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Fossil Find Shakes Up Evolution Timeline

Ardipithecus ramidus lived in trees and walked upright

By Harry Kimball| Posted Oct 1, 09 11:51 AM CDT|

(Newser) – A primate fossil found in Africa in 1994 predates the famous “Lucy” skeleton by 1 million years and offers clues to human evolution, researchers say. “This is huge,” a paleoanthropologist tells the Washington Post. “This is the biggest discovery really since” Lucy. The researchers believe “Ardi”—Ardipithecus ramidus—lived in trees but could walk upright to forage for food on the ground.

“Ardi” would have been able to live in both the forest and savannah environments of Africa some 4 million years ago. “Is she our ancestor?" the team’s leader wonders. “Probably not. If she didn't have any kids, tough luck, she's nobody's ancestor.” But the fossil is as close as scientists have come to the “last common ancestor” of chimps and humans, and suggests our primate cousins have evolved much more than we have.

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Dr. C. Owen Lovejoy, a member if the team, with a reproduction of Lucy's skeleton. (AP Photo)

A three-dimensional model of the 3.2 million-year-old hominid known as Lucy. (AP Photo)

A speculative rendering of Ardipithecus ramidus, source of the fossil that's shaking up archaeology. (J.H. Matternes/Science)

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Ardi tells us twice as much as Lucy did. We have hands and feet, a more complete environment, a more complete skeleton, it's older, it's more primitive, it shows us the process of transformation. - C. Owen Lovejoy, Kent State University

The Ardipithecus genus gave rise to Australiopithecus even though we can't say exactly what species did. Maybe ramidus did. But certainly something like ramidus did. - Tim White, UC-Berkeley

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Krystle
Oct 1, 09 11:57 AM CDT

Fascinating! I just picked up Richard Dawkins' book The Greatest Show On Earth, so I'm diving into this subject right now. Reply

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dontlikeyou
Oct 1, 09 1:24 PM CDT

There is no missing link. Evolution is an unproven theory. This is find #1001 that is supposed to be the silver bullet of evolution. It is further atheist bullshit.

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dontlikeyou
Oct 1, 09 1:28 PM CDT

@krystle.... if you love angry hateful writing, you'll love Dawkin's book. There's not much factual information in it, but it's full of hatred of others who disagree with Dawkins.... right up your liberal alley I'm sure.

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Corona_Kinq
Oct 1, 09 1:37 PM CDT

@dontlikeyou, your trolls have become really desperate. Take it down a notch.

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rajanKazhmin
Oct 1, 09 1:39 PM CDT

Dawkins is great stuff. He's a bit abrasive at times, but rightfully so! People that have no idea what they are talking about are constantly trying to drag is work through the mud. It's like working in advertising.

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my-name-here
Oct 1, 09 1:59 PM CDT

@Dontlikeyou, The Theory of Evolution is actually among the most scrutinized and often tested of all scientific theories, and not only survives but actually thrives and is only gaining more and more evidence. And PLEASE look up "scientific theory". They are never "proven". Who doubts gravity? Yet it is still "only a theory". Though not all credible scientists doubt God's existence, none doubt evolution, which is observed regularly. Or are you just singling out "human" evolution for your doubts?

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Spudsy
Oct 1, 09 6:20 PM CDT

Yes dontlikeanything, Your bible is so full of love, like Leviticus 25:44 in which it promotes slavery. Didn't Mein Kampf do something like that too? You should read the whole book sometime instead of only listening to the parts that they read to you in church. You know, those guys are only trying to get money from you so they don't want you to know the whole story..

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PancakeDiplomat
Oct 1, 09 8:56 PM CDT

@dontlikeyou... I take it you're a religious person? Ok, sure, that's fine and all. It's just interesting (and kinda funny) to see that such a fervent believer of God who is apparently disgusted by Dawkins "angry hateful writing", ironically uses words such as "bulshit", insults people who have different beliefs, and, bes of all, has for an avatar a dude giving all of us the finger. That is all :) Be well now.

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kyleleitch
Oct 1, 09 11:55 PM CDT

Hey dontlikeyou, you say that there's no missing link with a lot of factual confidence there. And your responde to krystle is rather angry and "hateful," don't you think?...... hypocrite.

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jagerhans
Oct 2, 09 4:03 AM CDT

hey creationists ! it's not that we have something against you. I used to be one of you. It would be nice if i could still believe, that would spare me lots of anxiety . that's why the 'God' meme is so popular. It helps you to fend off fear and solitude. but it appears for what it is, a way to get consolation. better being men and accepting the fact that we're alone on this rock .

