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Religious America Snubs Darwin Film: Producer

Brits 'can't imagine religion in America': Jeremy Thomas

By Neal Colgrass| Posted Sep 12, 09 6:22 PM CDT|

(Newser) – The producer of a new film about Charles Darwin says he hasn't landed a US distribution deal because Americans can't stand the theory of evolution, the Daily Mail reports. Creation, the story of Darwin's struggle between reason and faith as he wrote The Origin of Species, has opened the Toronto Film Festival and sold to several other countries. "It is unbelievable to us that this is still a really hot potato in America," says Oscar-winning producer Jeremy Thomas.

A Christian film review site has linked the theory of evolution to Nazi crimes and called Darwin "a racist, a bigot and a 1800s naturalist whose legacy is mass murder"—opinions that stun Thomas. "It's quite difficult for we in the UK to imagine religion in America," he says. "We live in a country which is no longer so religious. But in the US, outside of New York and LA, religion rules."

Original letters from Charles Darwin are displayed at the Herbaruim library on March 25, 2009 at the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew in London. (Getty Images)

Jeremy Thomas holds his Award for 'European Achievement In World Cinema 2006' during the European Film Awards 2006 on December 2, 2006 in Warsaw, Poland. (Getty Images)

The poster for "Creation." (Shutterstock)

British naturalist Charles Darwin (1809 - 1882) depicted with an ape's body while holding a mirror up to another ape. (Getty Images)

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reasonator
Sep 12, 09 6:29 PM CDT

I think he has a narrow view of the U.S. He probably hasn't tried hard enough for a distribution deal. If Milk can be distributed, then I don't see the difficulty in getting a Darwin movie distributed, if it is a good movie done well. His statement is probably a publicity stunt more than anything. Reply

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2-bits
Sep 12, 09 10:29 PM CDT

I think the producer may be right. It might be just me (or maybe I was looking too late), but the only theatre I could find screening "Religulous" in Atlanta was one that normally screens indie films.

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BoZo
Sep 12, 09 11:52 PM CDT

2-bits is right about that one. You can barely find a DVD to rent of the movie "Religulous". No theatre that I knew of played it. And it was a pretty good movie too.

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Robert_Dada
Sep 12, 09 11:54 PM CDT

Same here in Richmond, VA 2-bits. This place is infested with Christians like an insidious virus.

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Ptoadstool
Sep 13, 09 7:26 AM CDT

Theater owners are afraid of the American Taliban - the religious right. Irrational, over the top reactions to anything that threatens their dogma stifle free speech. It is truly amazing that Darwin is even controversial in a supposedly technologically advanced western democracy.

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tran_tor
Sep 13, 09 12:04 PM CDT

OR maybe when people spend their cajillion dollars to go to a movie, they just want to relax, laugh, and be entertained?

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2-bits
Sep 13, 09 12:49 PM CDT

Religulous was pretty funny, relaxed and entertaining if that's what you're referring to. I certainly enjoyed it.

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tran_tor
Sep 13, 09 2:01 PM CDT

2-bits: I was referring to a movie about Darwin. It's a subject that most people in America won't pay $12 a ticket to see. We're in a recession. Porn is losing money. Is that because of the religious right too? Jeez.

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Robert_Dada
Sep 12, 09 6:31 PM CDT

America clinging to the worthlessness of religion (i.e. Christianity) will continue to erode the country's collective intellect to the point where we will become no better than the countries ruled by Islamic fundamentalists. Reply

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kyleleitch
Sep 12, 09 6:39 PM CDT

Lest we forget that our country was rules by Christian fundamentalists less than a year ago...

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Bambi
Sep 12, 09 6:57 PM CDT

kyleleitch, there's a big difference between a real fundamentalist and the cult of greed and power lust surrounding the Bush administration which merely posed as fundamentalist to manipulate their support. As is well known, the pose gained the support from the only quarter of America inbred enough to provide 'single-issue' voting blocks for matters completely inappropriate for government control. The support of the religious right was a miracle opportunity for those scheming powerseekers of the Bush administration. I'm not even talking about left vs. right stuff here--I'm talking about the Bush administratoin as transparent swindlers through and through--no fundamentalists they, but with the easily manipulated support of religious cult zealots. It's a fine distinction, but I think an important one...fundamentalists are in the class of the well-meaning ignorant with a load of inbred hubris, the Bush administration are criminals. I see a difference.

