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House Passes Landmark Health Care Reform

Measure passes 220-215, with only one Republican in favor

Posted Nov 7, 09 10:24 PM CST|

(AP) – The House narrowly passed landmark health care legislation tonight to expand coverage to tens of millions who lack it and place tough new restrictions on the insurance industry. The measure passed 220-215 with only one Republican—Louisiana's Joseph Cao—in favor and 39 Democrats opposed. "Oh, what a night," said a triumphant Nancy Pelosi. The vote clears the way for the Senate to begin debate on its own bill.

In the run-up to a final vote, conservatives from the two parties joined forces to impose tough new restrictions on abortion coverage. They prevailed on a roll call of 240-194, and the vote cleared the way for conservative Democrats to back the overall bill. The legislation would require most Americans to carry insurance and provide subsidies to those who can't afford it. Large companies would have to offer coverage to their employees. Its estimated cost is $1.1 trillion over 10 years.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi listens to Majority Whip James Clyburn, D-S.C., after meeting with President Obama. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

President Obama kisses House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., after walking out of the Cannon Caucus Room. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

The lights burn inside of the House of Representatives side of the U.S. Capitol late Saturday. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

House Minority Whip, Eric Cantor, R-Va., refers to a poster as he speaks on pending health care legislation Saturday. (AP Photo/Harry Hamburg)

Speaker Nancy Pelosi walks to the floor of the House of Representatives Saturday. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

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timeandagain
Nov 7, 09 10:26 PM CST

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Snarfeh
Nov 7, 09 10:28 PM CST

We know you like it like that....

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Phiom
Nov 7, 09 10:31 PM CST

http://media.fukung.net/images/17958/6d4b329e78d8031c32d8dab1edf67522.png

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geneparmesan
Nov 7, 09 10:34 PM CST

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!!

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Fondue
Nov 7, 09 10:34 PM CST

What's the image.

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Phiom
Nov 7, 09 10:38 PM CST

@Fondue - the image is: This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. Alter that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the food and drug administration. At the appropriate time as regulated by the US congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender issed by the federal reserve bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school. Alter work, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and tire marshaI’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it's valuables thanks to the local police department. I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defense advanced research projects administration and post on freerepubIic.com and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right.

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Mia
Nov 7, 09 10:38 PM CST

Slap him while you hit him from behind snarfeh!

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ClearSight
Nov 7, 09 11:03 PM CST

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geneparmesan
Nov 7, 09 11:13 PM CST

you know, if you have to mention you are being sarcastic, it really lessens it. I thought all caps and extra exclamations was clear enough...

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KennyBoy
Nov 8, 09 12:05 AM CST

I got ya gene, my reaction was "how true and no amount of health care is gonna change that."

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Doctor_Zaius
Nov 8, 09 12:32 AM CST

Funny, I'm sure you would have been happy if George Bush was successful in his attempts to privatize social security in spite of the fact that it would have proven to be a disaster with the stock market tanking.

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freethemall
Nov 8, 09 12:36 AM CST

Thanks for sharing, Phiom. Great stuff!

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asapin
Nov 8, 09 12:50 AM CST

@Phlom - fantastic

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Ucantusethatname
Nov 8, 09 2:20 AM CST

Both hands are gloved. And Obamessiah wants additional opinions.

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shonangreg
Nov 8, 09 5:49 AM CST

Thanks for the link, and the subsequent text, Phiom. But please don't post links without giving a clue as to what they're about. A simple characterization will work. Thank you.

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cedarkey
Nov 8, 09 6:26 AM CST

I salute the dems who voted against this garbage.

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Hip
Nov 8, 09 7:03 AM CST

Now that's an awesome post, Phiom. Loaded with facts and a shitload of common sense! Perfect!

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Mia
Nov 8, 09 8:53 AM CST

Phiom is yummy.

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 8, 09 11:33 AM CST

The point of the republicans is to maintain coporate power, and corporate screwing of working people and poor people in America. Those days are numbered.

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Phiom
Nov 8, 09 12:51 PM CST

@shonangreg & all other newsers - I apologize for my first post only being a link. I realized it was inappropriate shortly after I submitted it. Alas, no delete function... Thank you for your understanding nonetheless.

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Phiom
Nov 8, 09 1:17 PM CST

@ROBR I agree with you in that our governmental system is largely inefficient, however I see many people assert that it is also largely incompetent, which is simply not the case. Yes, there is rampant waste and fraud and I also agree that the process of this legislation has been rather scatterbrained. All I wanted to point out is the sheer number of public services that people do benefit from, yet take for granted. They may not be perfect, but it doesn't mean "the government can't do anything right".

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Snarfeh
Nov 9, 09 12:55 AM CST

@mia - Ha!!! But...problem is, he would like it too much and want to be my permanent bitch...

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LovinLife
Nov 7, 09 10:27 PM CST

Congratulations, Mr. President...it's a Bill! Reply

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Fondue
Nov 7, 09 10:35 PM CST

Yes! Congratulations.

