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ELECTION 2010

Carly Fiorina Launches Calif. Senate Bid

Ex-HP chief would face Dem incumbent Boxer

Posted Nov 4, 09 10:07 AM CST|

(AP) – Former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina says she'll run for the US Senate seat held by California incumbent Barbara Boxer. Fiorina ended months of speculation today with an announcement in an opinion piece she wrote for the Orange County Register. She's scheduled to make a formal announcement later in the day. The 55-year-old Fiorina was economic adviser to John McCain's failed presidential bid last year.

Before she challenges Boxer, Fiorina must win a Republican primary against a conservative state lawmaker who has worked feverishly over the past year to court GOP voters. She says her priorities would be creating jobs, cutting government spending and expanding access to health care—but not through a national health care system. If Fiorina dips into her personal millions to fund the campaign, "this could be the most expensive Boxer campaign yet," a spokeswoman says.

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Senate Environment and Public Works Committee Chair Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif. (AP Photo)

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If [Boxer] is planning to run for re-election free of scrutiny of her failed record, her inability to lead and track record of bitter and ineffective partisanship, she'll be sorely disappointed. - Julie Soderlund, Fiorina spokeswoman

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 4, 09 10:09 AM CST

Her Campaign motto: I'll run the government like the business I couldn't run! Reply

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hybrid
Nov 4, 09 10:24 AM CST

she had a good run at HP, she is the one that brought compaq into the fold, endured the pressure that the tech bubble brought etc. Just sayin it wasnt all bad.

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 4, 09 11:37 AM CST

Outside judgments on Fiorina's tenure at HP are mixed at best. In 2008, Infoworld grouped her with a list of products and ideas as flops, declaring her to be the "anti-Steve Jobs" as a destroyer of the goodwill of American engineers and as one who alienated existing customers. In 2008, Loren Steffy of the New York Times suggested that the EDS acquisition well after Fiorina's tenure was evidence that her actions as CEO were justified. In April 2009, the business magazine web site Condé Nast Portfolio listed Fiorina as one of the "The 20 Worst American CEOs of all time," characterizing the HP-Compaq merger as widely regarded as a failure, and citing the halving of HP's stock value under Fiorina's tenure...

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hybrid
Nov 4, 09 12:23 PM CST

mixed indeed, but the stock price was bubbled in the tech boom to 75, when she started in 99 the price was 25 per share and when she left it was 25 after being as low as 11 after the bubble burst. Please tell me when you use wiki next time and i will know to do my own research eg Thomson rueters. Did you notice she also spun of lucent tech very sucessfuly i might add. Some of the bad press came out when she worked for john mcain, and why was that i wonder.

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shonangreg
Nov 4, 09 6:51 PM CST

Great follow-up, Dr. Z. If Fiorina were to begin campaigning for anything like a Senate seat, her past would be examined again and she would be forced to quit. She is toxic, and I don't see how any one could take her as a serious candidate.

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 4, 09 8:18 PM CST

The new template for the GOP is to find wealthy people with high profiles. They can't raise enough cash from grass roots sources so they have to find rich people to self fund their campaigns. There are no restrictions on how much cash someone can put in their own campaign.

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timeandagain
Nov 4, 09 10:13 AM CST

California will finally be rid of that stupid, worthless little troll Boxer. Change is a comin'! Reply

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doingtherightthing
Nov 4, 09 11:03 AM CST

What you saw on the 3rd is just the beginning of the trolls demise. Who's next? Boxer and Reid will be tossed out in the west next year. Like I said; its "not" going to be a good year for the leftwing trolls in 2010.......

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 4, 09 11:32 AM CST

You mean like your predictions in NY-23?

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ronimaca
Nov 4, 09 1:22 PM CST

what I saw on the 3rd was NY 23rd voting the first DEM in 150 years and Beck, Palin and Limpballs fall on their empty heads

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shonangreg
Nov 4, 09 6:54 PM CST

Rightthing, you *still* haven't used a dictionary to look up "troll"? You and Dontlike are both kids here arguing with adults. There is no shame in that, if you'd just stop pretending . . . but if you don't change your approach, you're going to be dumb forever.

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 4, 09 10:14 AM CST

Another attempt at corporate dominance of the government. This change ain't a'comin'. Reply

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hybrid
Nov 4, 09 10:26 AM CST

so you have to fail at buisness to be a public servant? just give me alittle more on your comment, curious

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Fondue
Nov 4, 09 10:50 AM CST

Zaius was the one that said she couldn't run HP. Why are you asking Face?