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GlennH
Sep 12, 09 8:59 PM CDT

We already have "Christian" ministers preaching that Obama should be killed. We have "pro-life" people murdering doctors. We have gays being persecuted and even killed by "good Christians." We have Texas determining what will be in our textbooks--which certainly isn't going to improve matters. I think we're already there.

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prowlerzee
Sep 13, 09 12:42 AM CDT

Sheesh, listen to alllllll the Obots sneer at the brainwashed Xtians while THEIR OMessiah, Barrack, has EXPANDED the Faith-based Office and taken Bush's start and made it a permanent part of our Health and Human Resources department! And he's not rescinding the Bush "conscience rules" either. Quit pointing fingers at others you brainwashed CULT dupes.

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MarkFL
Sep 12, 09 6:42 PM CDT

To link Darwin and the Nazis is the biggest lie ever. How in the f*&^ing world are there people who take that seriously? That is just madness. It is shocking how illogical conservatives are. Just shocking. Reply

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passinthru
Sep 12, 09 6:52 PM CDT

they will say anything to keep people from believing anything other that the shit that rolls out of their mouths...RELIGION IS A BUSINESS...and a tax-free business at that...you wouldnt want your customers losing interest in your product either if it meant you losing money, would ya?

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JaneMP
Sep 12, 09 9:12 PM CDT

PLEASE do NOT mistake these idiots on the right with CHRISTIANS or people even the slightest interested in true relgion. They use religion to excuse their own ignroance and prejudice. I am a religious person and believe in evolution.

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passinthru
Sep 12, 09 6:48 PM CDT

"It's quite difficult for we in the UK to imagine religion in America," he says. "We live in a country which is no longer so religious. But in the US, outside of New York and LA, religion rules.".....................apparently theyve never read about miami, or vegas.....the religious DOES NOT rule this country, the media just flocks to those crazy assholes before they would ever speak with a person of RATIONAL behavior, which makes it seem like they are the spokesperson for all of us.......... While creationism is seen as a joke to everyone but those "special" Christians, there are substantial evidence that proves evolution is a very real thing...more importantly Micro-evolution. The only problem with the origin of species argument is that they havent found any SUBSTANTIAL evidence that is able to push the philosophy any further than where its at now...While im a firm believer that we all evolved from Amino acids, there still is an endless argument in this case that doesnt prove anything new. finding a overgrown lemur fossilized in tar, while it opens many doors and opinions all around i dont think counts until they are able to tie it in with something other than a thumb bone. more importantly it wasnt until AFTER Darwin that there was more significant points of argument found in the case of creationism vs Evolution. regardless, i doubt that the reason why he cant land a deal is because of religious moguls...this cry wolf may help tho. Reply

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MarkF
Sep 12, 09 7:00 PM CDT

Pa Reply

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MarkF
Sep 12, 09 7:06 PM CDT

Or naybe it has something to do with the fact that nobody wants to watch his crappy film. It seems like everybody and their grandmother has jumped on the Darwin bandwagan at the slightest sniff of a few bucks, there is so many TV shows and Documentaries out already,` we get it`..you consider yourself smart because you are not a Christian,,, you have an overwhelming sense of self importance because you are not a Christian... you take things that have been said a million times before by much smarter men than you and regurgitate them because you have a yerning need to feel intelligent and you can only attack Christians because you view them as an easy target. Nobody wants to watch your peice of shit movie, in America, or the UK, or any where else in the world. Reply

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Forderon
Sep 12, 09 8:45 PM CDT

There's a MarkFL and you're MarkF, and you're total opposites. Weird. Anyway MarkF, you're an idiot. You should probably do some open-minded reading and stop getting so defensive about the garbage you've been brainwashed with since birth.

