Dr. Phil has aired the first of two episodes with alleged secret recordings of Jared Fogle—and it's stomach-churning stuff. In recordings made by FBI informant Rochelle Herman-Walrond, a man she identifies as Fogle talks about his sexual desire for children and discusses who might be the "most promising" victim at a pool party for young children that Herman-Walrond claimed to be planning, the Indianapolis Star reports. After hearing descriptions of boys and girls that the informant had invented, Fogle decides a 7-year-old "girl from the broken home" would be a "definite possibility." Herman-Walrond says the recordings, which Dr. Phil described as the "playbook of an evil monster," were made over four years.
"I like all ages," Fogle says in one recording, per CNN. "That's the thing, I mean. I like all of them. You know." He says it isn't hard "at all" to lure children, and he waits for one to "give you the glance." "We just start sharing stories, and then, you know, we get a little closer, and a little closer, and a little closer, and before you know it, it just starts to happen," he says. Herman-Walrond—who says she gained Fogle's trust in order to bring him down, and that the experience has left her scarred—told Dr. Phil that she had made Subway aware of the recordings in 2011, though the chain says the complaint was made via its website and did not mention anything illegal, People reports. (Fogle, who will be sentenced Nov. 19, has already paid out at least $1 million to victims.)