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the big plan

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South Carolina senator throws weight behind conservative insurgents

16 hours, 1 minute ago
Congress' New
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TALK SHOW ROUNDUP

Biden: Obama Team 'Misread' the Economy

Colin Powell 'concerned' by Obama's spending

By Wesley Oliver| Posted Jul 5, 09 11:00 AM CDT|

(Newser) – Joe Biden conceded today that the Obama administration “misread” how bad the economy actually was and that now the unemployment rate is “much too high,” The Hill reports. In an interview taped in Iraq with This Week, the vice president also said the US doesn’t intend to slow its withdrawal plans from Iraq even if violence surges after American forces leave.

Washington saved some fireworks for the Sunday talk shows today:

“Concerned” by the level of President Obama’s spending, Colin Powell urged him to slow down his ambitious agenda on State of the Union, saying, “We can’t pay for it all.”
On Fox News Sunday, Karl Rove said he was “perplexed” by Sarah Palin’s decision to resign—a strategy Mike Huckabee called “risky.”
Sen. Chuck Grassley said he was “astounded” by Palin’s move, but Bill Kristol maintained that Palin’s experience equals Obama’s, since he failed to finish one Senate term before being elected president.
On Face the Nation, Chuck Schumer said, “Make no mistake about it, there will be a public option” in Washington’s final health care reform bill.
In sharp contrast to Biden, Adm. Mike Mullen said he was concerned about any possible Israeli military strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities.

In this July 1, 2008 file photo, former Secretary of State Colin Powell speaks in Providence, R.I., (AP Photo/Steven Senne, File)

Vice President Joe Biden, right, is seen with his son, Army Capt. Beau Biden, in Iraq, Saturday, July 4, 2009. (AP Photo/ Khalid Mohammed, Pool)

Vice President Joe Biden listens as he attends a Recovery Act Implementation Cabinet meeting, Thursday, June 25, 2009, in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building on the White House campus in Washington. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)

Vice President Joe Biden speaks at Willard & Kelsey Solar Group in Perrysburg, Ohio, Tuesday June 23, 2009. (AP Photo/Madalyn Ruggiero)

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prowlerzee
Jul 5, 09 11:03 AM CDT

hahahaha! no duh. the "brilliant" Uh-uh-uh-bama is outed by loose lips Biden as the know-nothing some of us knew he was all along. Reply

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Reader64481089
Jul 5, 09 11:44 AM CDT

Yes, some of us knew all along but still will not admit the Republican President drove the damn ship into the Typhoon that we are entangled in, they just want to blame the Democrat who is fighting with every tool her has to win the battle. You want to point a finger of blame? Blame the piece of crap that destroyed the economy before Obama took office idiot.

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Doctor_Zaius
Jul 5, 09 11:58 AM CDT

What Reader6 said X100.

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RaptorFan
Jul 5, 09 1:38 PM CDT

My word, could you folks be any more partisan??? Do you really think all grunts and utterings from Washington should be torn apart through a Dem or Rep lens??? Do you also really think Bush himself caused this economic crisis? BOTH parties had lobbyed hard for dramatically increased home ownership, both D and R administrations loosened regs on financial institutions. The administration and this congress will make mistakes, the fact that they are willing to recognize they misread something is positive and healthy, all politicians could lean from that.

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SBS
Jul 5, 09 7:16 PM CDT

RF. Good observations.

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Yourself
Jul 6, 09 11:29 AM CDT

RaprtorFan, - problem with that is that it's not just on the back of the home ownership plans. Look, they claim that ttax deductible interest on a mortgage is a good incetinve to buy a home, but Canada has a higher rate of home ownership then the US and their economy is doing rather well concidering the world economies meltdown. I'm not saying they're doing great, but they are doing a hell of a lot better then the US, and again, they have higher home ownership, without the tax incentive that has almost always existed here.

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Snowleopard
Jul 6, 09 6:01 PM CDT

ZeroThreeQuarter - A correlation doesn't necessarily mean a cause and effect relationship. Canada wasn't nearly as leverage upon debt, which meant that the had less of a housing bubble, which meant that housing prices weren't driven up to prices that are beyond affordability for the lower class. That, plus they've got tons of land compared to their population. There are other factors at play besides the tax credit. Oh, and RaptorFan, thanks, there needs to be more moderates out there... there's way too much finger pointing and name calling going on lately.