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johntitor
Oct 2, 09 4:23 AM CDT

God is a concept by which we measure our pain-John Lennon

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Krystle
Oct 2, 09 5:21 AM CDT

There's no need for a 'missing link', there is plenty of evidence for evolution. Fossils are not needed to prove anything, they are simply icing on the cake to the evidence that supports evolution. In any case, there are plenty of intermediate fossils connecting humans to a common ancestor that we share with chimpanzees. It's not my fault that you keep spouting the trite 'there's no missing link' phrase that is outdated and wrong. Evolution is a fact, no matter how hard you want to deny it.

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barthy
Oct 1, 09 12:01 PM CDT

It's evolution Baby! Reply

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Altoecko
Oct 1, 09 12:05 PM CDT

I'm the first mammal to wear pants!

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PancakeDiplomat
Oct 1, 09 9:02 PM CDT

Im at peace with my lust! I can kill cause in God I trust, yeah!

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divetrader
Oct 1, 09 12:06 PM CDT

Palin is really going to have a hard time with this. Since the Earth is only 6000 years old in Palin time, this chimp must have been placed there as propoganda. It was probably left by Aliens. Reply

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Reader64481089
Oct 1, 09 12:42 PM CDT

Democrat Aliens from Africa probably

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dontlikeyou
Oct 1, 09 1:26 PM CDT

Actually, not every Christian believes in a 6000 year old earth. For example, I believe the earth is as old as fossil records indicate and I am a Christian. The young earth theory was born in the 17th century and progressed in the west in defense of the other assanine theory known as the theory of evolution. Both the young earth theory and the theory of evolution are full of holes and supported by true believers of their faith.

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IndependentThinker
Oct 1, 09 1:35 PM CDT

Don't you know, it is put there by God to test our faith. It is like when you test your wifes faith by paying a gigolo to hit on her. God has to test us because he can't tell which of us are faithful. He is a lot like a neurotic insecure girlfriend that wants you to say you love her every moment of every day.

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passinthru
Oct 1, 09 1:37 PM CDT

YOURE A CHRISTIAN!?!?!?!? what a bunch of fuckin bullshit...so not only are you a hypocrite, a bigot, a racist, and an all around douche bag, but your a Liar on top of that??...AWESOME, you have now become completely invisible to me, shutting up at this point would be your best defense to not look anymore rediculous.

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PosterNutbag
Oct 1, 09 1:40 PM CDT

What is a Christian? Here is some other stuff that I noticed some Christians don't believe: “Love the Lord your God with all your passion and prayer and intelligence. Love others as well as you love yourself.” “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.” “It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven”

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dax
Oct 1, 09 2:36 PM CDT

@dontlikeyou - Disprove the likelihood of "Natural Selection" as a defining process, and then you might have some justification in calling it b.s.

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dax
Oct 1, 09 2:43 PM CDT

Which, as you have just stated, is one of the tenets of Palin-tology.

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dax
Oct 1, 09 2:45 PM CDT

@divetrader - Which, as you have just stated, is one of the tenets of Palin-tology.

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WallyEFunk
Oct 1, 09 12:10 PM CDT

"suggests our primate cousins have evolved much more than we have." What ? Have they been reading some of the newser comments?LOL Reply

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Pragmaticrealism
Oct 1, 09 12:22 PM CDT

Heresy! Reply

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hybrid
Oct 1, 09 12:48 PM CDT

haaaahaha, you guys really believe this dont you? ONE million years ago Reply

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myvoice
Oct 1, 09 1:12 PM CDT

please elaborate... because it reads the Ardi is 4 million years old.

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dontlikenobody
Oct 1, 09 2:34 PM CDT

Could I perhaps suggest that , no matter who posts it, or what else the post says, no posts should ever contain the expressions haaaahaha, HAHAHA, NYAAHNYAAH, or "You've got cooties, poopypants!" Thank You.

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dax
Oct 1, 09 2:37 PM CDT

Or "BWAAAHAHAHA."

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hybrid
Oct 1, 09 3:23 PM CDT

sorry i was referring to the begining:Lucy” skeleton by 1 million years and offers clues to human evolution, researchers say.) lucy was bogus as well as this....and no im not a religous "whacko"

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dontlikenobody
Oct 1, 09 5:15 PM CDT

Since you are not a religious whacko, perhaps you'd be good enough to share your evidence about Lucy. I'm sure it's much more convincing than anything Dr Leakey could say.