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BlahBlahBlah
Sep 12, 09 7:50 PM CDT

The average religious american simply can't handle someone suggesting an alternate view of things. They think that Darwin was some evil heathen. Get over it. Even though the religious are not willing to acknowledge it things are changing. I am not saying that because I am an atheist, I say things are changing because they are. People are starting to realize that they can lead perfectly moral and happy lives without God looking over their shoulder. People block films like this because it scares the crap out of them. Reply

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dontlikeyou
Sep 12, 09 8:14 PM CDT

What is unusual? The theory of evolution is "unproven" thus, the term "Theory". Quite frankly, it takes much more faith to believe in Darwin's outdated theory than it does to believe in creation. Reply

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shonangreg
Sep 12, 09 8:29 PM CDT

Gravity is a theory too, bozo. An old, well accepted theory becomes a law, but it is still theory. The earth going around the sun too is just a theory. It's called the Heliocentric Theory. Both evolution and "heliocentrism" will become a law eventually. ........................... The problem is "theory" has a different meaning in science and common discourse. For you "theory" means an untested, "unproven" idea. In science, that would be a hypothesis. Theories in science require lots of testing and verification. ................... As to "proof" -- There is no proving anything in science. "Proofs" belong to mathematics. Science only has observation, hypothesis, and theory. A THEORY NEVER BECOMES A FACT IN SCIENCE. ................... It is too bad America's fundamentalist Christians are too afraid of science to even know what it is and what such simple scientific words mean. ............................... If your religion is so strong, how can you be afraid to study science? Your ignorance of the basics "prove" that you haven't studied it. Is your faith in your own religion that weak? Jesus would be ashamed of that attitude. He said, "The light overcomes the dark".

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Forderon
Sep 12, 09 8:37 PM CDT

How did I know that dontlikeyou would not believe in evolution? It's weird how "conservative" and "stupid" seem to be interchangeable these days, isn't it? It's like they oppose every single scientific, logical, progressive idea/theory/law/initiative out there. The party of "NO" indeed.

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Forderon
Sep 12, 09 8:38 PM CDT

By the way shonangreg, very well said. But don't expect them to listen or anything. They thrive on ignorance and being wrong about everything.

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GlennH
Sep 12, 09 9:02 PM CDT

Oh, for a little science education in this country. Quantum mechanics, genetic inheritance, the mechanism of gravity, etc. etc. etc. are ALL "just theories." That's kind of the point of science. It doesn't take any faith to believe the theory of evolution, just a little knowledge.

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dax
Sep 12, 09 9:22 PM CDT

Here's a theory for you, dontlikeyou: pick up a copy of Irving Stone's "Origin" and read it slowly cover to cover, and you may just gain some insight into Darwin and his ideas, and you may even deepen your perspective of the world you inhabit. It's just a theory.

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freethemall
Sep 12, 09 9:57 PM CDT

No theory is proven. In science, there are no final immutable truths, but even the most assured conclusions are subject to change in the light of new evidence. In this sense, the germ theory of disease is also "unproven". But I don't think that even you, as narrow minded as you are, would discount the germ, in favor of the notion that disease is caused by demon possession, even though that is what they believed at the time Jesus Christ was said to walk upon this earth.

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wwwonderer
Sep 14, 09 5:56 PM CDT

Thanks shon!!!! That is well said. If the religious are SO convicted of their belief, why do they hate to hear anything that contradicts their believe? You can try and convince me that Santa Clause is INDEED coming to town, ALL YOU WANT. I won't tell you not to try and tell me whatever it is you have to tell me. Speak your mind. Funny, gravity isn't mentioned in the Bible, but I am willing to bet that any spiritual leader, especially those owning or leasing a private jet, will refute gravity as they have evolution. How did Copernicus or DaVinci get treated by the Religious leaders of their day. Meanwhile, the Pope blesses the first slave ship. The KKK is as American Christian as it gets huh. We hate terrorists, unless they are throwing bombs in (black Baptist) churches of the South. Really?

