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I’ve Changed My Mind on the Obama-Fox Showdown

Oct 20, 09 | 9:51 AM   byMichael Wolff
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Here’s what nobody seems to know: whether we’re a liberal nation or a conservative one.

For a long time the conservatives convinced us that we were, largely, in our souls and pocketbooks, conservative (even though the Republicans have, in recent memory, not gotten more than 50% of the national vote). But then we elected a young black president and it seemed that somehow we’d been transformed into liberals.

When Wall Street collapsed, we became, suddenly, populists with dual right-wing/left-wing zeal and a rising conservative heartland backlash against statist control. Then there was the long health care summer with an inexplicable but seemingly growing revulsion to a national health care system.

And then there’s Fox. For more than 10 years, Fox News, with its dedicated right-wing views, has been the only real success in television news. Partly because of our odd relationship to success (if you make money, you’re mainstream), and partly because Fox was so mesmerizing, so attention-seeking and attention-getting, we came to believe—still believe—Americans are a pretty grotty right-wing bunch. As it happens, the Fox audience is, tops, only 2 million people, and yet, because of its flamboyance and success, it manages to convince the rest of the media that conservatism is the national mood.

And yet, yesterday, the Washington Post reported in a new poll that, actually, not only do a significant majority of Americans favor health care reform, but 57% want the public option—that most heated symbol of statism.

So I am revising my theory of what the Obama administration is doing in its frontal assault on Fox: I think they want us to take sides. Are you a Fox person or not a Fox person? And I think they want to identify Fox as the standard bearer of American conservatism. If you’re a conservative, you’re for Fox (ie, is that who you want to be?).

They are going to combine this triangulation with their passing of a health care bill. I think they believe that, once this has been passed, to have opposed it will be like opposing Social Security.

Hence, Republicanism = conservatism = Fox = rabid opposition to an incredibly popular piece of legislation = hopeless marginalization = new liberal consensus.

I think they’re really going for it and that we may all turn out to be liberals.

More of Newser founder Michael Wolff's articles and commentary can be found at VanityFair.com, where he writes a regular column. He can be emailed at michael@newser.com. You can also follow him on Twitter: www.twitter.com/NewserColumns.
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rtl
Oct 20, 09 10:54 AM CDT
I personally believe the administration is just trying to put the information out there to offset or negate Fox's obvious obliviousness to facts, truth, decency, and FAIRNESS and BALANCE! Reply
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vnbrtzl
Oct 26, 09 4:01 AM CDT
Minutia !
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Bambi
Oct 20, 09 11:03 AM CDT
Michael, you've been reading those detective novels again, but this time it's paying off. Reply
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gianpaul
Oct 20, 09 12:51 PM CDT
Just wait until CNN's Africa Bureau Chief (forgot her name) will start working for FOX. May provide some answers...
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Doctor_Supercilious
Oct 20, 09 11:29 AM CDT
Obama's playing chess while the GOP is playing Checkers. Reply
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jbcorny
Oct 20, 09 4:54 PM CDT
you watch the wire? yo, chess is a better game, yo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bR3T1eThJU
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stever
Oct 20, 09 12:27 PM CDT
It is wrong that there should exist a cable news network that doesn't support The President or His agenda. Fox News opposition is just irresponsible and dangerous. It doesn't matter that Fox is just one cable news network and that all the cable news networks together have less viewers than CBS or NBC. Now that Obama is President, everyone should be pulling together. Reply
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shrinkess
Oct 20, 09 12:42 PM CDT
I couldn't agree more.
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MrsK
Oct 20, 09 12:44 PM CDT
Silence the opposition! It's the Chicago thug way!
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Stuart
Oct 20, 09 4:04 PM CDT
No MsK - thats the Bush way - the way you suported - you know, with 'free speech zones' half a mile from an event, illegal wiretaps and other restrictions on free speech. Silence the Opposition - its the Republican way
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fancygapva
Oct 20, 09 7:43 PM CDT
Holy cow! you are being sarcastic aren't you? I support Obama and wish he were much more liberal, but I sure don't support the kind of news we had during the Bush administration(s) when the opposition was silenced entirely, networks and cable, all reading from the same hymnal while we went to hell in a handbasket. I wouldn't like an all liberal "news" media any better. I don't, for example, like Olbermann anymore than I like Beck. The American people deserve to hear and watch news in all shades of gray and every color of the rainbow! The press/media has fallen down on the job badly at all levels. An honest, investigative press/media is one of the requirements of Democracy.
