Man, 80, Kills Burglar Who Begged for Unborn Child's Life: Cops
''m going to have a baby!' she reportedly pleaded; autopsy shows she wasn't pregnant
By Jenn Gidman, Newser Staff
Posted Jul 25, 2014 12:34 PM CDT
Long Beach Police Chief Jim McDonnell leads a news conference on July 24, 2014, in Long Beach, Calif.   (AP Photo/The Press-Telegram, Gregory Yee)

(Newser) – An 80-year-old Long Beach, Calif., man says he gunned down burglary suspect Andrea Miller Tuesday night as she pleaded for the life of her unborn child, reports the AP. “She says, 'Don't shoot me, I'm pregnant, I'm going to have a baby!' And I shot her anyway," Tom Greer told KNBC-TV. And while cops mull whether Greer will be charged or let off for self-defense in Miller's death, there’s another major question to answer: whether 28-year-old Miller actually was pregnant. Despite her desperate appeal to Greer as she tried to flee, police say she didn’t appear to be with child and that an autopsy will clear up if she was. (Update: That autopsy has found she was not pregnant, reports Fox News.)

Miller and her alleged partner in crime, 26-year-old Gus Adams—who were both unarmed, cops say—allegedly pummeled Greer with their hands and “body-slammed” him to the ground when he busted in on the burglary. Greer says he somehow managed to grab his own gun and shot Miller as she ran away. Cops say Adams has been arrested on suspicion of residential burglary as well as murder, because he was involved in a felony crime that resulted in a death. A neighbor tells CBS Los Angeles that Greer is a “nice old man” who’s been the victim of previous break-ins—and Greer suspects that Miller and Adams were responsible for those, too. However, as a legal analyst notes to KNBC, “[Greer] did shoot a person who was trying to get away … he wasn't in imminent danger himself, and the law says you can't shoot somebody under those circumstances.”

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762x51nato
Jul 26, 2014 11:15 PM CDT
This man defended himself against violent criminals that invaded his home and attacked him because they were interrupted in their crime. Ask any cop: ALL criminals involved in an on-going crime are armed and dangerous and are going to try to kill you until proven otherwise. The fact that these criminals (remember that term: criminal) were not armed wasn't established until later. And again any cop will tell you that just because a criminal says something doesn't mean a thing. People lie all the time plus there is the very real danger of a fleeing criminal producing a weapon while supposedly running away. And who is this idiot talking head? Running away does not reduce the danger or change anything regarding the shooting of a criminal that has entered your home and attacked. Where do they get these people? We need to drop that a-hole into the toughest neighborhood in Chicago or in DC (funny how both cities have Obama in common) just after dark and leave him there to survive on his wits. I almost forgot: leave him with a fully loaded, functioning gun and self-recording video equipment so we can all see how well he does. And as for the woman: She made a very bad decision. As Ayoob states so eloquently she made a mistake in the victim selection process and paid the price. End of story, and rightly so.
Jade
Jul 26, 2014 5:19 PM CDT
There are 3 reasons for punishing crimes: 1) It is supposed to be a public deterrent, used to demonstrate the ramifications of certain actions and discourage others from doing the same. 2) It is supposed to offer a period of rehabilitation to prevent said individual from falling back into old patterns 3) It is just a plain old punishment for doing something illegal. If the punishment is not severe enough, or too many people play the system and get let off it makes crime more appealing and less frightening to people who may be contemplating something like a B&E. However, both the US and Canada fail in their corrections systems, rates of recidivism are ridiculously high so I don't blame an ELDERLY man for taking care of business in his home, which should be his safe and private sanctuary. An important thing to remember also is that body slamming and using physical force against someone who is 80 could easily result in broken bones and often when an elderly person breaks a major bone - I.e hip - in a major fall or as the result of a body slam it often results in death or a very diminished quality of life as they rarely recover to their initial health before the accident. And while it may seem cruel, even if that woman was pregnant, what kind of a life would that child have had? The foster system is not a place any child should grow in and if this woman was so concerned perhaps she shouldn't have been committing a crime in the first place. It turns out she was lying which just indicates that she was manipulative and willing to do anything to not have to answer for her actions. Perhaps apologizing, and not attempting to flee would have made them seem a bit more sorry. If someone breaks into my house I will use whatever weapon I have and finish them - if they wish to remain alive I would strongly recommend against unlawfully entering my home and assuming that I have anything to spare for them or that somehow my life was any easier then theirs or that I have had no hardship or tough choices to make. We all have choices, and we all must live the reality of those choices, and accept that sometimes we cannot change what we have done so we must be sure before we act that we can live with all possible repercussions - even death.
bobvenn
Jul 26, 2014 3:24 PM CDT
A Mans home is his Castle. Do Not Tread past his front door with less than honorable intent. Should a violation of the "Do not Tread" policy be death by gunshot? Probably not, but I guess it depends on the circumstances. In this case, Miller and Adams were already in the house when 80 year old Greer returned home. The 2 unarmed burglars were there to rob his home and he surprised them. According to the article they "pummeled Greer with their hands and “body-slammed” him to the ground." I don't think their intent was to "Beat him up", they just wanted to "Get Away". Greer must have been very close to his gun and pulled it before Miller could get out of the house. My Opinion: At this point Greer was in control of the situation. His life was not in danger and there was no further threat of additional physical injury. He should have held Miller at Gun Point until the Police arrived. I am really bothered that Greer shot Miller even after she claimed she was pregnant. That indicates to me little compassion for human life....especially an innocent unborn fetus. (if she was actually pregnant) Greer is 80 years old and any extended prison time would amount to a "life sentence". I believe he should be charged with a crime but not serve any time in prison. If Miller was actually pregnant, and Greer intentionally killed a pregnant woman under the reported circumstances, then I feel he should spend the rest of his life in prison. We are a civilized society and cannot tolerate/allow such action. I will be willing to bet Miller and Adams were/are drug addicts feeding their drug habit in the only way they knew how. They needed help, there are many programs that could have provided help. They Chose the other path. I do hope Greer feels a little pain in his gut after taking the life of another human being. I hope he did not take pleasure in killing her. That would be sad.