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Ucantusethatname
Nov 8, 09 2:22 AM CST

No, it's bullshit.

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 8, 09 11:34 AM CST

Can't, you just keep thinking that way. It won't change the truth.

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 8, 09 1:57 PM CST

The cost is already mandatory, it's incorporated into what we spend to help pay for those who don't pay or can't pay. This reform will take away a big part of the corporate 'off the top' profit that we are also paying. There is good reason to feel great about this bill, unless you favor the current system where corporations get 35% profit, and multi-year tax breaks, and anti-trust protection so they don't have to compete. Only an insurance company or a mental defective can favor the current bill.

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timeandagain
Nov 7, 09 10:33 PM CST

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Fondue
Nov 7, 09 10:35 PM CST

Too bad you were not.

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Shannonals
Nov 8, 09 1:20 AM CST

And here I thought you were a conservative timeandagain, but now I see your advocating abortion. What a shame the GOP has sunk so low.

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timeandagain
Nov 8, 09 8:59 AM CST

FYI - I am 100% in support of abortion rights. I just don't like stupid liberals growing a huge federal government...

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Fondue
Nov 8, 09 9:34 AM CST

Then tell them to stop growing and socializing the MIC.

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Shannonals
Nov 8, 09 10:04 AM CST

So, if I undertsand you correctly you not only don't agree in a growing Federal government, (although how would you be complaining if this all occurred under the GOP in the Oval Office), yet you support abortion rights. My mistake, I thought you were a conservative

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 8, 09 11:39 AM CST

Time just likes it when stupid republicans grow the government. The only reason this government growth is needed is because the corporations can't be trusted to play nice. If republicans and their corporate masters want less government, it's completely up to them. Just stop polluting, bribing, conspiring, cheating, lying, and screwing your customers.

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Shannonals
Nov 7, 09 10:35 PM CST

It's not an official bill until it has the blessing of Congress Reply

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George_Taylor
Nov 7, 09 10:41 PM CST

that was the blessings of congress. it needs senate.

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Count-Spatula
Nov 7, 09 10:50 PM CST

Congress is both houses George.

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George_Taylor
Nov 7, 09 11:06 PM CST

oh crud, right on.

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freethemall
Nov 8, 09 12:48 AM CST

I bet that was the first, and will be the last, time you ever misspoke, uh George?

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George_Taylor
Nov 8, 09 5:34 AM CST

oh, definitely not last.

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Enoughie
Nov 7, 09 10:38 PM CST

I hope one of the provisions in this bill is to not show photos of Nanci Pelosi over 200x200 pixels... it has a very negative effect on the health of most of the population Reply

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Fondue
Nov 7, 09 10:45 PM CST

As do most of the mugs in the House and Senate. And by "most" I mean damn near all.

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Count-Spatula
Nov 7, 09 10:49 PM CST

Yes because it's every woman's job to fulfill your hypervigilant mastrubation fatnsies.

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foodchain11
Nov 8, 09 5:30 AM CST

Stupid! Old men aren't so hot either. She's a person doing her job, like it or not.

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timeandagain
Nov 7, 09 10:42 PM CST

Is Waxman more of a little troll than Pelosi? Wow! Reply

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Fondue
Nov 7, 09 10:46 PM CST

That's importaint.

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Count-Spatula
Nov 7, 09 10:48 PM CST

Suck conservatards. YOU ruined the nation, now shut up and back off. Reply

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ClearSight
Nov 7, 09 11:04 PM CST

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Fondue
Nov 7, 09 11:11 PM CST

At least it wouldn't be a moran like you.

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Reader64481089
Nov 7, 09 11:52 PM CST

@ Clearfright, remember back a few months ago when I told you to hide and watch and you stated it would NEVER happen? Guess you were as wrong as when you elected the megalomaniac to the White House, matter of fact anything you say can be counted on as a failure including your constant whining like a little girl that the nation is ruined. Go put on your white robe and burn a cross, that always makes cowards like you happy

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WallyEFunk
Nov 8, 09 1:47 AM CST

I like he omits that conservatards ruined the Nation" finish the job of destroying this nation" I don't think it will happen.but at least he knows who was to blame.

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shonangreg
Nov 8, 09 6:08 AM CST

It's funny how the tea baggers have nothing of substance to say on these issues. Everything is innuendo, gross exaggeration, totally missing the point, clueless, or lies. ............................ And the conversation on newser is quite ridicuous because of it. We are like a magnet to tea bag retards because they can spout the bile and engage people in a seeming discussion (my apologies to people with developmental disabilities, real teabaggers, and true conservatives, thought he tea baggers should be the ones apologizing for stealing your party ;-) .............................. Where have all the reasonable conservatives gone? Is there no substance of conservatism left to defend? True criticism of the Democrats social plans are being totally lost in the noise of FOX and its tea bagging rabble.