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flobflo2020
Oct 21, 09 12:49 PM CDT
So faux isn't a "news" channel it is "opposition" then we shall treat it as such.......
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deebles
Oct 21, 09 10:16 PM CDT
Yeah, it's TV. But you guys don't remember Adli Stevenson getting beat with a sign and spat on in '63. You don't remember the posters nailed to every tree in Dallas that said, "JFK wanted for Treason." Fox has always been around--it just never had its own channel. And I think that Obama is an idiot for not ignoring it. Maybe we did need Buckley the elder.
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Xception13
Oct 22, 09 10:05 AM CDT
Falsifying information that is favorable to Republicans and problematic for Democrats is a regular tactic of Fox News. Specific examples are breathtakingly dishonest, including the Obama Madrassa smear, Carl Cameron's false claims that John Kerry referred to himself as a “metrosexual” and “news anchor” Brit Hume repeating the false canard that the public does not trust the Democratic Party on national defense. But it's the sweep of the disinformation campaign that suggests a genuine pattern of propagandistic manipulation of the public. The Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland conducted a study in October 2003 of public knowledge and attitudes about current events, focusing on media consumption habits. The study examined three generic misconceptions about the march to war in Iraq – alleged WMDs, purported Iraqi involvement in 9/11, and supported international support for a U.S. invasion of Iraq. While three-fifths of Americans held at least one of these misconceptions at the time, speaking to the poor quality of American punditry, Fox News viewers stood out – their viewers were "three times more likely than the next nearest network to hold all three misperceptions." More than 80 percent of Fox News viewers had a basic factual misconception about the war in Iraq, which were coincidentally used by the Bush administration to justify their policies at the time.
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vnbrtzl
Oct 26, 09 4:04 AM CDT
But we are not. You Lemmings may go first ! The cliff is right there
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Fromthemiddle
Oct 20, 09 12:33 PM CDT
The real answer won't be known until the bills come due. Reply
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nick
Oct 20, 09 2:08 PM CDT
The bills started coming due 25 years ago, during the Reagan years and the debt really exploded during the Bush years. Suddenly, Republicans consider deficit spending to be public enemy number one. Go figure!
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Doctor_Supercilious
Oct 20, 09 3:21 PM CDT
The GOP only objects to deficit spending if it doesn't go to make billionaires richer.
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tqwhite
Oct 20, 09 1:06 PM CDT
Of course, there's the inconvenient fact that Obama is right. We are liberals in this country. We want to work together to help. We want to kick out the corporate parasites that have ruined our health care system. We do think that Fox is run by a bunch of jerks. 57%, that, for those of you that are idiots ("Chicago thug way," indeed), is a majority. A nice big one. So, go suck on it you Fox-loving, anti-intellectual, right-wing bigot. Reply
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johntitor
Oct 20, 09 4:25 PM CDT
*facepalm* Ok I know I sound arrogant but we HAVE to go back to school people. We have a ONE party system in this country. We are supposed to be a Democratic-republic with emphasis on the republic with democratic options. Hence why the constitution is the final word and why you cant find democracy in the constitution. Once again here is the real political spectrum <----dictatorship/monarchy, oligarchy, republic, democracy, anarchy------> As you can clearly see unless the liberals in the room want statism or all encompassing government you're actually conservatives. The neo-cons we have had calling themselves conservatives actually put themselves inline with oligarchy--hence corporate run government, sadly what we have had for a long time.
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fancygapva
Oct 20, 09 7:56 PM CDT
@johntitor, I agree with your political spectrum and would add that whatever voters think themselves to be liberal or conservative, the fox--not the cable channel-- Congress is guarding the henhouse, and we the people are the hens and Congress (and to some extent the Judiciary--Scalia, Alito, Roberts--and the Executive Branch, certainly Rahm Emmanual in a key position) is corporatist, it's strings pulled by the Oligarchs, whom no one elected, and who cherish no one's welfare but their own.
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johntitor
Oct 20, 09 9:41 PM CDT
Thank you very much gapva! I just can't fathom why we fight amongst ourselves when the real problems go unnoticed....if we spent half as much time worrying less about what "party" is in control and more time on the big picture the world would be a much better place. We argue about health care while American companies use slave labor in Africa(nestle)....makes no sense to me..