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GlennH
Sep 12, 09 8:56 PM CDT

It's a pity that the media, and sometimes even the education system, get driven by folks with loud voices and a total ignorance of science. Reply

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dax
Sep 12, 09 9:18 PM CDT

Which is why our economy is clogged with useless crap like beanie babies and we have no Super-collider.

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lthurman
Sep 12, 09 9:22 PM CDT

I think religion is fine for those who need the crutch, but don't force your insecurity on the rest of us. Reply

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Doctor_Zaius
Sep 12, 09 9:28 PM CDT

I can understand conservative economic policy, the classic conservative position not this idiocy that has gripped the GOP since Reagan. I can even understand the conservative stance on foreign policy and the military, again the classical stance and not Bush's Neo-Con preemptive attacks and nation-building to benefit corporations. But social conservatives bring the least mental capital to the table. They follow mores and rules that are perverse, decadent and corrupt without even realizing it. There is no real morality there, just the empty aping of what there sub-culture has determined to be "good" regardless of it's true moral stance. They deal in absolutes because if they stopped and analyzed what they were doing they would be forced to realize the evil they did in the name of morality. They require ridged, arbitrary rules which are followed to the letter. This allows them to be led without having to make moral choices, which of course absolves them of all wrongdoing. Reply

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dax
Sep 12, 09 10:09 PM CDT

Good post. Spot on.

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shonangreg
Sep 12, 09 10:47 PM CDT

I happen to think there is a deep, fundamental truth to religion. Like it or not, it is our underlying psychology -- a symbolic expression of our innate, animal consciousness. We're not logical computers; we're intelligent apes evolved from lemurs and fish and slime. We understand father and mother and claws and teeth and soft rabbit fur and hard rocks and blood and love. We use the basic elements of our animal consciousness and extend the relationships metaphorically to new realms: the great father in the sky is angry, so he holds back the rain; if we misbehave, invisible father will punish us; Johnny is not moving, so he is living in the dreamworld; ........ I think this type of thinking is natural and very difficult to escape from. Atheism and agnosticism are very cerebral ways of life. And then there are the charlatans -- people who spin tales to get you to buy their wares. None of us are immune to having the wool pulled over our eyes (see the UK drama The Prisoner (McGoohan)). We have to institute our own defenses in the face of scams. You cannot reason your way out of a con (generally speaking). And America's Religious Right is following this strategy when dealing with commentary from the Left. We are snake oil salesmen to them. And there is some good reason to this. We on the Left are in the habit of tolerating pseudo-intellectualism. Many of us are so insecure in our own intellect that we think we have to dress up our ideas in big words meant to impress others with the "density" of our thought. George Lakoff talks about this in "The Political Mind". We maintain, according to Lakoff, an Enlightenment era mindset in which reason is pure and there is only one. We do not see the organic basis for consciousness. We refuse to stoop to simple metaphors; we demand complicated abstractions in order to give or be given academic credit. Those on the Right, however, see this as being "too smart for your own good". So, yes, there is little hope in trying to reason religious folk into seeing science for what it is. They are afraid you are actually a wolf in sheep's clothing speaking words of honey intent on ultimately taking their religion from them. And the irony is this is true! That is ultimately the goal even if it is not the immediate intention. (1) Evolution is true (2) Genesis is just a story. (3) Now you can think for yourself about the rest of the Bible too. (4) Only fools need religion. ........................ Until progressives can see the unavoidable nature of religion for humans and stop and live at number three, we will not be able to speak the language of the religious right. The truth is, we can both do this. We just have to release *literalism*. It frees the fundamentalists from slavery to a Garden of Eden dogma; it just becomes a story. And it frees atheists to appreciate mystic visions of life; they too are just simple, metaphorical ways of seeing things. You can believe the big father in the sky is watching you, and it will help...