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vwright1
Nov 8, 09 9:30 AM CST

Clearsite notes that this nation has been in the act of being destroyed, hence, finish the job. I'd say that was the last 8 years! Time to re-adjust, and start moving forward again instead of backward! Go Pelosi!

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Adapt-Overcome
Nov 7, 09 11:00 PM CST

FINALLY!!!! Reply

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Reader62719514
Nov 7, 09 11:02 PM CST

Welcome to the United Socialists of America. Reply

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geneparmesan
Nov 7, 09 11:05 PM CST

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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cornelison
Nov 8, 09 2:43 AM CST

Sorry, geneparmesan, you're just gonna have to live.

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drlarrymitchell
Nov 7, 09 11:11 PM CST

It's about fucking time. Reply

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jfcd
Nov 7, 09 11:18 PM CST

:) Reply

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ronimaca
Nov 7, 09 11:21 PM CST

this is wonderful now senators it is in your hands. Kick ass get it done. Reply

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QueenAlli
Nov 7, 09 11:25 PM CST

From A Congressman (D): ---------- "It must be considered that there is nothing more difficult to carry out, nor more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a new order of things. "For the reformer has enemies in all those who profit by the old order, and only lukewarm defenders in all those who would profit by the new order, this lukewarmness arising partly from fear of their adversaries, who have the laws in their favor; and partly from the incredulity of mankind, who do not truly believe in anything new until they have had actual experience of it. "Thus it arises that on every opportunity for attacking the reformer, his opponents do so with the zeal of partisans, the others only defend him half-heartedly, so that between them he runs great danger." Reply

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Phiom
Nov 8, 09 1:22 PM CST

A very insightful quote. Thank you for sharing this, QueenAlli.

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Jayster999
Nov 7, 09 11:31 PM CST

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KennyBoy
Nov 8, 09 12:10 AM CST

I can feel myself getting poorer and less free already!

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mehrheit
Nov 8, 09 12:11 AM CST

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

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kirei_gaisuto
Nov 8, 09 1:14 AM CST

Well, future generations will appreciate it when they're diagnosed with real cancer and they don't have to worry about affording lifesaving treatment. Too bad the world can't be as enlightened as you and think that health care is a privilege and not a right.

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NewserScooter
Nov 8, 09 2:34 AM CST

If healthcare is a right, is life a right? When does that right begin? Where in the constitution is any authority for the congress to proceed with this?

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cornelison
Nov 8, 09 2:54 AM CST

It's going to save the what's left of the middle class. Health care reform is directly linked to the faltering economy. Did you ever why those companies didn't suffer through the recession?

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Fondue
Nov 8, 09 9:57 AM CST

NewserScooter, Article I Section I

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 8, 09 11:44 AM CST

Corny, no point in asking Jay 'did you ever think.'

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kirei_gaisuto
Nov 8, 09 12:23 PM CST

@NewserScooter: Uh, yeah, life is a right. You have the right to live.

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geneparmesan
Nov 7, 09 11:39 PM CST

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply

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Jayster999
Nov 8, 09 12:03 AM CST

Well, yeah, eventually. In the meantime, further impoverishing ourselves is going to suck.

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Jayster999
Nov 8, 09 12:07 AM CST

http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/ Reply

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jfcd
Nov 8, 09 12:15 AM CST

seriously? You are one of the reasons of why America can't take steps in the right direction

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Jayster999
Nov 8, 09 12:22 AM CST

Taking steps in the RIGHT direction would be a welcome relief.

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jfcd
Nov 8, 09 12:26 AM CST

also, you can thumb me down all you want, that doesnt change the facts, you and all your conservatards fellows are pathetic, retrograds and a shame to America

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Jayster999
Nov 8, 09 1:18 AM CST

If it weren't for us, you would be living under a dictatorship already.

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Shannonals
Nov 8, 09 1:21 AM CST

I think we had eight years in the, "Right", direction already Jayster, hence why our economy is the way it is now.

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Jayster999
Nov 8, 09 1:27 AM CST

Shanno: Why don't you get the fact that Bush was a neo-con, which is nothing like a true conservative? Conservatives don't like corporate OR social welfare OR expanded government. Get your facts right.

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Shannonals
Nov 8, 09 1:33 AM CST

I said, "Right", not Conservative, perhaps you should read more carefully versus making snap judgements and than htumbing a person down.

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Jayster999
Nov 8, 09 1:40 AM CST

You're arguing semantics. It boils down to this: Government is the problem, not the solution.

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Shannonals
Nov 8, 09 1:48 AM CST

How is it semantics? So you would advise no government whatsoever. Name one country the size of th US that operates without a government. A country without a government would have to operate under it's social states, but you against socialism, so what are you saying?

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foodchain11
Nov 8, 09 5:32 AM CST

put Cheney behind bars; humiliate Bush for total incompetance. Call to truth!!

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Reader64481089
Nov 8, 09 5:38 AM CST

@ Jay, we did live under a dictatorship. His name was George Walker Bush, you know the guys who photo is over your bed and you masturbate each night as you look at???

