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CIA Threatened to Kill, Rape Detainee Families: Report

Posted Aug 24, 09 2:33 PM CDT|

(AP) – A newly declassified CIA report says interrogators threatened to kill the children of a Sept. 11 suspect. The document, released today by the Justice Department, says one interrogator said a colleague had told Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that if any other attacks happened in the United States, "We're going to kill your children."

Another interrogator allegedly tried to convince a different terror suspect detainee that his mother would be sexually assaulted in front of him—though the interrogator in question denied making such a threat. The report, written in 2004, examined CIA treatment of terror detainees following the Sept. 11 attacks. It has been declassified as part of a lawsuit brought by the ACLU.

A 1971 close up of the seal of the US Central Intelligence Agency. (AP Photo)

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is seen shortly after his capture during a raid in Pakistan. (AP Photo)

A US flag hangs above the sign marking the Camp Justice compound, the site of the U.S. war crimes tribunal on Guantanamo Bay. (AP Photo)

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Citrixguy
Aug 24, 09 2:35 PM CDT

They said mean things to terrorists...OH NO!!! say it ain't so Reply

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calkino
Aug 24, 09 2:42 PM CDT

if you want to argue that we are morally superior to terrorists, we have to maintain our moral superiority to terrorists. breaking recognized international laws is not the way to do it.

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paul123
Aug 24, 09 2:52 PM CDT

yes, lets offer them tea and crumpets and ask if they will just make nice with us as they continue to plan against us. Maybe we can even fit in a nice game of cribbage or yahtzee if time allows.

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IndependentThinker
Aug 24, 09 2:55 PM CDT

You mean they said mean things to the 'guys'. First of they never got a trial so there was no conviction to prove they were terrorist. Then they are beaten, tortured and had their family threatened. With all the poor intel the US used during this time there is no way to be sure that these guys were not just picked up and forced to confess they were part of some terror ring.

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paul123
Aug 24, 09 3:06 PM CDT

@thinker: These people shouldn't even be protected under the Geneva convention, but that said, that "poor" intel, is the same info that not only the repub's but the democrats saw, and BOTH parties signed off on it.

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paul123
Aug 24, 09 3:08 PM CDT

Nice Critix, your comment was flagged after only 20 mins. All for simply saying : "They said mean things to terrorists...OH NO!!! say it ain't so". yeah, real offensive.

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reasonator
Aug 24, 09 3:15 PM CDT

Oh, so If you don't like someone's comment you simply flag it as though it was inappropriate? What a slimy tactic. There was nothing wrong with citrixguy's comment.

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Reader60610265
Aug 24, 09 3:15 PM CDT

Ya I saw that too . The one I posted below ought to be worth at least a -20.

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Scrambles
Aug 24, 09 3:25 PM CDT

@paul - thinker is right; how can this treatment be justified when none of these "terrorists" were ever given a trial for it to be proven that they are terrorists? the cold hard facts are that many many of the inmates in our secret prisons and at gitmo are being wrongfully imprisoned, with the only reason being given by obama right now as to why they shouldnt be released being that they may be dangerous and seek revenge for hot hey ahve been treated...its pretty safe to say that we have created these terrorists through the treatment of anyone who was suspected of contacting a terririst in the past 20 years despite any evidence they they were terrorists before imprisoning anbd in turn torturing them

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Sabrina
Aug 24, 09 3:50 PM CDT

@ IndependentThinker, remember all the fuss about the guys who were released from Gitmo? They had been tired and found NOT GUILTY, they were rounded up because of their skin color. In the end the oly one they ever wanted to change was China and not the USA and they did not bomb or kill anyone. Also there was a kid arested in a roundup who was a young teen when busted along with 30 others, he was found NOT GUILTY but kept locked away for almost 3 more years because GW didn't want word out that he blew it by having that one tourtured.

