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57% in Poll Back Public Option

Last-resort state-run plans gain 76% backing

By M. Morris| Posted Oct 19, 09 6:23 PM CDT|

(Newser) – A majority of Americans, 57%, support including a public option in health care reform legislation, according to a newly released poll. The public option had the backing of just 52% in a mid-August survey. Forty percent of respondents oppose the public option. And giving people who have no affordable alternatives access to programs run by individual states has the support of a whopping 76% in the Washington Post/ABC News poll.

Forty-eight percent of Americans oppose the umbrella measures currently under consideration in Congress, which have the support of 45%—roughly the same as in August. The results divide sharply along party lines, with 70% of Democrats backing health care reform and 90% of Republicans opposing it. Three-quarters of the uninsured support the legislation, compared to 53% of those who currently have insurance.

Supporters of universal health care hold a banner outside of the Westin St. Francis Hotel in San Francisco, Oct. 15, 2009. President Obama was in San Francisco for a fundraising event. (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez)

Roger Hicks, an emergency care physician from Grass Valley, Calif., demonstrates in favor of health care reform during a protest outside the Westin St. Francis Hotel in San Francisco, Oct. 15, 2009. (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez)

Caroline Anthony of Media, Pa., and other opponents of proposals to overhaul the health care system protest on Independence Mall in Philadelphia, Sept. 9, 2009. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)

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divetrader
Oct 19, 09 6:27 PM CDT

I have insurance and I totally support a one payer system. The public option wasn't my first choice, but it is a choice I want. Reply

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gspirit7373
Nov 4, 09 7:00 PM CST

One word DUMBASS. You will NOT have a choice when your employeer sees he doesn't have to put out all that money and when you don't get the Public option your going to get fined out the ass. It is impossible to have a one size fits all health care. Stuff that one size fits all crap where the sun don't shine. I hate libs.

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Jayster999
Oct 19, 09 6:36 PM CDT

LOL. Lemme guess they conducted this poll in Detroit. What a crock. In poll after poll Americans have denounced Obamacare--public option or not. Reply

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Shannonals
Oct 19, 09 6:46 PM CDT

What polls are you referring to Jayster999?

+21

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freethemall
Oct 19, 09 7:23 PM CDT

I second Shannonal's query. What polls Jayster?

+12

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jamerican
Oct 19, 09 7:29 PM CDT

Jayster what do you expect from this news source which is clearly liberal and will slant to the left. They probably took the poll with liberals, many who are already on the government nipple and want to be cared for for free. I guarantee if it was the working taxpayers who were polled they would be in a majority agreement not to raise taxes for this government run fiasco of a proposed health care program...especially by paying for 20 million illegal criminal mexicans that nobumer wants to cover (which he lied about)...as well as abortions as a form of birth control.

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jamerican
Oct 19, 09 7:36 PM CDT

Someone asked earlier for some documents of obama's lies. For an list of obama lies google "list of obama lies", also at this website http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/05/documented-lie-50-obama-claimed-he-had.html

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MrsK
Oct 19, 09 8:11 PM CDT

Did Acorn conduct the poll?

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MrsK
Oct 19, 09 8:13 PM CDT

Okay, now I am laughing my ass off. Shannonals got 10+ for asking you what polls you were referring to. Hilarious!

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BoZo
Oct 19, 09 8:21 PM CDT

Why you gotta call out DetRIOT, homie?

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JonmarkP
Oct 19, 09 8:41 PM CDT

In Jayster's Birtherbagger code, "Detroit" means "Black" - you know, the lazy loafers who used to build our cars before Bush destroyed the economy.

+11

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jeebus
Oct 19, 09 9:01 PM CDT

Polling the different voices in your head doesn't count as legitimate polling.

+12

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JonmarkP
Oct 19, 09 10:04 PM CDT

Good one, Jeebus!

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JonmarkP
Oct 19, 09 10:06 PM CDT

Hey, here's a little information for you about REAL Death Panels: California health insurance companies denied 22% of claims last year. PacifiCare denied 39.6%!

+10

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cityeyes
Oct 19, 09 11:34 PM CDT

Well according to just about every news search that came up with the search "Public health care, poll", the public ranges from slightly to overwhelmingly in favor of a public option. Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that you haven't seen them. People with your narrow worldview tend to completely ignore dissenting opinions as garbage without taking the whole picture into mind.