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kokuaguy
Jul 5, 09 11:06 AM CDT

Thank you for this brilliant bit of analysis, prowler. Reply

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Amber
Jul 5, 09 3:35 PM CDT

Did ya choke from laughter as you typed that? I did when reading LOL, spewed coke on another monitor LMAO

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ack
Jul 5, 09 11:16 AM CDT

Thing is, Obama's team said this after only a few months. Bush's folks misread it for years -- and even if they had realized what a mess they made, they would never have admitted it. Hence, 1 in 10 Americans is out of work, and they're whining about how much it's costing to fix their mess! Reply

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TerrifiedCitizen
Jul 5, 09 11:21 AM CDT

If the secret high-sign is sent to Israel, they'll strike Iran in a heartbeat with boatloads of American hardware. This usefulness as a middle east pawn is the reason they continue to get away with their continuous chicanery. Reply

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anchower
Jul 5, 09 8:13 PM CDT

You've got it backward: America is Israel's pawn.

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JonmarkP
Jul 6, 09 1:29 AM CDT

You got it, Anchower - America is Israel's pawn. How in hell did we ever get to be the tail on their dog?

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foodchain11
Jul 5, 09 11:24 AM CDT

how could anyone predict how AWFUL A MESS BUSH-CHENEY would leave us? Aslo, everyone said we would have double digit unemployment 6 mo ago--everyone!! Reply

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ClearSight
Jul 5, 09 1:37 PM CDT

You do know there are other branches of government? Bush didn't do it alone, congress has a HUGE part to play in this disaster.

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anchower
Jul 5, 09 8:18 PM CDT

You do know that Bush had a Republican Congress for his first six years, right? And that he didn't veto anything? And that even after 2006, the Democrats didn't have anywhere near enough votes to override a veto? So no, Congress did not have "a HUGE part to play in this disaster." The fault is all Bush and Cheney's. Try actually reading some of the stories on Newser instead of rattling off some shit you half-remember from sixth-grade social studies.

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ClearSight
Jul 5, 09 10:20 PM CDT

Anchower, I blame them all, its morons like yourself that can't see the big picture, but then again that small brain of yours can't process much.......hence the repeated insults.

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godawgs
Jul 6, 09 8:54 AM CDT

No the president said that if we passed the stimulus bill unemployment would not get about 8%. He said that every economist agreed that we had to do that to keep the unemployment rate down. So everyone didn't say that we would have double digit unemployment. Also you do realize that congress approved the spending? The democratic controlled congress approved the spending the last two years, when the economy started to get really bad? If you compare Bush's first 6 years in office when the democrats didn't have a majority in congress to the last two you tell me how the economy went? I will give you a hint it went into the toilet the last two.....but as they say he who wins gets to write history.

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suiteharte
Jul 5, 09 11:40 AM CDT

If President Obama and the Congress were truly interested in fixing this economy they would give everyone with an adjusted gross income of $250K or less last year, their taxes back. Demonstrably, we can spend our money better than they can ! Reply

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Doctor_Zaius
Jul 5, 09 12:02 PM CDT

And then the Republicans would cry that we are spending too much money. Question: what will a guy with no job buy with his tax cut? Answer: Nothing.

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JaneMP
Jul 5, 09 4:24 PM CDT

Suitehart--then what would the government use to pay for the Republican wars in Iran/Afghanistan, to keep the federal agencies going (you might not like the government but I bet you wouldn't want to fly if there weren't agencies protecting you), and all the other things you expect from the government? This is simplistic hooey.

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godawgs
Jul 6, 09 8:55 AM CDT

DR. Z we are all getting tax cuts now, I know that you eagerly await that extra $7 a paycheck right?

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godawgs
Jul 6, 09 8:56 AM CDT

@JaneMP if they are republican wars why are we still there? Why are we ramping up to do the same thing in Afghanistan that we did in Iraq?

