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bcfilmguy.. thanks for your answer. I understand where your coming from its just that its not beneficial to society or to your self. I will never be able to convince you that being gay is a choice, and I understand how it can be perceived that its not. After all you even said why would anyone chose to be gay with all its hardships. The same can be said about ladies in abusive relationships that somehow they just cant seem to get out of but that in no way negates the fact that it is their own decision. Tolerance and acceptance should never never trump truth. Teaching it above all else ends up with a flip-flop view of the world. Is their anything that should not be tolerated? how about killing innocent people. You would agree that should not be tolerated right? But how does the -liberal- left- progressive-gay-peace loving among us view abortion? All of a sudden killing is tolerable. Oh wait thats just (tissue) stupid me. So I think its safe to say teaching toleration has its place just not at the top. From your statement you seem to have a view that religion is the cause of narrowmindedness around the world. Could it be that Its more likely the misapplication of religion that does all sorts of evil. People always point back to the evils of the crusade and associate all Christians with that. Thats like me saying that all gay people have or will at some time molest a boy. That just stupid, not all have. Of course it goes without saying that the gay communities, tolerance for a small fringe society of those that want to do that is telling. The same goes for lumping christianity as the reason for biggoted narrowmindedness. Sure there have been some who call themelves Christian and then hold up signs that say "God Hates Fags". If you will not associate me with them I will promise not to associate all gays with the Man boy love group. Finally, relationships of "love" love is difficult to define but its at is best when no harm is done. A loving relationship between a man and a woman will bring forth from it generally, society. Thats all I am trying to protect. And you want to protect what? The gay lifestyle? A loving commitment to grow society? Giving it that great leep forward? Don't get me wrong I would rather you not be gay but I am not going to take away your life choices just live with the choices you made. Don't make straight people around this country apply to the gay community that which is only true of a man and a woman. Marriage.

Acceptance of gay marriage benefits gay and lesbian couples directly the most, but it does benefit others, because it sets an example for the next generation about tolerance and acceptance, which is one of the most important things to teach. Also, I don't want to get heated or personal, as you sound like an intelligent person, but the fact that you indicate that being gay is a choice makes it hard for me to respect any of your other points. How can you possibly think that a person chooses something that makes life so difficult and makes them the target of discrimination? It's unfathomable to me that people can still hold this ignorant view. And in response to the printing press, yes the press was used to distribute copies of the Christian bible to a greater number of people. But again it is an example of forcing an ideology onto people for better control. They did not use it to distribute various religious texts but only to further push the messages of Christianity. Press aside, religious institutions have been at the forefront of book-burning and ostracizing "fringe" groups as you call them. We've had gay marriage in Canada for awhile now and nobody's running for the hills. America is creating a wedge issue and indulging in its own self-importance to the point where you'd think this was a new issue. How about checking outside of your borders to see that gay marriage has been accepted and not become an issue in other countries? Finally, what does the gay community gain by "stealing a word?" It's not stealing. What you're saying is that the love shared between a same-sex couple is inferior to that shared between a heterosexual couple. Gloss it up all you want, but that's what you're saying. Being accepted as equals means that the government and society recognizes that you are in a valid relationship of love, and is a step to discouraging hate and the gay bashings you are so against.

Where the hell did you get that, newsrmandan? Only defined by the gay community? WTF? Fine, use the printing press as an example if you're going to go in that direction. "Moral" and religious institutions have tried to suppress bestowing knowledge to the masses to keep things the way they want it to be, but books are printed and people have access to information. That is progress. And people are slowly starting to learn that gay people are just like everyone else and that so many of the prejudices they held are unfounded. The culture is not going to move in the other direction. You know why? Because it's recognizing love. And though there may be bumps in the road, I have faith in the human race and we're destined to do better and not be controlled by ignorance and fear. Anything else?