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shonangreg
Nov 8, 09 6:13 AM CST

Shannonals, I don't think you're going to get an answer to that one. It has been asked here in varying forms, and the "conservatives" all run away when it comes up.

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Caps
Nov 8, 09 6:43 AM CST

Shannolons, You can't argue with a stupid person like Jaynut, he thinks he has got all the answers, he has got all the wrong answers when he thinks his almighty GWB didn't get us into the mess this country is in now.

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thejoint00
Nov 8, 09 12:58 PM CST

@Shannonals thanks for noticing the unemployment trends for the past year and out look of the future employment rates.

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jfcd
Nov 8, 09 12:07 AM CST

just watched huckabee and chuck norris on fox news, breaking tables saying health care bill, can't they be any more pathetic? I think ill now change it to cnn and watch some real and balanced news now..... Reply

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Cat-Lover
Nov 8, 09 12:08 AM CST

Thank God! Now with a little more luck the senate will pass a similar version and everything we've been fighting for will be in the final compromise bill, passing both houses. I just hope it does include the public option and an abortion clause that prohibits abortion except when requested by a pregnant woman. Reply

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lolpie
Nov 8, 09 12:17 AM CST

I'm being totally honest here, but why is there so much controversy over this bill? From what I can tell it gives free healthcare while raising taxes a bit, so I'm not seeing what the big deal is. Reply

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Jayster999
Nov 8, 09 12:20 AM CST

Free? For who? The 20 million illegals who are leeching on us?

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Jojo
Nov 8, 09 12:30 AM CST

The big deal is, it gives Republicans something to yell about.

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Shannonals
Nov 8, 09 1:23 AM CST

Whine about illegals if you will Jayster, but even the founding Fathers were illegals at one point and time

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Jayster999
Nov 8, 09 1:36 AM CST

Illegal? There was no governing body in place. BTW: Their philosophy of limited government and self-determination created the free and prosperous country that you're now tearing apart. Congratulations.

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lolpie
Nov 8, 09 1:50 AM CST

1) Pass the health care bill and the marijuana legalization bill. 2) Use the pot profits to pay for some of the healthcare costs 3) ??? 4) Profit

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Shannonals
Nov 8, 09 1:55 AM CST

No governing body in whose opinion? If you go into a land occupied by others your an illegal, it doesn't matter of your opinion of what a government is doesn't match their own.

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shonangreg
Nov 8, 09 6:20 AM CST

Arana67, I think the big deal is that the Right has been told over the years that we are moving toward a functioning society that is less and less socialized. Now, we are obviously moving in the pposite direction -- toward more. The people screaming now just can't stand to lose. They are the cry babies and bullies you went to elementary school with. That is also when they stopped studying. Now they just follow "what they know is right" and they will fight tooth and nail to presevre the illusion that has been foisted upon them by the ultra-rich who think they don't need the police, water department, or anything else. They got theirs. Fuck everyone else.

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thephat
Nov 8, 09 9:06 AM CST

Jayster, I like the small government talk. I think a small government would give these immigrants amnesty.

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Jayster999
Nov 8, 09 12:19 AM CST

Seriously, if you people like socialism so damned much, why don't you just move to Cuba or Venezuela instead of ruining America? Reply

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jfcd
Nov 8, 09 12:31 AM CST

wow, are you seriously comparing America to Venezuela?, get your facts straight, get yourself educated, analyze all points of view and then you will be taken seriously

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WallyEFunk
Nov 8, 09 2:03 AM CST

Or you could move to Canada, England,France .etc etc etc. But why? There just like the US ,but we have a national health care. Un Christian , un educated PPL like Jayster might think of moving to Domic Republic, lots of free enterprise there ,very little government , roads etc..,no money, no health care,food, etc. It's easier for you to move to a third world Jay666 and have real freedom, or back just under your rock.

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Mia
Nov 8, 09 9:00 AM CST

America is already a socialist country. Did you not read the first part of these comments?

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 8, 09 12:39 PM CST

America is ruined by coporate power that corrupts the government, forces us into woars for profits, screws us blind until we haven't got another penny to pay, cuts our jobs, our pay and out benefits. That's what ruins America. Also our ruin is helped when a rogue administration drops bombs on people who haven't hurt us, and tortures people, both in violation of international law. A helping hand to end the corporate screwing we're getting over healthcare will ruin only the obscene profits of the healthcare insurance industry. Next up, down with the obscene profits and pollution of the energy industry!

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Jojo
Nov 8, 09 12:28 AM CST

It's funny how we can find 4 trillion dollars to fight a useless war, but when confronted with the dilemma of finding a trillion to take care of our own citizens, we get "Obama is stupid" "Obama will destroy the economy" "Obama is making us socialist". Grow a brain idiots. Reply

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jfcd
Nov 8, 09 12:32 AM CST

completely agreed, jojo

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Jayster999
Nov 8, 09 12:57 AM CST

You're correct that our government (and corporations) should not be sponsoring "useless wars." We also shouldn't be threatening people who don't want health insurance with jail or fines. Obama is not stupid but he WILL further damage the economy and further entrench us in socialism.