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oldgoat
Oct 20, 09 4:25 AM CDT

Poll after poll by conservative groups that are against the public option? Once we got past the fear tactics of the right and people started listening to real information a lot of them came back around to supporting a public option.

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Snowleopard
Oct 20, 09 4:30 AM CDT

I've seen another poll with 64% support for the public option. as usual jayster's full of it.

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hybrid
Oct 20, 09 7:18 AM CDT

Rasmussen And Gallup

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DeadMonkey321
Oct 19, 09 6:43 PM CDT

problem: the article states that in both polls mentioned the public is in support of the public option (seems they like having the option of living despite their illnesses and woes). solution: bash democrats and blatantly conflict the reported numbers. success. Reply

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cityeyes
Oct 19, 09 11:37 PM CDT

Sadly, that's the general path that these people take. They scream out "liberal bias" when something doesn't go their way and when someone asks them for the facts later down the line they're confident in saying that everything is the way that they want it to be, completely ignorant of what is really going on. It's sad. We've spent trillions on a war spurred by a few thousand dead Americans and they didn't care, but when we want to put money toward solving a problem that kills over 40,000 Americans yearly, they freak out.

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ronimaca
Oct 19, 09 6:46 PM CDT

more people with health insurance = more patients for the doctors to see = more people working = more income taxes paid by all. Public Option now for all,not 3 yeaars from now right now. Reply

+12

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gspirit7373
Nov 4, 09 7:04 PM CST

If you choose to take this public option you are allowing the Government to tell you everything you need. You no longer have a choice. You will have NO paycheck left over NO disposable income because it will fund all the piece of crap peole who bitch and whine that they don't have this and don't have that.

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Jayster999
Oct 19, 09 6:50 PM CDT

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/01/opinion/polls/main5280373.shtml Reply

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rkossik
Oct 19, 09 6:55 PM CDT

This poll is almost two months old, right off of Republicans ambushing heath care reform at town hall meetings.

+11

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JonmarkP
Oct 19, 09 8:43 PM CDT

Aw, man, you're not supposed to be paying attention to little details like somebody quoting a poll that's several months old. Paying attention is playing dirty pool when you're debating defenseless Republicans.

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alkaseltzersammich
Oct 19, 09 9:03 PM CDT

FAIL

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cityeyes
Oct 19, 09 11:38 PM CDT

Yeah rkossik. Jesus. Paying attention to the facts is a dirty liberal tactic. You have to take everything you hear and see at face value and completely change your opinions accordingly. Also, ignore everything that might convince you otherwise as liberal tripe or the ushering in of a New World Order.

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Snowleopard
Oct 20, 09 4:36 AM CDT

Jayster: The one poll you found STILL SHOW MAJORITY SUPPORT FOR THE PUBLIC OPTION: "Support for the so-called "public option" -- a government-administered health insurance plan - still finds majority support, though that support has been steadily dropping since June. In this poll, 60 percent favor it, with 34 percent opposed. " ... you lie.

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Jayster999
Oct 19, 09 6:51 PM CDT

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27640.html Reply

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rkossik
Oct 19, 09 6:52 PM CDT

American voters gave Democrats the power they need to pass REAL health care form, which requires a strong public option. The future of sustained Democratic leadership depends on them delivering on this important issue. Reply

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cornelison
Oct 19, 09 7:13 PM CDT

Americans can replace the Democrats who are paid off by the insurance companies. You can also vote for a Republican if you believe that American will thrive with no middle class & another great depression.

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Jayster999
Oct 19, 09 6:54 PM CDT

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,567908,00.html Reply

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foodchain11
Oct 19, 09 7:35 PM CDT

Geez, you have so much energy. I have to respect how much you believe your information. I don't mean to sound mean. It's just not what I believe.

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Vyridian
Oct 19, 09 8:46 PM CDT

I'll give the other sources a little weight, but FOX is not a legitimate source. Ever.

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Jayster999
Oct 19, 09 6:57 PM CDT

Polls are not objective. What they are doing is trying to shape public opinion and make it bandwagonesque to jump on board the Obummer express to Palookaville. Reply

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rkossik
Oct 19, 09 6:59 PM CDT

The only poll that matters was last November, and heath care reform won big.

+12

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alkaseltzersammich
Oct 19, 09 9:06 PM CDT

Then why do you keep posting links to polls?

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JaneMP
Oct 19, 09 10:13 PM CDT

jayster--you do realize you are talking about the President of the United States--which is your country, I believe. Such rudeness against OUR president is disgusting. If you have a difference of opinion, state it--don't just insult.