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riffran
Oct 2, 09 12:32 AM CDT

ya mean we can't use poopeypants no more????DAMN....lmao..:)

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godawgs
Oct 1, 09 4:06 PM CDT

that's pimp but i wonder why they are always women skeletons. Reply

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Aaarrrggg
Oct 1, 09 4:24 PM CDT

I just don't understand why everyone can't get on board with "evolution is how God makes things work"...? He is rumoured to work in mysterious ways after all! :) Reply

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Aaarrrggg
Oct 1, 09 10:42 PM CDT

By the way, I'm not saying that's what I necessarily believe. I'm agnostic because the way I see it you can't rule God out completely, the universe is a big place!... but I live like an atheist because I figure if there is a God he'd be proud of me for living right and getting on with things.

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Jayster999
Oct 1, 09 4:27 PM CDT

This comment has been removed by Newser’s community. You must be logged in to view this comment. Reply

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aces08
Oct 1, 09 4:44 PM CDT

We all come from Africa if your referring to Obamas heritage. So actually, you and Obama and every other human are actually all related. This may be shocking but to put it bluntly you and every human on the earth is of African descent and therefore black. Yeah i said it.

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zackmasson
Oct 2, 09 1:32 AM CDT

with that logic you probably think different skin color descended from different primates. You should really read up on melanin.

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newsrmandan
Oct 1, 09 5:10 PM CDT

http://www.provethebible.net/T2-Hist/APP-0301.htm has an interesting argument well laid out for any who have questions. I have been enlightened I am sure my atheist newser friends will find it stimulating as well. @ Idontlikeyou....these articles about evolution always interest me b/c eventually they end as an argument over the existence of God vs the atheist cry against any-such-silliness. Atheist are in general (not always) M.M. Ohairist who hate the thought of anything that smacks of a supreme being. AkA God. So there are atheist that are, to be mild, not pretty. But it should only be the character of those who hate Christ and God to be knarly and surly looking forward to any fight they can get into. That should not be the character of one who has tasted forgiveness. Whats the difference between and atheist and a christian if they both act the same? Reply

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dontlikenobody
Oct 1, 09 5:18 PM CDT

Good point, newsmandan, even if clothed in sentiments I can't agree with.

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MarkFL
Oct 1, 09 8:42 PM CDT

I had quite a laugh reading your link Dan. The idea that there is some sort of debate about the age of the universe is really hilarious. This is not an interesting argument. It is revisionist, anti science, denial and outright lies. What's the difference between an atheist and a christian? I agree that there is very little difference. Christians believe about 10-20 totally laughable supernatural claims and everything else is pretty much the same. Christians love to pretend that they are about love and forgiveness and whatever. They are really about perpetuating a mythology as fact. Everything else is personality. Nice people and jerks come in any religious stripe (or non-religious). The difference is in the myths. Resurrection, creation, virgin birth, revelation, prayer, afterlife, miracles, dualism (the existence of a soul), salvation, commandments and other such supernatural nonsense are really the only difference. In every other respect atheists are the same as the theists.

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kyleleitch
Oct 1, 09 11:58 PM CDT

You can't 'prove' the bible. I wish people would stop using science to 'prove' philosophy; proving anything isn't what science is for. It suggests what something may be by showing what it isn't.

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Derni
Oct 1, 09 6:21 PM CDT

readinmh therse comments makes it all too clear why getting a health bill thru Congress with both sindes making a contribution is next to impossible-ugh Reply

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OWLWOMANXXXX
Oct 1, 09 7:49 PM CDT

Seems to me that God can take on many forms...so what form was he in when he created man Reply

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MarkFL
Oct 1, 09 8:28 PM CDT

whatever form the person inventing him wants it to be. The idea that God created man is so unbelievably ridiculous regardless of what "form" god takes. The changing nature of gods reflects the individual whims of believers. God takes no form at all. God is whatever people want him to be because they believe about gods whatever make them feel good.

