't back up any of your radical thoughts so you resort to insults. Your not hurting my feelings all your doing is reinforcing the argument that if liberals don't agree with you they will insult you because they have no substance. They don't live in the real world. Atleast I went out and earned everything I own and didn't sit around and blame everyone else. Those are the only types of people your ideology appeals to. Lib's have to buy votes by promising things to poor people. Reply
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Robert_Dada
Apr 24, 09 1:31 PM CDT
Funny, the 'lib' ideology very much appeals to me and I make over $100K per year and so does my 'lib' wife. And let's not be naive - conservatives are the masters of angry insult whenever they are confronted with opposing viewpoints (e.g. Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly and ole 'go fuck yourself' Cheney etc. etc.). And let's not forget: conservatives buy votes by promising things to exceedingly rich people at the expense of everyone else. They also play to their un-wealthy constituents by promising guns and religious stagnation to people too dumb to realize they're being screwed over by the very people they continually vote for. Reply
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CommonsenseAmerican
Apr 24, 09 2:05 PM CDT
See I don't consider giving wealthy business owners tax breaks, buying votes. Considering I've never gotten a job from a poor person. As for the guns, isn't that the second amendment. So basically the republicans, want to uphold the constitution and you want to demonize them. You lib's only talk about the constitution when it benefits you and would tear it up in a second. Since you make so much money why don't you give up 60% of your income to pay off your neighbors mortgage and healthcare, be my guest. Just don't try to make everyone else. How long is your boy Obama gonna keep talking about Bush in order to take focus off his radical policies. Reply
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Robert_Dada
Apr 24, 09 2:35 PM CDT
1. Trickle down economics has never worked. Giving the wealthy tax breaks only further contributes the ever widening gap between the richest 2% and the rest of the population. 2. You conservatives continually misinterpret the 2nd amendment and irrationally assume the constitution is fixed and unchangeable as if the founding fathers were omniscient infallible gods. The fact that this country once sanctioned slavery and suppressed womens' right to vote is proof the constitution is not perfect and indeed should be a living document subject to change as societal forces dictate. 3. I pay my fair share of taxes and realize it's necessary for a stable society. If all this spending is so abhorrent, where were all the conservatives when Bush lied to create an unnecessary war which has been costing us about $7 billion per month? 4. Radical policies? As much as you'd like to paint Obama as Hugo Chavez, we are nowhere near socialism. It's just the latest buzzword fed to you by the conservative media to foster fear through ignorance. 8 years of Bush destructive policies has left this nation almost as bad off as the great depression and only these 'radical' policies you complain about will have any chance of turning things around. You can use the word 'radical' if you like. The correct word is 'necessary'. Reply
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CommonsenseAmerican
Apr 24, 09 2:52 PM CDT
Where in the constitution does it talk about slavery and suppression of women's right to vote. It doesn't, so what does that have to do with the 2nd amendment. In an earlier post you talked about republicans embracing overthrowing the constitution and now your talking about the ability to change the constitution, because you don't like the second amendment. How am I misinterpreting the "Right to bear arms". Seems to me your the one who would overthrow the Constitution. You've been exposed. And as for socialism, wouldn't you say nationalized healthcare, nationalizing the banks, and redistribution of wealth is socialism. If not I would love to hear your definition. Let's not forget trying to force people to volunteer. Is this still America? Reply
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Robert_Dada
Apr 24, 09 3:19 PM CDT
1. Precisely my point. What it suggests is that through the Bill of Rights and the subsequent AMENDMENTS (def.. a change made by correction, addition, or deletion to) the constitution, it is historically recognized with precedent that the constitution is truly a living document subject to change. 2. The 2nd Amendment specifies, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..." Individual yahoos with AK 47s (as an example) does not constitute a "well regulated militia". 3. Just because a provider of a good or service is managed by a government does not mean socialism. The govt management of the US armed forces, postal service, etc. is proof of that. 4. Nationalization is another buzzword thrown out by conservative media as a scare tactic broadcast to the ignorant. What you continually mistake as bank nationalization is really temporary receivership; something the FDIC does all the time when a bank fails or is in near failure. 5. No one is 'forcing' anyone to volunteer, hence the word 'volunteer'. Reply
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Nwambe
Apr 25, 09 8:22 AM CDT
My good God. Intelligence on Newser. What a rare and welcome sight.
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Reader69448708
Apr 25, 09 3:56 PM CDT
Robert_Dada, You are basnging your head against a wall witht his guy. I saw that horrible name calling coming a mile away, it is inevitalbe when dealing with morons, albiet, "true Americans that they are... You make true statements, prove your positions and really actually use restraint when the name-calling is un-avoidable. The part about the constitution really kills me, CommonsenseAmerican has no idea we were stripped of the right to habeus corpus for however long it was, were close to being imprisoned for dissent, and will barely be able to clean up the bloody mess overseas, and the poop-strewn financial hole here, because of his daddy-figures and their wrong-minded drivel. kimberbart@yahoo.com Reply
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Reader69448708
Apr 25, 09 3:57 PM CDT
Robert_Dada, You are "banging" your head... Reply
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Reader68188988
Apr 25, 09 6:52 PM CDT
I got me one of them thar GEDs, and I got a big ole pair of internet balls, so I kin argue wit you. Religion and guns, durn right we cling to them and you libs is gonna git it! I m gonna cling to mediocrity iffn I want to. Sis, git in here cuz I got me a hankerin' ! Reply
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