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UseReason
Oct 19, 09 6:59 PM CDT

Considering the bottom half of taxpayers pay about 3% of their total income in federal taxes, contributing to less than 3% of total income taxes collected, I find it hard to believe that less than 50% of Americans would support a public option. It is essentially free health insurance to be paid for by the top 50% of earners in America who contribute to over 97% of federal income taxes collected. Reply

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Thinker
Oct 19, 09 7:07 PM CDT

Please cite your source.

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UseReason
Oct 19, 09 7:11 PM CDT

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html See Table 1

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Jayster999
Oct 19, 09 7:11 PM CDT

The majority of working Americans with health insurance oppose Obamacare. The poor, and illegal immigrants are all for it. The middle class think that it stinks--and those are the people who have the most to lose.

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Fondue
Oct 19, 09 7:21 PM CDT

Jayster, you are hardly the voice of the middle class. This post has an air of deja vu. You make this statement as a fall back and never back it up with statistics that are not highly biased.

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Fondue
Oct 19, 09 7:29 PM CDT

As for the PO being free - wrong. There will be monthly premiums. Remember, the PO is a competitor. http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/publicoption.pdf

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UseReason
Oct 19, 09 7:54 PM CDT

Notice how I said, "essentially free" and not completely free. While people will have to pay premiums with the public option, that is only a fraction of the total cost of health care (deductibles, copayments, coinsurance, maximum payments, etc.). I'm also sure the public option will compete just at well as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in the private sector. Remember, they also promised not to be subsidized by taxpayers; we now own their 5 trillion in liabilities.

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cityeyes
Oct 19, 09 11:47 PM CDT

Jayster, you're an idiot. I'm paying for my health care right now and I'm for a public option. You know why? Because we are leaving our lives to a bunch of guys who do not care whether we live or die. They care that they get their money from us and will give the bare minimum to us. I would hate to live in a world run by greedy asshole such as yourself. 40,000 or more American lives are lost yearly due to a lack of health insurance and all you can do is make fun of illegal immigrants and poor people who can't afford insurance. I wouldn't wish harm upon anyone, but I really wish people with your mindset could be knocked down a few pegs. If you lost your job, were still working your hardest, but couldn't afford insurance, I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune. Same if you HAD insurance and were constantly fighting with the bastards to get the treatment that you've paid for.

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Rocket448
Oct 21, 09 11:58 AM CDT

UselessReason: I've checked the tax foundation page you cite and the average tax percentages don't make sense to me, they don't average out correctly. Yet, it is sobering to see the income divisions into which our nation's taxpayers fall. The top 1% earn more than $400,000.00 annually (inflation at work). The bottom HALF of all taxpayers earn LESS THAN $32,000.00. I don't think those folks are often asked their opinion in polls, due to being hard to contact because they have no phone, no fixed address and so forth. Anyway, 1% of the nation earns more than $400,000.00 annually and 50% earn less than $32,800.00. Sobering.

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justme
Oct 19, 09 7:02 PM CDT

American voters gave Obama the mandate to reform health care. Reading the votes of independents (the largest voter group in the nation), it is obvious that a major overhaul is not what they had in mind. They oppose the Obama plan but support a smaller public plan run by the states only for the currently uninsured (to keep employers from dumping employees into the plan). Reply

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cornelison
Oct 19, 09 7:07 PM CDT

Isn't this a moral issue? You do or don't want the uninsured to get sicker or die. You do or you don't want to re-elect politicians who are paid off by the insurance companies. You do or you don't want to share the cost of universal health care. Reply

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vwright1
Oct 19, 09 9:16 PM CDT

Personally, I do see this as a moral issue...take care of the poor and sick. Where have I heard that before?

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foodchain11
Oct 19, 09 7:42 PM CDT

The majority of WORKERS have really heap insurance. It's everyone else that has trouble. We pay $1027/month, no med, no surgeries, great vitals, no claims. We run our own business. We have a $2500 deductible, basically we have major medical. I've worked for the big corp and I understand cheap healthcare. A WHOLE LOT OF US DONT' HAVE AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE. I pay $12000+/year for nothing. A lot of folks can't. This is what you need to get your head around Reply

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Rocket448
Oct 21, 09 12:02 PM CDT

Chain, I think the majority of workers are in your position, too. Besides corporate directors and above, there is only a small group of state, federal and municipal workers who have low cost, low deductible insurance. There is a whole LOT of workers who, like you, have high-cost high-deductible insurance. I agree with you: people have to get their head around the magnitude of the problem.