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DeniseVB
Jul 5, 09 12:11 PM CDT

Obama may have inherited a bad economy from Bush, but that's no excuse to make it WORSE. Stop blaming Bush, this is now the Obama economy circling the drain. Reply

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jaguarj
Jul 5, 09 12:51 PM CDT

He inherited more than a bad economy..

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UrUndertaker
Jul 5, 09 3:54 PM CDT

Obama economy circling the drain? Dear clueless, who began this chit by being the one giving million to the defunct auto industry or have you conveniently forgotten? GW did that thank you very much. As per Obama being to blame, where the hell are the directions to salvaging an economy? There are none, he acted fast because SOMEONE HAD TO ACT. The a$$clowns who left DC left a sinking ship, they knew it was about to crash when they sat there screaming WMD's and printing checks we could not cash .Take that republican trash and shove it because the majority of Americans know where this sinking ship sprang the leak and they also know which party sold the damn ship for scrap metal so they could make a profit and run. All this belongs to the Republican Party and Obama is stuck picking up after your President and wet dream come true for you GW Bush

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JaneMP
Jul 5, 09 4:25 PM CDT

The story is told that FDR didn't have any idea how to bring the US out of depression. He tried things: those that worked, he kept; those that didn't, he tossed. All of this is trial and error. I'd rather be having President Obama making those decisions than the "cut taxes for the wealthy" crowd.

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godawgs
Jul 6, 09 8:59 AM CDT

@UrUndertaker at this point what is a million dollars? We are talking about Obama giving them $50 BILLION dollars. The act just made the situation worse. Now they are trying to back their way out of it by saying they misread the situation. That is why the majority of American's are not happy with the Presidents economic policies. So I wouldn't really call it picking up after Bush since the congress (democratic controlled) created the problem.

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BOMBS_OVER_BAGHDAD
Jul 6, 09 5:05 PM CDT

At what point do "we" stop putting all the blame on Bush for ruining the economy, and start putting the blame on Obama for not fixing it? Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to give Obama time to fix it. But, will all the die hard liberals in here ever own up to it if he doesn't fix it? Doubtful, they will just say, "Bush put us in too deep of a hole". That may be the case, but if so, Obama is not the Saint you make him out to be.

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suiteharte
Jul 5, 09 12:25 PM CDT

( Question: what will a guy with no job buy with his tax cut? Answer: Nothing. ) But Doctor, would not this person want / need to pay some bills ? Are we not told that it is our debt that got us into this mess ? How can we expect our government to act responsibly if we won't act responsibly? btw... I'm one of those unemployed Reply

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freethemall
Jul 5, 09 1:12 PM CDT

It is becoming more and more apparent that the Size of the stimulus was insufficient. Those who weld the levers of power, should have heeded Krugman's council. Reply

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ksu92
Jul 5, 09 1:16 PM CDT

Biden is just trying to re-establish the long tradition of vice-presidents just being harmless but clueless figureheads. Reply

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komodo_d
Jul 5, 09 3:30 PM CDT

All I can say is thanks Bush for phucking up America. Reply

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Reader64481089
Jul 5, 09 3:46 PM CDT

All I can say or will say in Obama has dome more in six (6 (translation for the Republican party members)) months than the last clown did in 8 years. He has taken on more in six months than has been done since John Kennedy attempted to address so many of our social injustices and that is sad. President Obama will and has made mistakes and he will make more, all of us make them daily but one thing you must admit unless you are totally blind to reality is the man is attempting to START a very long process and get the ball rolling that has been left unattended for almost a quarter of a century. In the first 6 months he has tackled a tone, and the reason being is so much always gets left behind. Yes, he backed away from less pressing social issues but when he has thinned his plate he will again pick them up, he can't do everything that has been ignored or totally screwed up for the last 8 years in half a years time. This man has shown more guts than any sitting President in a very long time and he honestly is attempting to start something that will continue to grow for many years after he is gone and he isn't doing it for a brownie button he is doing things that need to be done because they are the right thing to do. It isn't perfection but it stands a better chance than we have seen in decades. If the man fails it will be through no fault of his own, we allowed this mess to be created and now we seek someone else to blame but where the blame truly belongs and that blame belongs on us for not demanding the resignation of the liars and thieves who sat in that office for the last few years as well as our allowing others to distract us from what really should have been all our priorities from day 1. Reply

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RaptorFan
Jul 5, 09 4:15 PM CDT

Seriously..."If the man fails it will be through no fault of his own..." Our democracy is doomed if one blindly follows the leader. I voted for him and believe it was the right thing, but you cannot follow someone blindly and say if they fail, it wasn't their fault.

