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Ryan Vs Biden: It Gets Feisty

Vice president is especially aggressive, unlike his boss

By Newser Editors,  Newser Staff

Posted Oct 11, 2012 7:58 PM CDT | Updated Oct 11, 2012 9:46 PM CDT

(Newser) – Joe Biden and Paul Ryan have wrapped up the sole vice-presidential debate of the campaign, a much more spirited affair than the first Obama-Romney showdown. Unlike that presidential debate, no clear winner is being anointed. Some highlights:

  • Testy early: Ryan goes after Obama's response to the Libya attack in particular and foreign policy in general. Biden breaks in: "With all due respect, that’s a bunch of malarkey, because not a single thing he said was accurate."
  • One of the things Ryan said: Obama's Mideast policy is "making the world more chaotic and us less safe."
  • Unemployment: Ryan points out that unemployment in Biden's hometown of Scranton is 10%, up from 8.5% since Obama took office. “That’s how things are going all across America,” Ryan said. "That's not how things are going," Biden chimed in. Ryan's line "might have been one of the most powerful punches he threw all night," writes Rosalind S. Helderman at the Washington Post.
  • 47 percent: Obama didn't address the matter at his debate, but Biden did. “These people are my mom and dad,” he said. “They pay more effective tax than Gov. Romney pays with his federal income tax.” The Hill
  • Laugh line: Referring to Romney's 47% remarks, Ryan said that as Biden well knows,"sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way." (But "I always say what I mean," retorted Biden, who added that Romney's "soliloquy" on the 47% was no mere mistake.)
  • Taxes: “There aren’t enough rich people and small businesses to tax to pay for all their spending,” Ryan said of his opponents. Addressing the camera, he said, “Watch out middle class, the tax bill is coming to you.” Biden, on the other hand, said the Ryan-Romney plan is the one that would hit ordinary Americans. “The middle class got knocked on their heels. The great recession crushed them. They need some help now.”
  • Ryan zings: "I know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground, but I think people would be better served if we don't interrupt each other," he said in a clear reference to Obama's debate performance.
  • Moderator: Martha Raddatz of ABC is generally earning high praise for how she handled things. Huffington Post
  • Full transcript: NPR has one from the Federal News Service here.

A theme emerging:

  • "At the least, Paul Ryan has been able to get Joe Biden to react tonight. In the first half hour, we've seen the vice president, huff, fold his arms, declare Mr. Ryan is spewing 'malarkey' and that 'this is stuff!' The congressman has not shown the same emotion." Danny Yadron, Wall Street Journal
  • "As we pass the midway point, the debate has shaped up as a contest between an extraordinarily aggressive, frequently-interrupting Biden and a more restrained, even subdued Ryan. How that plays at home is anyone’s guess—but it’s a real role reversal from last week’s Obama—Romney forum." Alexander Burns, Politico
  • "Biden has been an explosion of reactions all night: laughing, rolling his eyes, grimacing, sighing, furrowing his brow and practically bursting out of his skin to jump at every answer. The question is: How will it play?" Michael D. Shear, New York Times
  • So how did it play? Probably depends on your party, notes AP. GOP strategist Karen Hanretty likened Biden to the "crazy uncle" at Thanksgiving, while Sen. John Kerry tweeted that "by the end of this, Ryan may vote for Joe."

Vice President Joe Biden and Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan shake hands before the debate at Centre College, Thursday, in Danville, Ky.
Vice President Joe Biden and Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan shake hands before the debate at Centre College, Thursday, in Danville, Ky.   (AP Photo/Pool-Michael Reynolds)
Vice President Joe Biden and Rep. Paul Ryan debate.
Vice President Joe Biden and Rep. Paul Ryan debate.   (AP Photo/Pool-Rick Wilking)
Joe Biden gets a little theatrical in his debate with Paul Ryan.
Joe Biden gets a little theatrical in his debate with Paul Ryan.   (AP Photo/Pool-Rick Wilking)
Joe Biden and Paul Ryan debate.
Joe Biden and Paul Ryan debate.   (AP Photo/Pool-Rick Wilking)
Paul Ryan and Joe Biden debate, with moderator Martha Raddatz.
Paul Ryan and Joe Biden debate, with moderator Martha Raddatz.   (AP Photo/Pool-Michael Reynolds)
Joe Biden and Paul Ryan debate.
Joe Biden and Paul Ryan debate.   (AP Photo/David Goldman)
Joe Biden makes a point.
Joe Biden makes a point.   (AP Photo/Pool-Rick Wilking)
Paul Ryan and Joe Biden shake hands after the debate.
Paul Ryan and Joe Biden shake hands after the debate.   (AP Photo/Pool-Michael Reynolds)
Janna Ryan shakes hands with Jill Biden afterward.
Janna Ryan shakes hands with Jill Biden afterward.   (AP Photo/David Goldman)
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COMMENTS
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milo7453
Oct 12, 2012 6:16 PM CDT
All jokes aside...I live in south Florida...the Democratic stronghold of Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach Counties...It feels like it did in 1984 here...I mean in 2008, every where you looked there was Obama/Biden...2012 on the other hand nothing (i have seen 2 bumberstickers)...I have not seen Democrats this quiet since 1984 when a huge number of them became what is now called "Reagan Democrats."
katypnzvsky
Oct 12, 2012 4:53 PM CDT
So you repeated all the Ryan's lie and even didn't tell what Biden reply. You are pathetic. Well Tax cut on rich doesn't create jobs. All those tax cut goes to invetsments abroad. What creates jobs is the middle class purchasing power. If you want to do tax cut on corporations you should at least relate it with outsourcing and do tax cut for those corporations that at least outsource less. Tax increase on rich doesn't kill jobs either. If you use this money for stimulating high tech or road construction it benefits US technology infrastructure and goes back to increase purchasing power and creates even more jobs. Now it is important that middle class can create in its environment new agressive ambitious businessmen and challenge the big business. Old big established business usually become lazy it is not middle class becommeing lazy it is those rich people who are. And we need redistribution of wealth form old conservative business to new innovative. I don't have time for the rest of Ryans malarka, just this one that is the most important.
kawahchan
Oct 12, 2012 12:00 PM CDT
(R) The 2012 ELIZABETH EMKEN for US Senator of California: Last night's Biden vs. Ryan debate, the first 25 minutes, I lost my patience because Joe Biden was too much interrupting, being a US Vice President, Biden was acting all kinds of grinning cheekily, laughing and grimacing. Paul Ryan, YOU passed your Comprehensive Exams in your VP capability and strategy. Anyway, I just complete my 2012 duty to cast my Vote by Mail Ballot for a BETTER TOMORROW's California at the 8th (or 9th) Global Economy in the world. Good luck to Romney-Ryan ticket and good luck to (R) 2012 Elizabeth Emken for US Senator of California.
 

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