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fancygapva
Oct 21, 09 9:29 AM CDT
@johntitor Nestle is the genius company that sold formula to mothers in India and neglected to educate them on sterlization resulting in the deaths of thousands of infants. I've been boycotting them since the '70's but with companies buying each other out and operating under different names it's become almost meaningless to resist.
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stever
Oct 24, 09 7:12 PM CDT
This is the liberal civility you are defending against Fox News?
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Cat-Lover
Oct 20, 09 3:21 PM CDT
Count me as a liberal! Reply
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vnbrtzl
Oct 26, 09 3:52 AM CDT
Wanna buy some pet rocks or maybe a bridge would interest you.
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Reader83543662
Oct 20, 09 3:25 PM CDT
More likely is that the poll question re: public option obscured what the public is opposed to and--seeing as how there appears to be five different public options, the poll more reflects a commentary on semantics. Wasn't President Obama first Dem to get 50% + of the vote since LBJ? For those like me who a week ago had triple bypass surgery--health care seemed just fine to me. Reply
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steveo47829
Oct 20, 09 4:57 PM CDT
you're missing the point. the health care bill isn't trying to change the way you get triple bypass surgery because you have a weight problem. it's trying to make all americans get health care, as well as throwing money towards making it easier for some people to afford it (instead of going towards massive defense spending, which goes towards killing people). if everyone has health care, people will get preventative care in the form of regular check ups, avoiding costly surgeries (like your triple bypass surgery) that can bankrupt people. normally people who can't afford health care get treated in the emergency room, which is very cost inefficient, and the hospital gets stuck with the bill, which is why medical insurance is expensive in the first place. these bills are seeking to change that.
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rtl
Oct 20, 09 5:04 PM CDT
I'm betting you have insurance and didn't have to pay the bill yourself or go without life saving surgery. Just a hunch... Some people aren't so lucky.
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fancygapva
Oct 20, 09 7:58 PM CDT
Got insurance ? ;-}
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drlarrymitchell
Oct 20, 09 5:32 PM CDT
Obama just giving them enough rope, and the conservatives are too dumb to see that they're playing right into his hands. Reply
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condour
Oct 20, 09 6:02 PM CDT
I think it's one step better than that. I think that even smart conservative pundits and outlets, individually, have a lot to gain by fueling the Obama-versus-Fox fire. So as rational economic actors and good free market conservatives, they'll fan the flames. As a collective group, it will doom them.
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vnbrtzl
Oct 26, 09 3:53 AM CDT
Are you a medical Doctor ?
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Dohbama
Oct 20, 09 5:49 PM CDT
So much for Celebri-dent Obama's promise to end divisive politics. Didn't he skewer Bush for the then-president's "you're either with us or against us" approach? I guess that attitude is only hateful if you're a conservative... Reply
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OpenYourMind
Oct 20, 09 6:12 PM CDT
There are no charges of "Hate America" or "Not a Patriot" on the left like we heard for eight years. Obama has constantly asked everyone to be at the table. The Right is choosing to just stand on the side and throw crap.
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BullMooseProgressive
Oct 20, 09 7:23 PM CDT
I would have to say that the Fox network and the more extreme right wing of the Republican party have dona all they can to keep divisive politics alive by questioning the legitimacy of a president that won a majority of the popular vote and a majority of the electoral votes. The election was a direct repudiation of the Bush era deficeits, legislated by a Republican majority out of control, and the Bush unilateralism and warlike policies. It really is that simple. And now the right extreme cannot believe or accept that not all or even a majority of Americans don't agree with them or believe that The Turner Diaries is a reasonable plan for the future of our country. Because they do believe in the pathway outlined in The Turner Diaries they see government as their enemy and will do anything to attack it until they can force their minority view on the population. Fox and the current leadership of the Republican party see this right extreme as their true base, regardless of that group being a minority, and they are playing to that base and weeding out those who don't, calling them "liberals" even though they are at best centrists, and more likely they are reasonable and moderate conservatives. People must understand that Rupert Murdoch, owner of the Fox network, has an ultra right wing elitist agenda and the money to push it out on his own network. Thank God we have a free country where he is able to do so, no matter how extreme his message is. That's freedom. But so is fighting against the extremist views propogated through a campaign of fear and division that the right wants to feed us. Neither the extreme right nor the extreme left have practical solutions to our problems and both should be sent to their real home, the margins. We should not fall prey to a campaign of fear from any side. We should listen to reason instead and reject fear.
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fancygapva
Oct 20, 09 8:03 PM CDT
@bulluooseprogressive--Woopie! and Welcome. Articulate and thoughtful. Thank you!