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Shannonals
Nov 8, 09 1:24 AM CST

If you think anyone will be jailed or fine because they don't have health care your judgement is flawed Jayster. It's a fine to remove mattress tags, yet when have you ever heard of anyone going to jail over it?

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kirei_gaisuto
Nov 8, 09 1:25 AM CST

Um, who doesn't want health insurance? It's the only way you can get any kind of care. Maybe in your world, people prefer to suffer and die alone in their homes, but in the one that actually exists they like to get treatment.

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Jayster999
Nov 8, 09 1:31 AM CST

Young, healthy people often CHOSE not to carry insurance because they didn't need it. I'm nearly 50 and have never stayed in a hospital or even had a serious medical condition. I began carrying insurance after I became a dad.

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Shannonals
Nov 8, 09 1:44 AM CST

Your absolutely correct, most young people don't have insurance, mainly because they are still on their parents health plan. Not sure I would agree that they don't need it. It's all fine and dandy to save money each month from not having it until your in an accident or an illness occurs, leaving them to wonder how they will pay for everything.

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kirei_gaisuto
Nov 8, 09 1:48 AM CST

I am young and reasonably healthy. I lost my health insurance when I got married. The prospect of not having health care when I need it terrifies me. If I have an accident, get sick, need surgery, etc., what am I supposed to do? I'm terrified to go to the doctor at all because if I'm diagnosed with some trivial condition I might not ever be able to get health insurance again. Health insurance is exactly that. It's supposed to be there when you need it to insure that you get treatment. So again, tell me why you wouldn't want it.

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kirei_gaisuto
Nov 8, 09 1:54 AM CST

Adding to that, you know what terrifies me even more than getting sick? Getting pregnant. I'm of prime child bearing age, but it's almost impossible for me to get maternity insurance right now. How will I pay for things if I get pregnant? Shannonals is right. Most young people don't have insurance because a)their parents pay it or b)they can't afford it themselves.

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NewserScooter
Nov 8, 09 2:38 AM CST

Shannonais, Tax evasion is a crime frequently used to prosecute and jail people. Why do you think the gov't would not do so here? Any example. BTW the Mattress tag law says that the tag can only be removed by the consumer. IT is NOT illegal to remove the tag on your own furniture, which is prob. why you have not heard of any one put in jail for it.

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Hip
Nov 8, 09 7:29 AM CST

Jayster...you are way too comfortable thinking that you're safe because you have insurance. That little insurance company that you gladly pay into every paycheck is there very one who will try its best to screw you out of any coverage the second you need it.

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Hip
Nov 8, 09 8:13 AM CST

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thejoint00
Nov 8, 09 1:07 PM CST

@shannonals- your just because it is a law, doesn't mean you have to follow it attitude is flawed. millions of people are on the highway speeding every day , yet few of them get tickets and the cops keep giving them out at a rate that they can't keep up with the people that are breaking the law. it's just a matter of time before you get yours. try enrolling your kid in school without a shot record; it won't happen. With this bill taking place enrolling your kid without insurance would be a red flag that mom and dad are criminals who aren't obeying the law.

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JoeQ
Nov 8, 09 12:59 AM CST

I'm still pessimistic. I think our government has grown so corrupt it cannot stand much longer, and that they have twisted this bill until it is nothing but a chance to steal money from the middle class. I do hope I'm wrong ... Reply

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Jayster999
Nov 8, 09 1:05 AM CST

Wow. I think that's about the most intelligent and lucid thing you're ever posted on Newser. I'm officially shocked and awed. Our government is corrupt and out of control on so many levels, and our answer to to five them more control? Insanity.

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Jayster999
Nov 8, 09 1:08 AM CST

*give*

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Shannonals
Nov 8, 09 1:27 AM CST

Your very logic is flawed by your own admission Jayster. Neither Republicans/Democrats/Conservative are the answer because as soon as they hit the streets of DC they turn corrupt. Tired of hearing how Conservatives can save the country, they are human just like everyone else, yet alli see on newsers is everyone praising them like the Savior come to save us all.

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Jayster999
Nov 8, 09 1:28 AM CST

We haven't had a conservative in the White House in many years.

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Shannonals
Nov 8, 09 1:31 AM CST

And if a Conservative was in office right this minute you still wouldn't have any guarantee they would be any different than a Democrat/Republican. Campaign promises and good intentions mean nothing onec your in the oval offiec and actually have to make the big calls.

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thejoint00
Nov 8, 09 1:09 PM CST

"I hope I'm wrong" there it is my friend. Obama has given everyone a reason to Hope for something to Change

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Galileo
Nov 8, 09 1:03 AM CST

Please keep using the greatest buzzword of all: 'socialism'. So scary. Let's do away with public schools and libraries. Those socialist institutions are just was Chavez wants! Reply

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Jayster999
Nov 8, 09 1:07 AM CST

You're an idiot. Do the rest of us a favor and go take a bath with a plugged in toaster.