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hybrid
Nov 4, 09 11:02 AM CST

@fondue Well if he thinks that her running is an attempt to infultrate the goverment to impose world dominace with her ties to computermakers, then tell me what qualifys you to run for public office? Must you have no ties to any corp, or do you have to be a lawyer that worked pro-bono, What is his/her's idea of a perspective canidate

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 4, 09 11:08 AM CST

Do you have to fail at business to give labor its due? All over the world corporations are denying the part labor plays in making them successful. The answer to every business problem is to reduce worker numbers, or pay, or benefits. One way they do it is getting themselves elected to pass anti-labor legislation. Ask the people at Florida Power and Light who worked 20 years for their retirement just to have it snatched away by Michael Broadhead. There was no economic downturn, he just did it because he could, and he could because a corporate owned government made it legal. It's a constant battle and I'm working to make America a little less business friendly, and a little more family friendly. Anyway, now you know.

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northeast
Nov 4, 09 11:09 AM CST

...which is radically different from the attorney-dominated government we currently have?

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 4, 09 11:25 AM CST

No one has more politicians or attorneys in their pockets than American corporations. American families don't stand a chance.

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hybrid
Nov 4, 09 11:39 AM CST

just keep biting the hands that feed you! I live in the midwest so i have seen first hand the way the unions distroy companies like cancer. Strong buisness strong eco stonger middle class, True reg has to be enforced and taking pensions away is shitty but workers wanted to continue that pension instead of 401k ing. Yes injustice happens every day but so do the good things, Thats the beauty of capitalism in a demacracy, anything is possible. What you call anti labor i call bring cost in line, Does it make sence to you that a gm worker slapping washers on screw that goes to a dashboard rivet deserves 65,000 and benifits including 401k free legal councel, pension, visoin, dental, health,plus 6 weeks paid vacation, not to mention sick days etc. Uneducated workers making that is what ended gm and almost broke ford. You justify that and your little labor movement gets my vote.

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 4, 09 11:47 AM CST

Sorry things aren't going your way these days. I can imagine a person willing to sell his soul to ensure corporate welfare is not happy with the current situation in Washington. I don't believe bad unions means good corporations. I do believe that without unions every worker in America would be making $2 an hour.

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hybrid
Nov 4, 09 12:29 PM CST

You know thats part of the problem, the balance of power is off, unions must be put in check, 2$ an hour,,,,,your funny but twisted. Just from reading your post i am starting to believe that you think gov is more trust worthy than a company, least a company will look you in the eye when they have to bend you over.

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 4, 09 12:44 PM CST

I can change the government with a vote if I don't like it. Did you notice what happened last November? You can't do a damn thing to change a corporation except regulate it, and that takes a government that doesn;t belong to the corporation. If you had your way every square inch of America would now be a superfund site.

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 4, 09 12:58 PM CST

I am so sick of union bashing. GM and Toyota have very similar pay packages for their workers (or at least they did before the BK of GM busted the union) but the CEO of GM makes 17 million US$ and the CEO of Toyota makes 1 million US$. And all the GM execs make huge salaries and for what? Ruining a iconic US company? Please. Look no farther than the execs of these companies if you want to know who ruined them.

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hybrid
Nov 4, 09 1:04 PM CST

oh i noticed what happened in nov.....nothing, you thought you were getting change but you forgot to check your source, All of obamas inner ciricle are seasoned vets of washington, all of them, not to mention he hasnt and wont change anything. Your living in a dream world controled by unions and corprate america and frankly i have never done better. If you sleep better at night thinking your vote got you what you wanted then fine sleep well, the rest of us still realize that reality is not going to change. If you ran a company and you knew you had to cut workers and get more eff to stay profitable guess what YOU would cut those jobs in a heartbeat. In the end your union bosses and rep think that same way, eg. uaw. Obama just handed them over a stake in a company now when it comes time for contracts witch side will the head of the union be on? the union or the share holders he has a responsiblity to.....Wake up you have to understand the problems in this.

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 4, 09 1:18 PM CST

Wow, my irony alert just went off. Perhaps you should reexamine the bogeymen driving your paranoid fantasy. I think you will find the it's the large multi-national corporation that you have more to fear from than a group of collective workers who just want a litte better life than they had before.