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MediaTechMadman
Oct 22, 09 1:10 PM CDT
Interesting that BullMooseProgressive says, "Rupert Murdoch...has an ultra right wing elitist agenda." If Murdoch is SO right wing, why did he sponsor a fund raising event for Hillary Clinton early last year.
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polarjim
Oct 20, 09 6:51 PM CDT
Looks like I found liberal indoctrination at it's best. Do you all genuflect to your master, King Obama ? Reply
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Shannonals
Oct 20, 09 7:50 PM CDT
All GOP is doing is splitting the country. Where was the supoort of tea parties during the Bush years? When the Mother, (I can't recall her name), posted herself outside of the White house and Bush's ranch after her son's death she was labeled a nutcase by Fox news and mocked by Republicans, but now that sort of thing is considere acceptable. Reply
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MediaTechMadman
Oct 22, 09 9:15 AM CDT
Her name is Cindy Sheehan and I double-dog dare you to support your claim with a NEWS story where she was labeled as a "nutcase." Note I am asking for a NEWS story citation - not commentary by Hannity or O'Reilly. Learn the difference.
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RHeite
Oct 24, 09 11:58 AM CDT
The mother that you mention received the news she did for breaking the law and getting arrested to try and make her point and get the news coverage that CNN and MSNBC were more than happy to give her.
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jdh2550
Oct 20, 09 9:07 PM CDT
"We should listen to reason instead and reject fear. " That says it all. Reply
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Monjubikahn
Oct 28, 09 3:25 PM CDT
We are the other people. We are the other people. You're the other people too. Trying to find a way to get to you. Do you think that I'm lazy,stupid and blind? Do you think that I dream through the night of holding you near me? Ann Coulter?
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DeniseVB
Oct 20, 09 9:44 PM CDT
I watch Fox for the news. Obviously, most people do if you've noticed the ratings are blowing the others away COMBINED. Reply
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flobflo2020
Oct 21, 09 12:40 PM CDT
COMBINED? Bull**** ALL the others combined SWAMP faux. More people COMBINED DON"T watch faux every night then tune in........
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lasty58
Oct 21, 09 11:12 PM CDT
The ratings don't make fox a good news channel, why don't you people get that most people watching fox news are doing so for entertainment. house got 6.7 million viewers last week, obviously entertainment shows get higher ratings. fox news just learned how to market entertainment as news without their audience understanding the difference.
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vnbrtzl
Oct 26, 09 4:18 AM CDT
I browse Newser . It's more comic than the funnies. The new "Far Side"
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flounder
Oct 20, 09 11:44 PM CDT
Fox claims that their "straight" news is unbiased, and I think the Obama plan is to show just how biased and untruthful the "news" hosts like Megyn Kelly really are. If the facade that the crazy lying rants of Beck and Hannity aren't really that different than the crazy lying stuff said by the hosts of Fox and Friends is destroyed, then Fox becomes a laughing stock. There will be a day when WH Press Secretary Robert Gibbs breaks the ice with so-called "straight" Fox WH correspondent by asking him if his employer has found the presidents birth certificate yet. The entire room is going to explode in mocking laughter and Fox will know that they have become a joke like World Net Daily or the Weekly Standard. Fox may still make money but they won't be taken seriously, which is what they really need to drive their hateful agenda. Reply
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MediaTechMadman
Oct 22, 09 9:23 AM CDT
I double dog dare you to cite ONE NEWS story to support your claim that Fox News is biased. Remember, I'm asking for a news story - not commentary. Learn to tell the difference.
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vnbrtzl
Oct 26, 09 4:00 AM CDT
I love stuffed flounder.
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Kip
Oct 30, 09 6:51 PM CDT
Hey MediaTechMadman, it is not what news stories are reported on Fox, it's what they leave out. No one can report 100% of the news, but Fox seems to deliberately avoid reporting anything positive about the current admin. It is blatantly skewed. The exact opposite was true prior to the election last year. If you didn't notice that they switched from being a WH-lover to a WH-hater overnight then you are delusional. And I double dog dare you to prove me wrong.