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shonangreg
Sep 12, 09 10:51 PM CDT

Wow. i seem to have found the posting limit here. The following was cut from my post ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: You can believe the big father in the sky is watching you, and it will help you in your life. You have to give him appropriate characteristics -- forgiveness, respect of privacy, etc. But this can be done. We can form our own spirituality. And if we come together as a society and do this, we can form our own religion (this is currently the realm of cults). We can do this today. I fear it will take us hundreds if not thousands of years to finally get it done. It is sooooo frustrating.

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freethemall
Sep 12, 09 10:55 PM CDT

Good God Greg! What a post!

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Doctor_Zaius
Sep 12, 09 10:58 PM CDT

Good post Greg, personally I am okay with God. Religion I have no use for.

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Bambi
Sep 13, 09 12:12 PM CDT

Hi Greg, That was an amazing two-part post! Thanks for taking the time to lay that out. While I deeply appreciate the overall message of tolerance and sensitivity to the underlying physiological basis of religious dogmatism and why 'reason' is nearly always excluded from the religion-side of the debate, I have a couple of (respectful) questions about some of your reasoning here: 1. Why would you say that "you can't reason your way out of a con?", 2. Regarding your statement: "...(it) is ultimately the goal even if it is not the immediate intention (that atheists/agnostics are) wolf in sheep's clothing speaking words of honey intent on ultimately taking...religion from (believers)." I rearranged your words slightly, but believe I changed nothing of your meaning. Do you really believe that? That's like saying that a doctor is intent on 'taking away' the bullet in your shoulder. Don't you think the more fair way to represent this is that reasonable people aspire to REPLACE fearful , ignorant remedial belief with ultimately empowering reason-based principles. I say replace, as opposed to 'take-away', because reason based principles do not preclude our human heritage and perhaps physiological need/use for spirituality, and while leaving room for that, reason precludes only the unreasoned cultishness of religious belief. Seems to me that faith is appropriate for ideas like 'all people are (or want to be) good', 'the justification for my present toiling will become clear eventually', etc. but not for things like 'the world was created in seven days,' and 'homosexuality is evil,', etc. Though you try to offer an 'explanation' for dogmatism, I believe there is no excuse, biological or otherwise, for arrogant ignorance where cognizance is possible. Which brings me to #3, why do you say "if we come together as a society...we can form our own religion (this is currently the realm of cults)." Why would you idealize 'religion' after all you have said? How do you conceive any religion as anything but a (usually fear-based) cult on one hand, and an agent of competitive divisiveness on the other? Even more than race distinctions, I believe that religions produce the ultimate 'us vs. them ' duality trip most anathema to the spiritual view of unity. What say you?

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shonangreg
Sep 13, 09 6:49 PM CDT

Hi Bambi. Thanks for the questions. I'm off for a few hour job now, and I'll reply to these questions in about four hours.

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shonangreg
Sep 13, 09 11:38 PM CDT

(1) Regarding me saying you can't reason your way out of a con, you can do it, actually, but many of us think we are invulnerable to such, but then even the smart ones get caught. The reason I say it is because lots of intelligent people are conned *despite* their being intelligent. People actually think that because of their intelligence, they can spot a good deal versus a con, but this vanity is part of the conman's reperetoire. Ultimately greed and arrogance are appealed to as well. If you can overcome these traits in yourself, then you can technically reason your way out of a con. But the point still stands in regard to analogous religious scams. Intelligent-sounding people appeal to religious people to drop their dogma. We all know we have weaknesses regarding people setting traps for us, so we teach each other to be weary of these people *even though they may sound reasonable*. So, our basic lack of defenses against cons ultimately works to prevent the religious from listening to anything the seculars say. ..................................................................... (2) The doctor analogy is good. From the perspective of the non-dogmatist, yes, your rephrasing is fair. From the perspective of the person whose world is determined by their dogma, however, they would violently disagree. We know the doctor is on our side; theists do not believe atheists are. Does this answer your question? Beyond this, my original point was an oversimplification. Some of us would not be really trying to take away their religion; we would be trying to free them from their dogma. The doctor analogy is good, but in this case we would be a doctor with a hostile patient who wants to keep their cancer. Society gives doctors the respect they need to work in such a situation. Atheists and secularists are not only not given that respect, we are actually *looked down upon* by the "patient". *We* are the faulty human patient who needs healing according to them.

