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Abortion Activists Mobilize Against Stupak-Pitts

Aim is to kill bill in Senate, or back in House, at any cost

By Harry Kimball| Posted Nov 12, 09 9:30 AM CST|

(Newser) – Abortion rights activists are organizing a massive grassroots effort and targeting lawmakers to ensure the hated Stupak-Pitts Amendment never reaches the president’s desk. The coalition of groups is first meeting with senators and organizing a phone drive and petition to keep the House language out of the Senate's bill. Failing that, they are preparing a roadblock in the House to stymie the entire bill.

“We will oppose any health care bill that includes anything like Stupak/Pitts,” the president of the National Organization for Women tells Politico. The coalition also includes Planned Parenthood, NARAL, and some 80 other groups. The situation is dicey. Should the amendment pass muster in the Senate—where Majority Leader Harry Reid is ambivalent about abortion rights and up for reelection—it will almost certainly be in the conference bill. Still, 41 House Dems have pledged to vote against a bill containing the language.

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DontLikeYou
Nov 12, 09 9:32 AM CST

I"ve found it difficult to understand how anyone can run around supporting the murder of an unborn child. It sends shivers down my spine to thinig there are people like this walking among us. Reply

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DontLikeYou
Nov 12, 09 9:33 AM CST

BTW, the leftists in Congress will give in to the pro-death abortion loons... which will be the reason why the Senate will not pass the Health Care reform bill.

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RockyPneumonia
Nov 12, 09 9:37 AM CST

Not a problem, dly; all you have to do is to prove that aborting a fetus is "murder" and I'll be marching right alongside you. Of course, shouting, "It is! It is!" is not "proof". Neither is shouting it even more loudly.

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myvoice
Nov 12, 09 9:49 AM CST

I love how the anti abortion people are also anti welfare! think about it RWW!

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tomodachi
Nov 12, 09 9:53 AM CST

@myvoice: Yeah... to them every fetus is sacred... unless it needs to be fed after it's born.

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Caps
Nov 12, 09 10:03 AM CST

I find it difficult to understand how anyone can be as stupid as you are dontlikeyou.

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DontLikeYou
Nov 12, 09 10:27 AM CST

@Zaius, we disagree then. First, in regard to law, this IS a states issue. The SCOTUS over stepped its limit by taking this issue. This issue belongs to the states to decide. Second, and more importantly, I believe in the scenario you mentioned, the answer depends on whether the baby is viable... can it live outside the womb at the time the doctor suggests ending the pregnacy. Medical science can deliver babies by C-Section very early now with high probability of sucess. If the baby could live outside of the womb, and the woman aborted the baby instead of having it delivered, then yes, she would be murdering the baby. Life begins at conception, which is where most people on the left disagree.

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DontLikeYou
Nov 12, 09 10:28 AM CST

I hit the wrong reply button obviously.

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Doctor_Supercilious
Nov 12, 09 10:32 AM CST

Look up hydrocephalus, when it happens pre birth the fetus is not viable. It's also the number one reason for what you and people like you misname "partial birth abortion". Basically the head of the fetus swells up with cranial fluid causing the head to swell into the size of a basketball destroying the structural integrity of the skull of the fetus. A woman trying to give birth to this fetus would die.

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USAHomeofthebrave
Nov 12, 09 11:27 AM CST

If I'm forced to pay for someone's abortion then whitey-liberals-progressives ought to pay for my pinch-neck treatment. They have been a pain in the neck all my adult life. Other than that life is good.

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USAHomeofthebrave
Nov 12, 09 11:33 AM CST

oooppss!! LOL-- Pinch nerve. HAHAHAHA

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 12, 09 12:36 PM CST

ooooppss. Racism, ha, ha, ha.

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GeminiMishy
Nov 12, 09 1:30 PM CST

@tomodachi @myvoice: Yeah... to them every fetus is sacred... unless it needs to be fed after it's born. Or needs health insurance.

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Monjubikahn
Nov 14, 09 9:27 PM CST

It has been proven that Life Force is given at conception. There is a brilliant flash of light when the sperm and egg unite. Learning and specialization takes place n the womb. The sound of the mothers voice can be used to remediate birth defects via energy medicine. Downs symdrome has been reversed using this method. Each human being has an energy field that resonates with life. So it is with an unborn child from the time of conception. No brag just fact.

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Doctor_Supercilious
Nov 12, 09 9:46 AM CST

Just one question DLY, if a female you cared about had a fetus with hydrocephalus and carrying to full term would kill her, would you judge her a murderer? this is a serious question. Reply

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Doctor_Supercilious
Nov 12, 09 9:46 AM CST

Correction- Would you judge her a murdere for getting an abortion?