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ClearSight
Jul 5, 09 4:22 PM CDT

Obama is a Chameleon and cant be trusted like every other politician...........so give up your BS and remove your cranium from your backside.

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ClearSight
Jul 5, 09 4:24 PM CDT

Raptorfan, do you know the difference between a Republic and a democracy? News Flash, we are a Republic.....

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freethemall
Jul 5, 09 4:29 PM CDT

I agree with all you say, except that John Kennedy was not the last one to attempt to address social injustice. You, like so many others, fail to give Lyndon B. Johnson his due, There was more attempted, and more accomplished in the way of social justice, during the Johnson administration, than at any time since the end of WWII.

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anchower
Jul 5, 09 8:24 PM CDT

Where do get your information from, ClearSight? Snapple caps? This is most certainly--at least in theory--a representative democracy.

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anchower
Jul 5, 09 8:30 PM CDT

freethemall is correct. I would just add that LBJ did more to promote social justice than any other presidents except Lincoln and Grant. (Lincoln freed the slaves; Grant tried to make sure they stayed free.)

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ClearSight
Jul 5, 09 10:24 PM CDT

Anchower your ignorance and twisted knowledge of history makes you a bore......

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anchower
Jul 6, 09 7:21 PM CDT

Prove me wrong, CuntSight. Name one president who did more than Lincoln, Grant, or Johnson to promote social justice. And tell me exactly what this president did. Can't? Fuck off, then.

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VAZ
Jul 5, 09 3:59 PM CDT

So, the obama team gets a free pass as an "oops, my bad". Funny how they will never accept any responsibility for this...and in the next 8 years (he will be elected. The Masses are Asses and love this celebrity, yet know nothing about him nor do they care) obama MIGHt say "I accept full responsibility" which means NOTHING...its how politiciand and public figures and celebrities get out of trouble by saying it...because they know NOTHING HAPPENS to them. Love hearing you democrats whine and moan about being "attacked". Shoe is on the other foot non, huh? You like it? Yeah, I thought so. Next time shut your pie-hole and stop with all the nazi photoshops and calling for Bush's assassination. Nobody on the right has done that yet, but you whackos did it from DAY ONE Reply

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UrUndertaker
Jul 5, 09 5:40 PM CDT

OK genius, name one thing GW did for this country that was not a self serving act. Let's see, he "liberated Iraq" oh yea, we see the results of that crap as our troops pull out and the people of Iraq throw a party as the "invader" leave, that is the Iraq word for the American troops. Oh yea, the environment. GW made it easier to obtain land to drill for gas and oil in National Parks leaving the environment trashed, he removed endangered species from the list that had been created to protect them, and that list was quickly dealt with for the most part as Obama spent his first few weeks reversing the trash decisions made by your megalomaniac president. OK, he protected us from the infamous WMD's, yea right...where exactly did they discover those btw? Oh thats right, it was a lie, and how about the proven link between Iraq and terrorist? Oh yea, forgot another lie yes your man took an economy with a SURPLUS and quickly decimated the economy with his private war for oil and power now this clown has his clones paying to hear him once more butcher the English language as he gives speeches, here is a money saving tip for you. Go to Youtube and revel in his greatness while he attempts to talk and chew gum at the same time, face it...it was hard for him to lie with a straight face so his speeches were always a screwed up mess. Obama has been there only 6 months and has attempted to help the American public more than GW did in 8 years. Those are facts so live with it because I voted against that mad dog each and every time.