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Reader60610265
Aug 24, 09 3:04 PM CDT

As it has bee through out the history of warfare one needs to fight the same way ones adversary does . No it's not morally right ,it never has been but it's a proven tactic .And as far as it goes as long as it saves our sons a daughters lives I don't care . One can't fight a war based on moral values , because your opponent will always use them to their advantage . Moral values have always been the first casualties of warfare . If you think I'm wrong , check out ww2, korea, vietnam They were the first things lost in all of those wars . I'm sorry but it's a fact ,all you have to do is look it up. I can give plenty of examples , but that would be a very long and tedious job. All the so called moral rules of war look great on paper but were very seldom adhered to . Reply

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Amber
Aug 24, 09 3:38 PM CDT

As Scrambles attempt to explain, many of the ones tourtured are the same ones being released now to other countries due to the fact that they are innocent and the only "sin" they commited was being brown and being in a market square when a large scale raid was held and everyone was rounded up as a "lesson" to any that might plot against the Gov of Iraq. One such case was a teen boy who had never held a gun, knew nothing of bombs and now has turned age of consent and only recently been released even though he was found NOT GUILTY over 3 years ago, it would have been an embarasment to the Bush Administration so they simply kept him locked away in their island tourture chamber away from Laws....the Tourture is wrong and inexcusable, that is NOT why Vietnam was lost the reason Vietnam was lost was due to the President at the time running the show and not the military on the ground. They used our bombiong as a bargaining chip for a treaty and it cost us the war along with the bad press from the Mi Lai incident and a few other screw ups

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Reader60610265
Aug 24, 09 3:47 PM CDT

I did not say that's why the Vietnam war was lost. I'm well aware of why that war was lost . I said the first things that are lost in war are the so called moral reasons they were fought in the first place. And I did say I don't care how we win as long as we win . If your going to critique at least get it right.

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Reader60610265
Aug 24, 09 5:23 PM CDT

Sorry something came up . Amber as for last portion of your comment you are entirely right . That's why running wars should be left to the military , the ones who have been trained to fight them . The military unfortunately is the ones that have to go or forced to go fight the wars that the politics started in the first place. The men and women who were sent to Vietnam were sold out by the politicians and a public out cry because they were lied to by their leaders.and that's why we won't win in Iraq or afghanistan the politicians and public opinion are running these wars also.

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paul123
Aug 25, 09 3:44 PM CDT

only a -12 reader, sorry.

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dontlikenobody
Aug 24, 09 4:25 PM CDT

Citrixslime doesn't seem to be flagged after all - how'd that happen? One correction, Calkino, as they have proven here, neither Citrixslime or Rooter60 is morally superior to anything higher than pond slime - "ya gotta do whatcha gotta do slong as ya wins, ergh." Mafia dons set a higher moral standard. Neanderthals set a higher moral standard. Reply

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Reader60610265
Aug 24, 09 5:59 PM CDT

If you don't fight to win why fight at all . It's just like the crap you libs teach your kids ,it's ok to loose if you played fair . It doesn't work in fantasies it doesn't work in real life. No one gets ahead in life by being fair to the competition.

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youngblood
Aug 24, 09 6:32 PM CDT

I swear sometimes I think that we live in an Oprah watching sniffling crying United States of America. Most of you people that are saying the terrorist should have been treated with kid gloves obviously have Not had anyone you knew and loved that were KILLED by these fucked up terrorists on September 11, 2001 Reply

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Reader60610265
Aug 24, 09 6:59 PM CDT

There you go . It used to be you kicked the crap out of criminals (in this case terrorist ) not hug them and kiss them and tuck them in to bed.

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Ucantusethatname
Aug 24, 09 8:06 PM CDT

There is a big difference between doing terrible things and threatening to do terrible acts. After 9/11, the sheetheads lost any right to respect or legal protection. Compared to the deeds they did, a few threats is a small price to pay. Reply

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Rocky
Nov 15, 09 6:05 AM CST

Which 'sheetheads' are you referring to? This is an anti-Semitic remark! Firstly, the Arabs and Jews are part of the Semitic race, and Jews also cover their heads. So your remark offends both Jews and Arabs. And by the way, on the topic of your explanation- you cannot commit a collective punishment on people- it is illegal. If someone in the USA committed a crime in another country, are you trying to say that all US Americans then have lost all their legal rights to a fair trial, fair treatment, humane treatment? Or is it only Americans who are allowed hypocrisy, double standards? The people who committed the 9/11 atrocities were from countries considered to be US allies! Nobody is saying the accused should be kissed and hugged, but what we are saying here is that we are supposedly civilized. If you do not support the law and human rights, why are you different from the terrorists? Because you happen to be American? Really?! And where did Saddam Hussein get his chemical weapons from? The west. Ah, the west. The 'innocen't west.