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Galileo
Nov 8, 09 1:22 AM CST

Read: "I can't think of anything intelligent to say so I'll use name-calling instead." GG Jayster. Here's a tissue :)

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cornelison
Nov 8, 09 3:01 AM CST

Why don't you go live in the woods. See what it's like to have no electricity or running water. Get a "buzz" out of that.

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Vice
Nov 8, 09 1:09 AM CST

Halfway to heaven! But I'm sure some paranoid misinformed old geezers and/or people will malicious intentions will try to break the stairway as usual. The only reason some pharmaceutical corporations back this bill is because it will give them the chance to expand, more customers more business. This is the only reason I think this reform will work and save us,because people are already seeing how to make money out of this, and isn't that the American dream? Reply

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BlueAyez
Nov 8, 09 1:17 AM CST

Have any of you righties ever heard of democratic socialism? It's worked well for decades in Europe, Canada and the US. We've got programs and benefits equal to the benefits in those countries as Phiom was saying. From what I can see the main thing this bill does is throw a few regulations on insurance and extend to more people what's already being done in health care while shifting the burden from the states to the federal government. It's Medicare, Medicaid and Medically Indigent Services all rolled into one. Reply

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Galileo
Nov 8, 09 1:26 AM CST

They'd rather just hysterically scream "socialism!" than worry about thinking. I think if you set up a program that charged everyone $5/month for unlimited gas they'd cry socialism and refuse to use it.

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kirei_gaisuto
Nov 8, 09 1:35 AM CST

They've heard of it, they just don't care. This country would fall apart if the schools, libraries, police stations, fire houses, etc weren't socialized, but God forbid people get affordable health care. They just don't have that right.

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shonangreg
Nov 8, 09 6:30 AM CST

Galileo, the "$5/month for unlimited gas" analogy is flawed. Conservatives would rightly point out the waste (and corruption) that would be inherent in such a scheme. Health care is a near ideal candidate for being socialized because of the efficiencies involved in it. If you are healthy, no matter how greedy you are, you don't go to the doctor more and more. Maybe one day we can have a privatized health care system. But private industry has clearly shown that the health care market in America today, privatization is a for-profit disaster.

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Shannonals
Nov 8, 09 1:29 AM CST

Doesn't matter what party is in power, the losing party will always have something to complain about. Democrats complained when Regan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr were in office, and Republicans complained when Clinton was in office, and now Obama. If anyone thinks that anyone enters into politics to really help people they are in denial. Reply

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kirei_gaisuto
Nov 8, 09 1:40 AM CST

And that's why I don't belong to a party :)

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Jayster999
Nov 8, 09 1:43 AM CST

Right. So why do you want a larger, more corrupt government?

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Galileo
Nov 8, 09 2:03 AM CST

Yeah let's have anarchy dudes. Skateboarding and no parents! Woooo we'll stay up all night and eat doritos!

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cornelison
Nov 8, 09 3:07 AM CST

You can change that by demanding primaries in your district. You'll better your chances of getting rid of incumbents. You can also demand that your candidate take no money from insurance or pharmaceutical companies.

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Netstorm2k9
Nov 8, 09 2:02 AM CST

"The legislation would require most Americans to carry insurance" So now it'll be illegal to be alive unless you pay. You don't have to do anything, like drive a car, or commit a crime or use a service...... You just have to pay- even if you don't use the services. ........It will be illegal not to pay...........Think about that....... If you don't go to the doctor every month, you're losing money. If you're healthy- you pay for nothing. You pay for being healthy and it's illegal to say no. How is that free? Reply

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kirei_gaisuto
Nov 8, 09 2:22 AM CST

You never know when you'll stop being healthy.

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WallyEFunk
Nov 8, 09 3:01 AM CST

Your paying for when you have to go to the hospital when your 50 after a life of fast food and sitting on your ass talking about the good old days.when the first triple bypass is needed. and they can't say NO. your paying so your over weight child can get health care. your paying now so your kid can be tested for something you have as an adult, so give needed body parts for you to live, with out fear of them been turned down later. Your pay because Jesus said so. good enough. Please more thumbs down, without reply. I like it, there the they way I know you read post ,and I won the argument by default.

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Netstorm2k9
Nov 8, 09 3:17 AM CST

Do you notice how all of those things are hypothetical possibilities? Not certainties, but possibilities. I'm forced to pay because I MIGHT get sick and need more healthcare than an antibiotics prescription. I MIGHT have a disorder later on that needs treatment. I DO however, need that money on something more concrete than an imagined future scenario, because I KNOW my children need food and clothes and diapers, etc, right NOW.