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shonangreg
Sep 13, 09 11:39 PM CDT

(3) Why would we still need religion? I think religion is a part of our natural consciousness. It is instinctive, and basically we just can't extract it. It is as natural to as is the desire for cool water, sweets, and salty foods. The food/religion analogy is not perfect, but we can fix it up some. Imagine we divide ourselves by our cuisines. We don't eat other's cuisines, and we defend our cuisines to the death, we will not change our cuisines, and many cuisines around the world cause lots of severe health problems. Now the analogy is a better fit. In this situation our choices would be to continue the status quo, to force everyone else to eat our cuisine, to choose a new cuisine, or to just stop eating. Just stopping religion would be equivalent to the last option. Some people might be willing to ingest vitamins for needed nutrients and husk-filled tofu for "vestigial" intestinal functioning, but you know the masses won't. Likewise, some people would be willing to live the cerebral-intensive lifestyle of an atheist or an agnostic, but you know most wouldn't. It might not work anyway. And when there is a workable alternative of replacing unhealthy foods with healthy ones / replacing unhealthy religious views with healthy ones, why try for that which had\s never been shown to work? ..................................................................... So, that is the basic idea. The ideas are quite compressed to get them on a newser comment board, so feel free to ask any followups here or by email (check my profile for my address). The idea of religion being inextricable is not a new idea, I think, but I don't know of anyone else focusing on it as much as me. But it is a strong thesis. Either religion is inherent in humans, and that is why it shows up in every culture, or it has been forced on every culure around the world in a huge coincidence. Occam's razor says it is natural and innate. I think we should make the best of it. And I have seem my own mysticism develop. It is a beautiful world when your own consciousness matches up perfectly with the external world. These are the mental "tricks" of religion and spirituality.

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zackmasson
Sep 12, 09 10:02 PM CDT

If i dont get to watch this im going to be pissed. Reply

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culchie
Sep 12, 09 10:15 PM CDT

Glenn, Texas is not a church, it's Texas. And I think you know that people who persecute or kill anyone are not, and cannot be, good Christians. There are, however, fundamentalists, and evangelical atheists, and -- as the shockingly erudite Bambi points out -- swindlers who manipulate zealots. It seems likely that you and Jeremy Thomas already know that the vast majority of the world's Christians support evolution, but he has a film to promote, and mazel tov to him. Reply

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Derni
Sep 12, 09 11:04 PM CDT

come on know-Texas just passed a law for schools to make students bible literate-don't expect them to accept eveolution any time soon-besides-they're all marching against medical care and other great causes-we have our share of dumb people Reply

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Derni
Sep 12, 09 11:05 PM CDT

Science and evolution ae too difficult for these people to understand-now religion-they get that since its a matter of opinion-dumb -crass-,,,, Reply

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shonangreg
Sep 12, 09 11:11 PM CDT

Note on newsers' posting limits: The composition box is 82 characters wide (on my PC). The displayed post will be 70 characters wide (if not extended with one lloonnnnggg, 70-plus character unbroken word.) Consecutive spaces are compressed to just one. And there is a 3,000 character limit on the full text. Reply

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prowlerzee
Sep 13, 09 12:47 AM CDT

Negative ratings for your LONG-ASS-winded posts. NOTE TO NEWSER: please SHORTEN the limit. Comments should not be longer than the original articles!

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shonangreg
Sep 13, 09 6:06 AM CDT

Don't read it then. Are you dense, prowlerzero? "Newser, please shorten the limit. I don't want people to be free to post long messages. Help poor, pitiful me. Wah wah wah wah."

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Circusdog
Sep 13, 09 12:09 AM CDT

Idiocracy...We've arrived people. Knowledge is finite...Ignorance is infinite. Reply

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prowlerzee
Sep 13, 09 12:43 AM CDT

Amen. #1 case in point are Obots.