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DanOregon
Oct 21, 09 4:04 AM CDT
The problem with Fox is that their "opinion" shows have more influence on their "news" shows than the other way around. Beck or Hannity will start an "investigation" - said investigation will become "the Obama Administration is being accused by critics of X" on their news site and voila - you have a "story." There are legit pros on Fox, unfortunately they are too often being influenced by the opinion shows, rather than the other way around. What the Obama administration has done is they have given Fox a choice - act more like a real news org or go full "wingnut" instead of trying to have it both ways. Reply
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a.delicate.genius
Oct 21, 09 7:11 AM CDT
fox is entertainment...reality tv. murdoch is a smart businessman. there's too much competition in the 'real news' business, so counter program and get richer. Reply
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flobflo2020
Oct 21, 09 12:52 PM CDT
The Adm is CORRECT. Treat them as the OPPOSITION. That is what they are. The republikan party's official talking points reading "news/views" network....... Reply
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J.Buttafucco
Oct 21, 09 1:24 PM CDT
You people are scary. Obama uber alles! Reply
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Reader83540559
Oct 21, 09 1:37 PM CDT
Buttafucco that doesn't make them right and they know it. I don't need to know when they have a tingle run up their legs. How can anybody not see we are headed for destruction? Wow! Reply
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Sphynx
Oct 21, 09 3:23 PM CDT
There's just no room for any dissent under Obamao. Take that, Fox! (we learned our media handling from Richard M. Nixon). Reply
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cfbailey
Oct 21, 09 5:13 PM CDT
Fox News has 2 million viewers? I think that is way off Reply
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LogCabin
Oct 21, 09 10:58 PM CDT
There's that famous liberal tolerance for differing ideas! All hail the God-King! Reply
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MediaTechMadman
Oct 22, 09 9:00 AM CDT
Did you look at the composition of the poll you site? The numbers certainly do look compelling for support of a public option until you realize that the poll relied on Democrat more than Republican respondents. You can do anything with polls you want. Reply
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MediaTechMadman
Oct 22, 09 9:11 AM CDT
I dare someone to cite ONE news story broadcast on Fox News that can be shown to be biased. Note that I am calling for NEWS stories - not commentary from Beck or Hannity. Those are not NEWS stories. Reply
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flobflo2020
Oct 28, 09 10:48 AM CDT
here's some..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGIkSmvS9So&feature=player_embedded
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MediaTechMadman
Oct 22, 09 9:29 AM CDT
Did anyone see the MSNBC report when BHO was visiting Pheonix during the Summer. The video showed a guy with a rifle and a handgun outside an Obama rally. The news anchor said something along the lines of how scary it was to have "white people with guns so near the President." Turns out the guy was actually black. The MSNBC video was nicely edited to show only the guns, his pants and his shirt. Riots have broken out for less inflammatory reports and yet, nobody objected to the obvious slant applied to the story. Don't be sheep. Check your facts and learn the difference between OPINION or COMMENTARY and NEWS. Reply
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krissy519
Oct 22, 09 10:16 AM CDT
The scary thing is that if FOX is stopped, then the constitution has not been upheld. No matter what side you are on we need to protect freedom of speech. The only reason this administration would have any need to stop the talk is if there is some truth to what is being said and they are running scared. If there is no truth to what is being said, then ignore it. But don't mess with the right to free speech, cause you might be next. Reply
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MediaTechMadman
Oct 22, 09 11:44 AM CDT
I think the question should be, "Is the Obama administration attacking Fox News not because of what HAS been reported, but because of what WILL be reported?" Is Fox - which seems to be the only news organization willing to "speak truth to power" - a threat because they are not fawning over BHO like many other news organizations. I am a former broadcast journalist and I can tell you that I am ashamed of most of the practitioners in my former profession. We shouldn't be asking, "Is Fox News biased against the BHO administration," but rather, "Why aren't CNN, NBC, ABC (to a lesser degree) and MSNBC more skeptical?" Look how long it took anyone other than Fox News to report on the ACORN scandal? That was a story as legitimate as the Jack Abramoff and you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting that story on every network newscast - including Fox. Here's another. Several thousand supporters of gay rights march on Washington and every outlet reports. Several thousand (low estimate) Tea Party marches descend on Washington and the predominant angle reported are the few signs of a few crazy marchers and not on the reason these people came from across the US to voice their displeasure with the direction of the country. This entire situation is very scary.
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old_lady
Feb 3, 10 3:13 PM CST
MediaTechMadman said "Is Fox - which seems to be the only news organization willing to "speak truth to power" - I say there are lies and there are damn lies... that was a damn lie.
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Snowleopard
Oct 22, 09 11:43 AM CDT
Fox isn't pushing a conservative agenda, it's pushing a republican one. All they care about is getting the GOP elected again. Reply
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Snowleopard
Oct 22, 09 11:45 AM CDT
...that and driving up ratings & profits through slander, lies, and false outrage.