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shonangreg
Nov 8, 09 6:44 AM CST

Netstorm2k9. There are some sacrifices we make to live in society. You follow traffic rules. You follow laws prohibiting theft and assault. Taxes are also something we have no choice on. You don't have to go to a public school, but we all have to pay to maintain the public school system. If we did not have some of these requirements, society would become anarchy, and 99% of us would lose out in the bargain. You seem to want the freedom that comes with society but not the responsibility needed to maintain that society. You're like a child telling his mom that he doesn't have to eat his vegetables and he only wants cake. This is the line of reasoning justifying what's going on. If you want some more validation, just look at how preposterous the arguments against health care reform are. Calls of Nazism, and Hitler, and Communism, and "death panels", . . . When you are on your game, you don't stammer and stutter and slobber your words like the tea baggers have been doing.

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WallyEFunk
Nov 8, 09 12:40 PM CST

@ netstorm so IF you every need health care . OR your kids.( saying you don't have any at a possible, sometime in your whole life, and near death)..You want other to pay for it ! Frigging Communist, you don't reach the socialist mark, with those thoughts... ROGLMAO

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Snarfeh
Nov 9, 09 1:09 AM CST

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but anyone who currently has health insurance is already paying for nothing until the *possibility* of it being needed arises...right? I thought that was the root of insurance....you pay for it and when you need it, they pay you back, so to speak. The problem is, they have been allowed to come up with ways to avoid paying us back for too long. The gluttony must stop.

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Ucantusethatname
Nov 8, 09 2:19 AM CST

The country has been screwed. Reply

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Jojo
Nov 8, 09 5:33 AM CST

Oh really? You just noticed that? What a shame you didn't notice that about 7 years ago when it began being "screwed".

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cornelison
Nov 8, 09 2:47 AM CST

If you don't want to be required to carry insurance why don't you wait & find out what the amount will be? Health reform is a process. You have the 2010 election season to make your demands known. If you don't like your incumbent then find other candidates to challenge them in PRIMARIES. Reply

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AClotfelter
Nov 8, 09 4:38 AM CST

No Public Option? Reply

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Jojo
Nov 8, 09 5:32 AM CST

The same type of person who feels the need to monitor comments on Newser and quickly click "thumbs down" on every opinion they don't agree with, namely anyone that is for medical coverage for all, is sadly the same mindset of most opposed. You don't like Obama so you will fight ANYTHING... just to fight. You don't give a damn if a plan will improve anyones life, will improve the country, will change the world, will repair the reputation the U.S. lost because of Bush the clown, you don't care about any of that. Just as long as no one interferes with your right to buy as many guns as you want. You suck at life. Reply

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Caps
Nov 8, 09 6:55 AM CST

Great comment, Jojo. All the Republicans in Washington sucks.

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longislandgirl
Nov 8, 09 7:05 AM CST

Any young person who would take the risk to not carry health insurance is gambling with the one life they are given. Who among us knows when good health is about to turn bad? This is definitely a move in the right direction; if we can find the money to finance wars, surely we can finance healthcare for our own people. Reply

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WallyEFunk
Nov 8, 09 10:16 AM CST

Unlike house or car insurance .They will use a doctor at some time in there lives,Why should they get free coverage.Why are some so against, forcing the free loaders to cover there own a$$ ?In Canada you are billed 54.00 for single or 96.00 per family.there is no interest.no loss of coverage.less with either temporary or permanent cost assistance, depending on circumstance.And optional private extended health care. You have the freedom to quit any job with out fear of loss of coverage. Can anyone say in the US say they don't think of that about there job? Even McJob pay the premiums and extended ,just so they keep employee's. I note on abortion issue, up here there covered unless the Doctor thinks your using it as a birth control. I always thought was good ,why would you want some one that can't afford to abort, having a child they couldn't afford to abort ? So adding to the social costs and maybe a poverty cycle?That doesn't make sense, but it was a rallying call to block universal coverage. Well America looks like you might have a start of a frame work. Time for all, to get behind it, Dem's and Repub's making sure it doesn't turn into the money grab without out any coverage.

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thejoint00
Nov 8, 09 1:17 PM CST

let them gamble. it's a free country. protect the right of people to fail. the money to finance wars is selling the nation to china. if we can sell half the nation to them surely someone else would like to buy the other half so that our people can have health insurance.

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BigLou
Nov 8, 09 5:16 PM CST

Liberals in just 50 years have brought America from the worlds largest lender nation to the worlds largest debter nation, at the same time high tax's have driven our job's overseas. It would be nice if there would be no penalty for the foolishness of Government programs that are paid for on borrowed money, however every cent of this Health care Bill is borrowed. A good portion of the Nations budget goes to just paying the Interest on our National debt, we have been accused of being heartless when we warn you of whats coming. It is now too late as the National debt has gone past the point to fix it, In the near future your grandchildren will be living in a Nation of utter poverty, and the lawmakers who did this to us will still be blaming the Conservatives.