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FLfunnyboy
Jul 5, 09 6:27 PM CDT

wow people getting crazy on this blog Reply

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Derni
Jul 5, 09 7:22 PM CDT

the issues surrounding the economy are more complex then ever before-it is an INTERNATIONAL economy and we can't fix it all by ourselves-if we didn't pump money into it we'd be in a depression now-is that what you want? then go for it- Reply

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Derni
Jul 5, 09 9:20 PM CDT

the team didn't misrerad it-the situation is just more dire than thought-and you have a guy working with you that is an expert on the 1930 depression so if anyone can bring us thru this the team and he can-if you guys can't then wha happens -happens-there are no guarnatees in this life-even though we expect things to turn out with happy endings-go for it Reply

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armywife
Jul 5, 09 10:16 PM CDT

clearsight - you are correct that we are a republic, but we are also a democracy, a "respresentative democracy" to be exact. here's an exerpt from wikipedia which may explain what i mean: "Even though there is no specific, universally accepted definition of 'democracy', there are two principles that any definition of democracy includes. The first principle is that all citizens, not invested with the power to govern, have equal access to power and the second that all citizens enjoy legitimized freedoms and liberties....In contemporary usage, the term democracy refers to a government chosen by the people, whether it is direct or representative. The term republic has many different meanings, but today often refers to a representative democracy with an elected head of state". that's us - the "representative democracy", which is the same thing as a republic, and is a different thing than a direct democracy which is what people are thinking of when they think of the majority/mob rule definition of democracy. the direct democracy is what our founding fathers criticized and is what people like you have in mind when you point out that "we are a republic, not a democracy". but for all intents and purposes, republics and representative democracies are the same thing. a belated happy 4th of july to everyone, by the way :) Reply

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MrsK
Jul 5, 09 10:23 PM CDT

Pretty sure Biden is the worst VP in history, but hey, BO picked him, so there. Reply

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Corona_Kinq
Jul 6, 09 8:22 AM CDT

WTF, did you let a third grader type that response?

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Sabrina
Jul 5, 09 11:16 PM CDT

Well at least Biden didn't endorse a technique first taught to the USA by the North Vietnamese when they Water boarded US service men, it was Cheney who lowered American standards to do that. Also in Bidens favor he did not award mufti-million dollar contracts to his old company, no bid contracts I might add. I will go further and make one bet, if he a Democrat so much as farted the Republican base would have him prosecuted yet amazingly the entire party is so very quiet when it comes to the corruption that helped tear the heart out of this country came from their wonderful team of Bush Cheney. Face it, the true problem you have with Obama is he is black and was elected, hurry and put on your pointy hats, your late for a cross burning somewhere I am sure Reply

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riffran
Jul 6, 09 3:26 AM CDT

No he just pays off ACORN, and consorts with convicted domestic terrorist, and don't forget "NOT GOD BLESS AMERICA....GOD DAMN AMERIKKKA"...Oh thats right he only went to that church for 20 years and NEVER heard that kinda thing...lol Reply

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UrUndertaker
Jul 6, 09 8:21 AM CDT

Perhaps that is due to your not actually having to live in the poorest areas of any city for the majority of your life because of your skin color? Many of you 1: either do not know the real history due to your age 2: Have your white faces turned toward the sun like mindless sun flowers. Let me give you some REAL HISTORY.........A Decent size city, a progressive industry. White faces everywhere you looked in this city YET if you were black you all lived in the same two areas, this was because of race and income. The year was 1973 and it was still happening. The "neighborhood" was named "Jacks Quarters" and there was only 1 street in and one street out making it VERY easy for the cops to seal the neighborhood and thousands of black people. Jacks Quarters wasn't unique, it was and is repeated all over America and the only problem is now poor from EVERY race are being forced into these areas where the people are treated worse than crap on a daily basis and also treated as inferior by the "upper class" who the majority turns out to be middle and upper class white faced sun flowers of the Republican party, you never remember them unless you want your pool cleaned or lawn mowed. This is where that speech came from, and this is where that anger springs. We as whites cultivated people holding that hate through our ignorance but it was the first time many sun flowers were actually confronted with such talk. As to an earlier remark of Obama "consorting" with known terrorist, shove that up your uptight a$$, the so called Right Wing Rumor was proven false by the time it was spouted but the mindless bots who first heard it continue to the day to take it as a fact. B/S

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