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MediaTechMadman
Oct 22, 09 11:48 AM CDT
Prove to me that FOX NEWS is pushing an agenda. Give me ONE STORY that illustrates your point. Generalizations are easy to throw out there, but actual examples are harder to come by.
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krissy519
Oct 23, 09 11:26 AM CDT
This comment and your next one has just described every network in operation right now. Everyone has their own agenda and it's all about money. Deny it.
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MediaTechMadman
Oct 22, 09 11:53 AM CDT
I can give you one that illustrates either an agenda or just plain stupidity on the part of MSNBC. Look at... www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI Reply
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MediaTechMadman
Oct 22, 09 11:55 AM CDT
Now. Who will be the first defender of the BHO Admin to call me a name? Reply
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krissy519
Oct 22, 09 12:35 PM CDT
I wish people would stop calling him a "black" president. He is BI-RACIAL. Half of his relatives are as white as mine. Reply
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RHeite
Oct 24, 09 12:03 PM CDT
You have to remember though - it's his half black side that makes him so "special" an easy thing to overlook in order to get to play that magical little card.
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nellpost
Oct 22, 09 3:52 PM CDT
Keith Olbermann has helped raise over a million dollars for free clinics in states where the congresspeople are wavering...good for MSNBC -- what good ever comes out of foxhatenews, BTW? Reply
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jlspann
Oct 24, 09 10:13 AM CDT
It is amazing how many people are divided and just saying what they want to believe. I am registered democrat but consider myself an American. In 60 years, I have never seen such division and disregard for truth on both sides. Go to unbiased sources. There is no such thing as completely unbiased and you have to remember that no matter who you listen to. Fox has some fine reporting and news shows as do other networks. Some not so good. You have to seperate the news from commentary. Let everyone enjoy what they want and don't be judgemental. Also, you may want to get info from Rasmussin and other reputable unbiased polls. By the way, they show Americans report trusting republicans on 10 of the top issues we face now. This is new. Democrats need to look inward to see what the problem is instead of attacking who they perceive to be enemies. Reply
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stever
Oct 24, 09 7:08 PM CDT
Read this: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/obama-news-president-2620879-chicago-bring Reply
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mouse
Oct 26, 09 6:54 AM CDT
Free speech is a protected right under the Constitution. The office of the Presidency should not be used to limit or restrict a free press. If this is supported now, against Fox, will it be used against another press organization in the future, perhaps against a news channel YOU prefer? THINK PEOPLE! Reply
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flobflo2020
Oct 28, 09 10:45 AM CDT
Nobody is LIMITING ANYTHING. Get informed....faux news is the OPPOSITION........THEY.have admitted it......so be it....when you watch and agree........you are the opposition........And for the wingnut that keeps harping for "evidence" that faux views and faux news "there is a difference" there is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGIkSmvS9So&feature=player_embedded Reply
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Monjubikahn
Oct 28, 09 3:35 PM CDT
Remember to spay and neuter your cats. Leave the real procreating to the ferral population. Reply
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MediaTechMadman
Oct 29, 09 9:14 AM CDT
To follow up on mone of my previous replies to this piece, look at the following article on RealClearPolitics (IMO ONE of the BEST sites around). The article examines how changing the terminology used by NBC/WSJ versus Rasmussen. See it at http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2009/10/the_public_option_in_the_nbc_n.html. This goes to show that no matter which media sources you view, you must validate the information you receive against other sources. Don't be SHEEPLE. Do the work BEFORE you start venting. Reply
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riffran
Oct 31, 09 5:04 AM CDT
you're barking up the wrong forest with this crowd Madam..it doesn't matter what facts or logic you use or prove, after the thread is done it's back to the same when the next story that involves FOX or anything remotely non -liberal...the usual mantra and obfuscation...but it makes for fun arguments when the ER slows down...and helps pass the time...keeep up the good work :)
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old_lady
Feb 3, 10 3:14 PM CST
There are lies and there are damn lies your previous comment (below) can be called a damn lie. "Is Fox - which seems to be the only news organization willing to "speak truth to power" -
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LKJAMES
Oct 29, 09 3:47 PM CDT
I THING WE SHOULD GET BACK TO GOD, AND HIS TEACHING, Reply
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old_lady
Feb 3, 10 3:15 PM CST
... and which God would that be? Reply
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