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DontLikeYou
Nov 12, 09 9:53 AM CST

You take the high road in the debate? I see. Well, I will answer your question if you will answer this one.------- If a healthy woman gets pregnant and doesn't wish to raise a child for selfish reasons, and aborts the healthy baby, is that murder?

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LovinLife
Nov 12, 09 9:58 AM CST

If a man with cancer chooses to kill those living cells - which God gave him - is he guilty of murder? If men were the ones to become pregnant, a plate of embryonic cells would never have rights above humans. Stupak-Pitts is discrimination against women - disallowing a legal medical procedure. Is there a way for the Supreme Court to knock that amendment out of any bill that comes up for signature?

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myvoice
Nov 12, 09 10:06 AM CST

under the current law its not murder. Now if you want to debate when life begins, we can do that. What we have to define is what level of life a fetus is. For example... is a cow that we kill to eat, more aware than a fetus? Is an adult woman more alive than a fetus? Is a woman's life more important than the fetus inside? I can go on but you the point. A fetus is not a higher life form the woman carrying it. Another question is that if nature aborts the pregnancy is your god a murderer? Lets debate DLY!!!

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Doctor_Supercilious
Nov 12, 09 10:06 AM CST

You didn't answer my question. But to answer yours, I agree with Roe V. Wade. States cannot prohibit abortion until the fetus becomes viable outside the womb and abortions after this point are only for the health of the mother. No, it’s not murder. Normal people don’t hold funerals for miscarriages. Now if you would be so kind to answer my question.

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Doctor_Supercilious
Nov 12, 09 10:08 AM CST

Which came first: the chicken or the egg. I don't know but I can sure tell the difference.

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DontLikeYou
Nov 12, 09 10:29 AM CST

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kirby
Nov 12, 09 11:01 AM CST

Not all pre birth abortions are because of hydrocephalus, are they? No, I didn't think so. If there is something that could take the life of the mother or, God forbid, a woman that had been raped or molested, I would understand. But those that have abortions just for the sake of birth control, I don't get that I don't understand and I will not condone. I heard not to long ago about a woman that had 12 abortions in 11 years... WTF I as you? Someone should tie her tubes or giver her a hysterectomy!

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davjc09
Nov 12, 09 11:06 AM CST

I don't want to make abortion illegal. But I do believe morally it's wrong unless it is detrimental to the immediate health of the woman (not the long-term psychological effects of a pregnancy). I don't particularly care about what the 'current law' is considering the timeline of the viability of a fetus (Some laws aren't just, slavery, 'separate but equal', come to mind). The embryo is a different being than the mother or the father as soon as the nuceli are fused. I don't buy into the gun control, welfare arguments. Guns are for protection of the family. I'm all for welfare and helping those less fortunate provided they make bona fide attempts at being productive members of society (not just trying to live off the system). The cancer cell argument also doesn't hold water bc it is a disease. The cells are your own, that have gone awry. As a medical professional, I don't want to outlaw abortion bc that ultimately lead to women trying to take matters into their own hands. What should be done, is more to make sure that women are not in a position to choose.

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Doctor_Supercilious
Nov 12, 09 11:14 AM CST

Wasn't my point Kirby.

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ronimaca
Nov 12, 09 1:04 PM CST

boy now that a cleaver way avoiding answering a question dly by asking one back so GOP

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USAHomeofthebrave
Nov 12, 09 1:23 PM CST

Clown face is in the heezy!!! Whazzzz UP !!!!! Hey player, how's tent living?? If you need a job, come on down to Florida and I'll hook ya up.

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eleanorclifford
Nov 12, 09 9:51 AM CST

there are many medical reasons for the abortion procedure along with personal reasons. this issue was decided long ago at the united states surpreme court .many women suffered and died in back alleys.women should be allowed safe procedures at the proper setting.white christians who hold the majority of disposable income keep trying to buy thier way thier congress to over ride the united states surpreme court ruling any way they can through a back door methods.this needs to stop... Reply

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DontLikeYou
Nov 12, 09 10:33 AM CST

This needs to stop? You mean freedom to debate the issue? We still live in a democracy and your views are in the minority. Also, if you were even slightly educated, you would realize that this issue was taken up unconstitutionally by the Supreme Court. From the Constitution, 10th amendment (have you ever read it) -- "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

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myvoice
Nov 12, 09 1:00 PM CST

DLY.... you need to reread it.... the 10th amendment means the federal law is the "supreme law of the land" but any powers that are not specifically reserved for fed govt are belong to the states. supremacy clause is in Article IV: This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding. During the slave debates each state was allowed to decide whether it was legal then they abolished it throughout U.S. by amending the Const. 13, 14, and 15th

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rajanKazhmin
Nov 12, 09 2:58 PM CST

DLY, your views are in the minority.