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Ucantusethatname
Nov 8, 09 8:22 AM CST

Let's hear it for the Dummyrats. Reply

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blindguy
Nov 8, 09 8:30 AM CST

the money to fiance the health care comes from fines imposed on those that will not allow the government intrusion in to their lives.... we are screwed and socialism is taking a deeper role in this country.... I guess that is the change all the democrats wanted, because that is what they are getting with this bill... Happy now? that is change you can believe in! I still can find anything in the constitution that give the government the right to mandate health care.... can you? Reply

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Caps
Nov 8, 09 8:51 AM CST

You Republicans are so blind when it come to taxes. Where in hell would this country be if we didn't pay taxes? So let's hear it from you dummies, the Republican Party.

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thejoint00
Nov 8, 09 1:28 PM CST

@caps- yes I agree that taxes of a nation are nessacery and at times must be imposed. However, forcing the nation to pay for a commodity that doesn't actually exist is beyond reason. Health care cannot keep anyone from dieing. even if a person recovers from a disease (let's say cancer) the person has not cheated death; it has only been prolonged. A person who dies at 30 from a heart attack is the same amount of dead that a person who dies at 60 from a heart attack. No amount of health care is going to change that. it is not a responsibility of society to decide matters of nature with blanket legislations and fines.

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DeniseVB
Nov 8, 09 8:57 AM CST

Vote Democratic, it's easier than working ! Reply

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Shannonals
Nov 8, 09 9:56 AM CST

Quite odd you would make that statement, considering your state is in the top 10 welfare states DeniseVB

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kirei_gaisuto
Nov 8, 09 12:37 PM CST

DeniseVB, this won't work if people don't work. In fact most of the programs Dems want to institute would completely fail without taxpayers. So why is it that Repubs enjoy pointing out that Dems "don't work"? A good number of the people I know on welfare (at least the ones who have no reason to be) are conservative.

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Stupidiot
Nov 8, 09 11:30 AM CST

Socialism is so wonderful, the government can STEAL other peoples money, and give it to me because im a ignorant, lazy, peice of crap who can't get up and go to work and never will as long as i lkeep getting my free hand outs, We should never lower taxes and let people keep their own money and spend how they wish... NO I DEMAND MY HANDOUTS! Reply

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 8, 09 12:00 PM CST

I hope you and your hate will always be so happy together.

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WallyEFunk
Nov 8, 09 12:22 PM CST

Well live in poverty,and have no feeling of self worth , I would guess ? I feel sorry for PPL like that wouldn't you? LOL . I just read your name Stupidiot. ROGLMAO. fitting if you really want to live like that.

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kirei_gaisuto
Nov 8, 09 12:43 PM CST

Fuck you. You think everybody doing this wants a handout? My husband and I work our asses off every day to pay rent, utilities, and eat. We have to live with two other people just to afford those things. And despite that, we still can't afford health care because our jobs don't provide it. I'm asthmatic and need prescriptions. We can't afford to get pregnant because we can't afford maternity insurance, but we can barely afford birth control. So, am I a member of the "ignorant, lazy piece of crap" group you and your friends keep talking about?

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Derni
Nov 8, 09 11:42 AM CST

Now weh ave to listen to some republicans tell us how terrible it will be and how much money it will take etc-they never weigh the $$ when they send our men and women to fight a senseless and crass WAR! bring them home and use the money we spend daily on medical care and social security etc Reply

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thejoint00
Nov 8, 09 1:38 PM CST

the sensless and crass war is a result of a few thousand americans dieng in new york. I'm sure that you have similar thought about them that you do the war. this country doesn't go to war easily. it takes a unanimous vote, far more americans(including pelosi) were in favor of it 8 years ago than will admit it today. For that, I am very sad.

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Face-Of-RNC
Nov 8, 09 2:09 PM CST

joint you are wrong! The war over 9/11 deaths was over when the Taliban fell and Al Qaeda was pushed out of Afghanistan. What we have now is about corporate profits from no-bid contracts to Halliburton, Blackwater and KBR, and in Iraq it's about energy corporation profits by control of Iraqi oil. Wake up!

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Jayster999
Nov 8, 09 5:58 PM CST

Face: And you don't think democrats are complicit in any of this? Are you insane, stupid, high or blind? Gotta be one if not all of the above.

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AnnieOkie58
Nov 8, 09 11:50 AM CST

geneparmesan...no one lives forever..death is something we all have to face when our time comes...surely you knew that !! Reply

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KennyBoy
Nov 8, 09 3:38 PM CST

I disagree Annie, I'm planning on living forever. And dontcha' know, so far, so good!!

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BigLou
Nov 8, 09 4:31 PM CST

Because American voters have demonstrated that they are incapible of electing lawmakers that are wise enough to Govern us we are on the brink of Bankruptsy, so go ahead and sing Pelosi's praises and your Grandchildren will curse us for making America a third world nation. Reply

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TheInterested
Nov 8, 09 7:43 PM CST

You're grandchildren might curse you for being an angry person, a person of old and erroneous ideals that are remnants of a time when America was a dimmer, less educated nation. America's future will be decided in the classroom.

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