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riffran
Aug 25, 09 5:23 AM CDT

The CIA only threatened to do bad things.....THEY did them...remember Daniel Pearl, remember our soldiers getting drug down the streets and tortured and left in a ditch, the Saddam torture rooms, the ritual rape his sick fu** sons were brought up doing, Chemical Ali.....ect..by the way Mustard gas killing the 5000 kurds was "not" a WMD????? ha Reply

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skeptik
Aug 25, 09 10:52 AM CDT

Would that be the wmds that Ronald Regan sold to His good ally Saddam Hussein, or some they managed to produce on their own?

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Adapt-Overcome
Aug 25, 09 8:32 AM CDT

Paul123. Signed off on what? The Geneva Convention? Regardless of poor intel or not it was signed and agreed upon by all. And for the Bush administration to use their arrogance to do as they pleased was WRONG. 2 Wrongs don't make a Right. And "these" people. How would you like it if they said "these" people and they were referring to you and your kind? It has been proven by the medical intel that all that the aggressive torture does is give FALSE information. They will say and do anything to stop the torture. So, there is your "poor" intel. And they are torturing people, most of whom they have no concrete evidence that they actually are terrorist, how many of those tortured were as innocnet as you and I? We'll never know, because they had to cover their asses and so I'm sure all their files will have something "incrimminating" on each victim. And to threaten the lives of their families....makes these men NO Better than those they are seeking to judge. Reply

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bewilderbeast
Aug 25, 09 8:47 AM CDT

@Paul123 please tell me you don't think if "the Repubs and the Dems" sign off on something that its OK then? I cling to the hope that those Americans who are defiantly NOT Repub NOR Dem are part (an essential part) of your great country. Free your vote: De-register from both establishment parties now! And vote as a real (small d) democrat on the issues (not on the person nor the party). Reply

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Rocky
Nov 15, 09 5:50 AM CST

Threatening to harm a prisoner's or political enemy's family was one of the tactics used under Saddam Hussein's government. The USA clearly does not have the moral high ground. Oh, and the USA, like Saddam Hussein, used Abu Ghraib as a place of torture. Hypocrisy? Yes. And explain why the Geneva Conventions don't apply to these prisoners, please? Are you using international law, or the arguments of war criminal lawyers who should be debarred for encouraging torture with their advisory memos on how to get away with it using slick new definitions. Reply

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Rocky
Nov 15, 09 6:37 AM CST

And to that person who said that threatening to kill or rape someone's else's family member is merely 'mean', what if someone did that to you? Wouldn't you report it to the police if someone threatened to murder or rape a member of your family? Oh, it is 'mean' in one instance, and a crime in another instance? This threat would make someone sign any confession to protect their family members. As for the kidnapping and murder of Daniel Pearl, that was not a good thing to do, though the USA has done similar things by kidnapping foreign nationals and holding them without proper trial at Guantanamo Bay, even killing some of them. The demands of the kidnappers were thus: * The immediate release of U.S. held prisoners in Guantinamo Bay, Cuba [SIC]. * The return of Pakistani prisoners to Pakistan. * The immediate end of U.S. presence in Pakistan. * The delivery of F-16 planes that pakistan [SIC] had paid for and never received. While I do not agree with what the kidnappers did, I do see that their demands are fair demands. Things that are paid for must be delivered or else the money returned. The USA must get out of other people's countries, and end the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, and stay out of Pakistani politics. The USA must repatriate all Pakistani nationals just as you would want your own US nationals repatriated if they were held elsewhere without charge or trial, illegally. I wish to also pont out that the nuclear waste from your nuclear power plants is manufactured into depleted uranium weapons and armour-plating. These materials have now poisoned Iraqis who will experience genetic mutations for generations to come. I just want to know if the US government is going to compensate Iraq or not? What is the difference between crimes of terror and war crimes? Are the US war criminals going to be punished, ever? Reply

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