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Cat-Lover
Nov 12, 09 9:51 AM CST

I find it interesting that the same group of people oppose abortion but favor guns. So what is it? Let 'em be born to shoot them dead later? Reply

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Unaffiliated
Nov 12, 09 9:56 AM CST

Not to mention the death penalty.

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oneworld
Nov 12, 09 10:02 AM CST

and we all know that dontlike you loves a good war for his/her cause (filling someones pocket books or for religious beliefs)

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DontLikeYou
Nov 12, 09 10:35 AM CST

@catlover... you don't understand because you don't understand morality nor freedom.

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Doctor_Supercilious
Nov 12, 09 10:46 AM CST

Yes, you should have the ability to shoot someone in the head but not to control what happens inside your own body. (sarcasm for the challenged)

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kirby
Nov 12, 09 11:06 AM CST

Freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know.

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davjc09
Nov 12, 09 11:10 AM CST

Here's my contention: if you outlaw something, most people are going to do it anyway. What would you rather have, guns only in the hands of criminals with no way to protect yourself? On a different note, what would you rather have: a doctor performing an abortion or a woman using a coat-hanger?

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Doctor_Supercilious
Nov 12, 09 11:13 AM CST

I support the bill of rignts including number 2.

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oneworld
Nov 12, 09 10:07 AM CST

strange as this may sound, I must compliment dontlikeyou for one thing - keeping me entertained. I'm aways astonished when I get on newser and read dontlikeyou's comments. a prime example why every American should not be allowed to vote. Reply

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onebadc20
Nov 12, 09 10:17 AM CST

thats funny oneworld, I think that everyday about 95% of newser users.

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RockyPneumonia
Nov 12, 09 10:28 AM CST

If there were a way to keep it from being abused, I'd support a current events test being required before one was allowed to vote.

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DontLikeYou
Nov 12, 09 10:36 AM CST

@oneworld... I'm glad that you have proven with one sentence my contention for years.... liberals proclaim liberty, but will take it away from you at the drop of a hat. Someone once told me, if you want to win an argument with a liberal, let them do all the talking. LOL.

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ronimaca
Nov 12, 09 10:53 AM CST

This is nothing more then a back door move to make abortion illegal by the bible thumping right wing. The plan to stop abortion by prohibiting it out of reach. We need more women in office. It is the only way to stop Old white guys pushing women back into the dark ages. Reply

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skeptik
Nov 12, 09 12:07 PM CST

Agreed! In the mean time, please contact you Senators & Representatives and let them know your views. I know it sounds trite, but they do count on our votes to help keep them in office. If enough women speak up, they won't be able to ignore us out of hand.

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ronimaca
Nov 12, 09 1:17 PM CST

skeptik I live in Vermont and you the rest... I love my representatives

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skeptik
Nov 12, 09 2:00 PM CST

Leahy is one of the best! You are fortunate......I live in Mi & although our senators are good, the reps are NOT (to say the least) and very hard to unseat. Too much money concentrated in too small of sphere of influence. But we are working hard to make changes happen in '12.

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doingtherightthing
Nov 12, 09 11:29 AM CST

....I see the trolls are out in masses again. Abortion is murder plain and simple. Inside the womb if it moves, kicks or yawns the baby is alive. You trolls want to destroy life before it has a chance to begin. This is a typical leftwing troll act. I consider you cowards in every aspect of life. You trolls hide behind opinions. If you can't see it, it can't be alive. I think God will have something to say about this on judgement day. By the way; if you mess with God, who owns all souls (EZ18:4), He'll make sure you'll get yours in the end......Abortion is murder! Reply

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ronimaca
Nov 12, 09 1:23 PM CST

shoving your religious believes down the throats of others is assault and is illegal. keep your own flock in line and leave everyone else alone.

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oneworld
Nov 12, 09 1:26 PM CST

Funny. What does your bible have to say about why humans suffer?

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Doctor_Supercilious
Nov 12, 09 6:40 PM CST

Funny, the bible clearly states that the life of the child happens AFTER the child is born.