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foodchain11
Oct 19, 09 7:46 PM CDT

Obviously, its "cheap" not heap. My experience is costly but I've had no problems. The problems, outside of cost, are very real. No matter how angry we all seem to be, I don't really hear anyone want someone to be hurt. Reply

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tran_tor
Oct 19, 09 10:10 PM CDT

It seems as though the healthcare industry has become regional monopolies, protected by law, from anti-trust litigation as well as consumer rights. Personally I think finding another way to pay for health costs will not fix the underlying problems. The only people who need to hurt are the vultures who are health care big business.

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bsmenot
Oct 19, 09 8:05 PM CDT

It is all in the way you ask the question. CBS actually had the support higher. 2 to 1. here was the question they asked: "Would you favor or oppose the government offering everyone a government-administered health-insurance plan—something like the Medicare coverage that people 65 and older get—that would compete with private health-insurance plans?" Fox on the other hand asked "Based on what you know about the health-care reform legislation being considered right now, do you favor or oppose the plan?" The answer: 24% Strongly Favor the legislative effort and 42% are Strongly Opposed. In general, health-reform poll numbers tend to be unreliable. Most surveys don't ask simple questions, they are asking for skewed responses. The other point to consider is that most polls will ask the questions in areas that are most likely to give them the answers they want. Face it people. Like the song says...clowns to the left of me jokers to the right. Reply

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Jayster999
Oct 19, 09 8:52 PM CDT

This poll was designed to create the illusion of more support in the hope of swaying more idiots to the side of "free guv'ment health care."

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alkaseltzersammich
Oct 19, 09 9:08 PM CDT

It's ok Jayster. Keep telling yourself what you want to hear.

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cityeyes
Oct 19, 09 11:42 PM CDT

Jayster, I've seen you say "guv'ment" when talking about health care twice today. Do people who are working hard for little money but also want to be able to STAY ALIVE all talk like idiots, or is that one of your own speech impediments seeping into your typed conversations?

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Libgirl
Oct 19, 09 9:32 PM CDT

I think bsmenot is right. We all jump for joy and stick out our middle fingers out at the other guys when we hear the polls are on our side. The conservatives do the same. I believe many polls like ABC's are nothing more than an attempt to gain more viewers. They want our side to watch them so they say what we want to hear. Fox has the conservatives in a tight grasp by doing the same thing. No reason for ABC to go after that audience. If they had a chance to get that crowd and it would mean more money for them I believe they could and would get different results to their polls. It is all about money. Reply

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Silverbow7
Oct 19, 09 10:17 PM CDT

Maybe those opposed to universal health care should have the option not to get it, or pay anything toward it, but do have to stay with the same insurance you fought so hard for...and no changing your mind when you wife or child is dying and they, "just say no." Reply

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Galileo
Oct 19, 09 11:38 PM CDT

I've conducted my own poll. Here is the question: When poll results conflict with what you hope is true, is the poll a conspiracy? The results: 1,038 for YES, 0 for No. Members answering the poll by vote: YES: Jayster 1,038 times. Reply

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Timinator2K
Oct 20, 09 8:20 AM CDT

Washington Post/ABC News poll. NO BIAS THERE IN THE STATE-CONTROLLED MEDIA, EH? Reply

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Derni
Oct 20, 09 9:19 AM CDT

The public option is being worked on as we read this and will be included in the final bill that goes up for the vote-and 20% admit to being a member of the GOP! This is interesting-20% is the worst figure in 26 years-maybe working with the democrats and being a partner and not fillingtheir pockets with $$from drug and insurance groups would've helped. Reply

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davjc09
Oct 20, 09 11:06 AM CDT

20% is a very misleading number. 20% are actual GOPers, while the majority of americans are independent. They might lean towards Republican ideals. The same poll that found 20% are die-hard republicans. They found that about 30% were democrat. Source: Politifact.com

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thephat
Oct 20, 09 9:35 AM CDT

I am so far from being a liberal or a democrat, but guys like Jamerican, and Jayster make me feel aligned with democrats. I am closer to libertarian, or even anarchist than liberal. I am very uncomfortable with government run anything, but when I see what ideology this is associated with it makes me want to run to any side that stands in opposition. America was founded on immigration, and the especially Mexicans comment makes me want to puke. Reply

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