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Deebles
Sep 13, 09 12:57 AM CDT

Idiocracy--"it's got electrolytes." That movie is just getting too real. That you all for your comments here. This was a very insightful and articulate spot below the grid. And, as Shon says, reading Latkoff should be a requirement.

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prowlerzee
Sep 13, 09 12:45 AM CDT

Oh, and the BRITS can STFU about America and worry about their own damned country, which is groveling and kowtowing to sharia law! Cluephone: call FRANCE and ask how to deal with religious freaks. I can't believe these British morons pointing fingers at us...and the OBOT cult pointing fingers at ANYONE. Reply

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Rocket448
Sep 13, 09 1:24 AM CDT

Recently I have been feeling quite unhappy with the quality of commentary at Newser. There is typically too much name-calling, profanity, and belligerence. Suffice to say the posts on this thread have encouraged me to continue reading. I can only hope to contribute at the same level. Thanks. Reply

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doingtherightthing
Sep 13, 09 2:12 AM CDT

...... Evolution is a lie. A snail 200 million years ago is still a snail today. No change. If evolution was true, then all things would evolve simultaneously. Nothing is changing. So, Darwin's theory is a lie. That leaves but one answer then: GOD is the creator, and is in control of all things....... how are the UK people doing without GOD in there lives. Your country is falling apart. You've allowed the Arabs to change your laws and lifestyles. You'll soon be a minority in your own country. Our constitution has GOD written into it; and our money has "in GOD we trust". Who do you Brits trust? The Arabs, man or yourselves. We Christians Trust in GOD. Why do you think we are a world power? Who protects America? GOD......You Brits need to wake-up and get a backbone before all is lost to the ungodly! The beginning of wisdom is knowing GOD and what He wants from you Brits.......you Brits listening to GOD? Reply

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schmidtkoff
Sep 13, 09 3:09 AM CDT

god is dog spelled backwards.

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Aelius28
Sep 13, 09 4:07 AM CDT

A snail 200 million years ago is NOT the same today. All things ARE evolving simultaneously and things ARE changing. Your shattered premises litter the floor now, want to go back and try again or are you not yet finished making a fool of yourself?

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Robert_Dada
Sep 13, 09 11:17 AM CDT

There's a snake in garden that wants to talk to you about temptation. You better go see what it wants. Ass clown.

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dax
Sep 13, 09 12:55 PM CDT

And in your case, most certainly there seems to be a lack of evolving thought.

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cochiserocks
Sep 13, 09 5:45 AM CDT

Er...Clear Channel anyone? nuff said! Reply

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Janniel
Sep 13, 09 8:39 AM CDT

I consider my self 'religious' and I would really enjoy seeing this movie. The cranks and crazies are full of fear and have little faith. In other words methinks they doth protest too much. Reply

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metalworldorder
Sep 13, 09 9:48 AM CDT

I knew as soon as I saw this story that there'd be people arguing about stupid Americans, stupid religious folk, and stupid evolution. It's good to know that Newser's community is consistent. Also, evolution is an applied science with tangible results. Creationism is a philosophical point with no application to science other than to say "Told you!" I think you can guess which side I'm on. Reply

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SPH
Sep 13, 09 4:51 PM CDT

In my view, "God" is a theory.....And evolution has considerably more supporting evidence,,,, Reply

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riffran
Sep 14, 09 3:05 AM CDT

The two are NOT mutually exclusive.."God made the world in seven days ect."..so really what is "seven days to a entity that is capapble of doing something on a scale that even the most advanced human intellect cannot fathom....7 femtoseconds or 7 quintillion years. I beleive in a higher power, but I also beleive that things might have been set in motion in such a way as to evolve in the first place...given time. I also feel that in the grand scheme of things, that anything that is capapble of the creation of the universe, and it's uncounted galaxies,stars and planets, is going to exclusively put life on just one tiny world...or even give a shit what happens on it after it's here.....But I do hope to try to do what is right, just in case I am wrong...and not wind up saying ..OOOps Reply

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