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MarkFL
Oct 1, 09 8:23 PM CDT

Newserman, atheists do not hate the thought of God. We do not believe that God exists. This is the most reasonable position. It has nothing to do with being liberal or angry or confused. Belief in God is a ridiculous thing for any sane person. I don't believe that religious people are dumb. Just that they never look into the reasons why they believe what they do. Atheists are not disgruntled with God. We do not hate God. We simply do not believe in absurd supernatural explanations for natural phenomena. The notion of God is totally nonsensical. An atheists hating God is like a Christian hating flying twinkies. We don't hate because it is not there. Reply

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newsrmandan
Oct 2, 09 5:45 PM CDT

mark,...."I don't believe that religious people are dumb".... "The notion of God is totally nonsensical" ehh? either you do or you don't stick with one please. Christians like you said, don't hate flying twinkies and as far as I know no christian has ever created an organization that refutes the tenants of the Flying twinkies crowd. The Atheists organizations and their connected offshoots, public school boards, liberals and anarchist, fascists and the sort, ; ) spend a good portion of their collective energy refuting the existence of God. What does it say about a person If God does not exist and your refuting his existence? I guess you'll say that the same could be said for the Christian so I'll concede that point. At one level were equally crazy. Even you must admit that. So the next question is who is more crazy since were both crazy you for refuting something that doesn't exist and me for believing something you say doesn't exist. In the end your crazier for refuting something that doesn't exist than I am for believing something -you- say doesn't exist. Just b/c you say "there is not God" doesn't make it true. My belief in God comes from His revealed word, your dis-belief comes from yours and others like you're words. I submit to a higher authority, where atheist like yourself submit to......yourself. Thats why all true atheist end up looking like if not acting like Madi O'hare. With no higher authority than them selves one can treat another person just the way they always wanted to, beating and spitting and cussing at them with not regard for their good. Mark, saying God does not exist is like blowing at the sun and saying "I snuffed it out".... you cant do it.

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Erasmus
Oct 1, 09 10:16 PM CDT

we just saw Dawkins on Tuesday in Toronto - to a completely sold out and wonderful audience. he is a complete gentleman, a scientist, a great humanitarian, and VERY funny. He read excerpts from his new book - and I've got a signed copy, hurrah! Go see his book tour, and enjoy this book - which points out that the Pope, The A of C, the Bishops, and ALL 'educated' church members all accept and support the undisputed facts of human evolution - it's just the people without further education who are desperately fighting the modern world. What we need is better public education, and funding for science. Reply

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Clio
Oct 1, 09 10:43 PM CDT

I think that people who insist on "god" as an ultimate arbiter, (whether they are uneducated or quite educated but doing a kabuki dance of trying to fit a 'god' concept into their personal cosmology, while still understanding the actual science of evolution, paleontology, particle physics, quantum theory, etc. ) are probably a personality type - which is either genetic or genetic trending but conditioned by fundamentalist environments, homeschooling, and lack of access to real knowledge. This is not news, of course. But I have been wondering lately whether this desperate need to invent a 'god', and to get so ANGRY that people see this obsession as a sad mental problem, rather than *truth* may actually be evidence that the 'god obsession' is simply a brain pleat (like OCD) that is simply a need for 'authority', or 'permission' to permit closure. Thus, the religious-obsessed people actually NEED someone, something, some entity to give them 'permission' to exist, or act, or function, they think they need some sort of legitimizing 'other' - they're afraid to be alone, afraid of 'emptiness', afraid of being a cipher, and certainly afraid of dying (because they invent 'heaven' - so they don't have to let go.). We know research has just started to investigate the need for 'authority' and 'order' and a strange inability to deal wit ambiguityin the Conservative brain - but perhaps all of these people who desperately hope for some sort of mystical authority figure are really just nervous about their own identity, or are simply afraid they are anonymous atoms in an uncaring universe, poor sad things. It's probaby all Freudian, but it does make you feel a bit sorry for them l... the good ones are just sad. The desperate ones are usually sociopaths - trending fascist. I don't care at all what they 'believe', but we do need to keep an eye on the paranoid ones with weapons. They're feeling cornered, and may bite. Reply

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fancygapva
Oct 2, 09 5:46 AM CDT

@don'tlikeyou: If you're trying to attract more people to Christianity your language doesn't reflect it--or perhaps you're looking to attract Christians with guns spoiling for a fight. Perhaps you better review your New Testament for lessons in love and humility. As for evolution, there's more evidence in its favor than against it. I'm speaking of scientific evidence, not "faith" which in your case appears to mean a belief that you hold. Reply

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Mike_Licht
Oct 2, 09 7:05 AM CDT

Ardi's robust thumb musculature and flexible midcarpal (wrist) joint are perfect for text-messaging. See: http://notionscapital.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/ardipithecus-ramidus/ Reply

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