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ashmix86
Nov 12, 09 11:43 AM CST

Hilarious "my voice" .... unfit 16 year old mothers go ahead and have the baby ... let it grow up to have a miserable childhood, lack of food and clothes, and no one to take care of it.... cause mommy has three jobs. Stick it up your ass Righties ! Reply

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ashmix86
Nov 12, 09 11:47 AM CST

Better yet let's put the baby up for adoption because we have such a great system for that .... let it hop around in sexually abusive and horrifying foster homes. Sounds like a great plan people.....I would rather someone give up their baby that have another forgotten child turned criminal on the street. People that think other wise live in expensive houses far away from this mess .... if you have grown up with it and experienced poverty .. then you would say think twice about bringing that life into this. Reply

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ashmix86
Nov 12, 09 11:51 AM CST

By the way "do the right thing".... If you are a believer in God which I am you should know not to pass judgement that is his job not yours. Don't pick and choose what verses you want to follow .... don't be a hypocrite. Reply

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ashmix86
Nov 12, 09 12:01 PM CST

Above all I like the fact most of you are men ......you've never carried a child you would never have to know what it is like to make that choice.... you act like women just walk in there and sign the paper. I have gone with friends balling their eyes out because their birthcontrol failed or the condom broke and she didn't have anywhere near the amount it takes to raise the child. Most minimum wage jobs wont even give you the time off needed to have the child. People should mind their own business and worry about the REAL issues... no some woman's poor fortune. Give me a break ..... American has bigger fish to fry. Reply

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Snarfeh
Nov 12, 09 2:09 PM CST

And deserted by a father who is disputing it is his child....that is not every case, but it happens often enough especially for women already living in poverty..

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ashmix86
Nov 12, 09 12:07 PM CST

Also ....Right and Left ..... all we do is bicker over bullshit .... it's so easy to see how wrong we all are ....the right claims freedom freedom freedom .... yet tries to stop freedom of choice .... abortion is a terrible thing ... but I would rather have a woman go into a professional than bleed out in an alley.... Left ... we also claim freedom and yet we want to talk away guns from people. This is why I am in the middle ..... You're both wrong.....All you care about is what's best for you .... walk a mile in another's shoes and see how they suffer. Reply

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ronimaca
Nov 12, 09 1:27 PM CST

well said thanks

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newsrmandan
Nov 12, 09 4:58 PM CST

@ashmix86...I am sorry for you and your friend, please consider adoption as a viable alternative. Being pregnant is not the end of the world it is the beginning. Everyday I get a chance to see what joy an adopted baby brings to a couple who cannot for whatever reason get pregnant. I personally know of many more such people they are all around you and they can and will provide the love, comfort, and assistance you may need in order to get through a pregnancy.

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ashmix86
Nov 12, 09 6:44 PM CST

I understand @Newsrmandan life is a gift ... I guess we just get all emotional as women when we are told we have no way out. I have never had an abortion personally but I know for the woman who have "Most women" never forget it and live with losing their baby every day. I think Adoption is incredible but the fact is there are allot of children who just don't get adopted and many deserving families want to that dont get picked for this gift. I just think it's a sad world we live in Newsrmandan ....a sad sad world. Reply

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newsrmandan
Nov 13, 09 12:36 PM CST

ash... there is hope from this sad sad world. Matthew 11:28.... come unto me all you who are labor and are heavy laden with care, I will give you rest. Find your hope in Christ.

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cornelison
Nov 12, 09 7:22 PM CST

GOP logic isn't. Here's a question for the GOP. A woman is 3 months pregnant & she's also a terrorist. You won't allow her to have an abortion in prison but you say that waterboarding isn't torture. What do you do? Reply

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godawgs
Nov 12, 09 8:23 PM CST

you allow her to have the baby in prison. what is your point?

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cornelison
Nov 12, 09 8:50 PM CST

Hi godawgs. The GOP is using the evangelicals in order to get elected to a govt. that they profess that they (GOP) hate. They voted for an admin. that justified torture, lied about Iraq, caused the unnecessary deaths of soldiers and people in foreign countries. Now Congress is dealing with a real moral problem that has been festering in your country for 60 yrs. - lack of health insurance. Today I'm seeing extremists who believe that they are taking the moral high ground by not supporting any health reform for all Americans. I don't know about you but there must be a few uninsured Americans who do not want to sacrifice their lives for an ideology in the evangelical churches.

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kylec
Nov 12, 09 9:05 PM CST

If the gov't healthcare system won't fund abortions, the private health insurance companies will still cover them. Reply

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Monjubikahn
Nov 14, 09 10:00 PM CST

We should be very careful with the viability argument with the fetus in the abortion debate. The psychology of rationalization always permits the perversion of purpouse. Nations are built one individual at a time. The wombs of the nation are the bedrock of survival if used the way they are designed. When children become an inconvenience then everything else becomes progressively complicated. Men cease to be fathers and become known as sperm doaners. Familial disunity ensues and children learn the art of Episodic Discontrol as they simply maneuver around their parents. Families degenerate because there is no structure or government in the home. We have 50/50 marriages where "Partners" half step instead of each person giving 100% to each other and the family and thereby shore up their end of the local community. Street gangs do not come from nowhere families are involved at some level. In a sexualized "you can have it all" culture, abortion is the Russian Front of Female Rage and the perception of not having control over even their own bodies. But there is a way that works. When the women rule men are tools. Reply

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