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hybrid
Nov 4, 09 1:26 PM CST

union bashing, Associated Press reported: "The three automakers lost $15 billion last year. Chrysler pays an average $75.86 an hour in wages, pension and health care benefits, GM pays $73.26 and Ford pays $70.51. Toyota pays U.S. workers about $48, U.S. automakers say." GM provided a media handbook in July 2007 that stated: "The total of both cash compensation and benefits provided to GM hourly workers in 2006 amounted to approximately $73.26 per active hour worked." From the GM handbook section about "GM Wages":

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hybrid
Nov 4, 09 1:31 PM CST

the worker that just wants a better life? Unions offered this at the price of thier jobs, and please dont lecture me on unions. Most of my imediate family are in unions and i can atest first hand what they are like. Do you know anyone that worked in production for gm or ford, if you did then you would not be having this conversation

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hybrid
Nov 4, 09 1:33 PM CST

irony alert! how about workers party alert and i think you know what i mean

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hybrid
Nov 4, 09 2:00 PM CST

an updated for the comment above regarding wages. At time of gm default the workers pay was closer to $59 and hour with the ajustment being the subtraction of retired workers health care.

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 4, 09 2:42 PM CST

Your rant falls flat. It just doesn't convince me. And I will lecture you on unions if I choose. Your boss mentality kicking in cuts no ice here. I'm glad you're doing so fine, but I wonder at the anger in someone doing so fine.

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 4, 09 3:22 PM CST

The 75 $ figure is bullshit. It includes pension benefits that employees PAID INTO FOR YEARS. It also includes health care benefits for retirees that employees PAID INTO FOR YEARS. It's bullshit.

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 4, 09 3:24 PM CST

I have an intimate knowlege of what GM employees used to make. 85k a year was possible but only with about 20 hours of OT per check. So if the guy worked 60 hours a week he could make 85k. GM and Ford loved the OT. Chrysler not so much. you almost never saw OT on a chrysler paystub.

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hybrid
Nov 4, 09 4:00 PM CST

its not anger rnc but it is frustration! i want every one to have the chances i have been given,

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hybrid
Nov 4, 09 4:09 PM CST

DR>Z please look above to my comment that addresses the "$70" issue. And i said 65k not 85k DR. please get that right. And lastly, the $75 number does include the health care for retirees BUT not pension pay outs you are way off there. I doubt you have any inside knowlege of the working of MLTGM5.

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hybrid
Nov 4, 09 4:13 PM CST

40 hours at 28.50per hour as an assembler = 60,000 a year, A job that takes no skill to do.

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hybrid
Nov 4, 09 4:16 PM CST

OH forgot one, health care benefits for retirees that employees PAID INTO FOR YEARS. It's bullshit. Retirees did not pay ahead of time for thier healthcare, My grandfather ran crane for 30 years and never paid into a fund that pays his healthcare now.

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 4, 09 4:26 PM CST

Lo-bred, you're frustration is noted. Corporations need reining in; unions help families raise strong children. OK, I got it.

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 4, 09 8:16 PM CST

Wrong as usual Hybrid. "...the union's hourly pay rates, minus retiree benefit costs, are nearly in line with those of non-American auto makers building cars in the U.S." and "UAW workers make about $55 per hour in wages and benefits, compared to $46 at plants operated by Asian auto makers, according to Barclays Capital." The difference is the retired autoworkers benefits. The reason the Asian auto companies don't have this expense is because they have no American Retirees. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123388066021554821.html?mod=rss_whats_news_us Oh and now, a GM employee starts at 15 buck an hour. Try to raise a family on that.

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hybrid
Nov 5, 09 7:43 AM CST

dont have kids jackass. You cant afford it dont do it. I do have a souce for my numbers above ($59) and i will have to look it up agian. Isnt it the union that got those high legacy cost put in, agian the union promoted laziness and cost the company way to much in labor for what the jobs were.

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RobN
Nov 4, 09 11:04 AM CST

She'd have a real shot against Boxer. Boxer doesn't have the respect and affection from voters that Diane Feinstein does. If you asked a 1000 voters to name one thing that Boxer has accomplished, there wouldn't be many who could come up with anything at all. Reply

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ronimaca
Nov 4, 09 1:17 PM CST

go for it bitch barbie will kick your ass Reply

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