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Palestinians, Jews Clash at Holy Site

Civilians, police injured in Jerusalem confrontation

By Jason Farago| Posted Sep 28, 09 3:32 AM CDT|

(Newser) – Palestinian civilians and Israeli police were injured when Jews and Arabs clashed at a Jerusalem holy site yesterday. Palestinians praying at the site—which includes the Dome of the Rock and al-Aqsa mosques—pelted a Jewish group with rocks, leading police to respond with stun grenades, reports CNN. The Palestinians' chief negotiator blamed the Jews for a deliberate provocation. Nine years ago today, Ariel Sharon visited the site and set off some of the worst violence in years.

An Israeli border police officer prepares to fire a tear gas canister at Palestinian stone-throwers during clashes between Israeli police and Palestinians in Jerusalem's Old City yesterday. (AP Photo/Muhammed Muheisen)

Israeli police used stun grenades yesterday to disperse Palestinian rioters at a volatile Jerusalem site holy to Jews and Muslims. (AP Photo/Muhammed Muheisen)

Palestinian women chant slogans in front of the Dome of the Rock Mosque, in the Al Aqsa Mosque compound in Jerusalem's Old City yesterday. (AP Photo/Mahfouz Abu Turk)

Hamas supporters in Jabaliya in the northern Gaza Strip yesterday during a protest against Israel after the morning clashes at the Al Aqsa Mosque Compound in Jerusalem's Old City. (AP Photo/Khalil Hamra)

Clashes took place during a visit by a Jewish group to the compound in Jerusalem's Old City known to Jews as the Temple Mount and to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary. (AP Photo/Muhammed Muheisen)

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riffran
Sep 28, 09 3:38 AM CDT

dang jews..it was ONLY rocks.."Why oh why the brutal retalliation"...sarc Reply

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dontlikeyou
Sep 28, 09 7:02 AM CDT

History shows that it was a holy site to the Jews over 1000 years before Islam became a religion.

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armywife
Sep 28, 09 3:40 AM CDT

palestinians and jews fighting is not "news". news is a peace treaty between palestinians and jews. and look, palestinians can also multi-task - they can pray *and* pelt jews with stones at the same time. their god must be so proud. *rolls eyes* Reply

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proud_prude
Sep 28, 09 1:51 PM CDT

Haaretz provides the following: "Providing a police escort for settlers who are against peace at all costs, and whose presence is deliberately designed to provoke a reaction, are not the actions of someone who is committed to peace, but of someone who will go to extraordinary lengths to scuttle all hopes of peace," Erakat said. He said it was "deliberately timed to coincide with the eve of the anniversary of that visit" by a government "emboldened by its ability to fend off calls for a settlement freeze".

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armywife
Sep 28, 09 3:43 AM CDT

also, the palestinians blame the jews, huh? "they made us do it"? is that their defense then? that the jews were "just asking for it, dressed that way"? sigh. Reply

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riffran
Sep 28, 09 4:00 AM CDT

To be honest..I just can't see why those two clashing cultures cant seem to live together...they never have and probably never will...so sad really Reply

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Reader76693465
Sep 28, 09 5:41 AM CDT

Speaking of Ariel Sharon whatever happened to that terrorist? Reply

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dontlikeyou
Sep 28, 09 7:04 AM CDT

One sorry man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Ariel Sharon is a great man and he still lives.

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WallyEFunk
Sep 28, 09 10:41 AM CDT

F.Y.I. Ariel Sharon suffering a stroke on 4 January 2006, when he fell into a coma,On 26 February 2009 he turned 81, still comatose but in a stable condition

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riffran
Sep 28, 09 8:28 AM CDT

Sharon is alive and taking a dump on yassir arafatasses grave that dead bastard is the real father of modern terrorism Reply

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jagerhans
Sep 28, 09 10:09 AM CDT

i don't love the jew that much. i don't love the arab that much. i only know that before that disgraceful country of Israel no one was harassed by Muslim terrorists , Muslims were pretty quiet, and now all the world has to cope with that threat thanks to Israel. Another annoying thing about the israeli is that every time that someone blames them and their POLITICS they come up with this thing of antisemitism , as if blaming israel were the same thing of bashing the entire Jewish nation, and this habit of accusing of nazism every criticizer is , to speak it clear, dishonesty and manipulating the truth. The Jew are for the most good people like all the others, while Israel is a permanent pain in the ass for the whole world, but i guess at this point we have to bear it. Reply

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Enoughie
Sep 28, 09 10:39 AM CDT

Oh, yeah, sure... Before 1948 Muslims never fought anyone. And Constantinople was always a Muslim land. So was Spain and India. It's really the Jews that started all those conflicts... in Kashmir, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Algeria, Pakistan, Indonesia, Libya, Turkey, Yemen, Lebanon, etc. etc. by establishing that disgraceful state of theirs. I generally don't call people antisemites, because of the emotional connotation, but your logic is at best perverted and ignorant. But definitely not antisemitic. Surely it's "Israel's politics" that [apparently retroactively] caused all these conflicts that only SEEM TO BE a result of 1200 years of Islamic imperialism and supremacism...

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wwwonderer
Sep 28, 09 2:28 PM CDT

I understand both sentiments, but you have to look at modern developments. Last year's Gaaza war. Number of Israeli deaths < 100. Number of Palestinian deaths > 1000. This is absurd. It is like the police killing EVERYONE on your block because some kid threw a rock or said OUT LOUD 'screw the police'. And Israel will always claim that Hamas is using 'human shields'. To put it in perspective, one could claim that the plane bombings on 9/11 was an attack on American Military -FBI, CIA and other government organizations had offices and 'fronts' in the WTC- and they just happened to being using the civilians in the WTC as human shields. It doesn't work both ways.

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Enoughie
Sep 28, 09 6:28 PM CDT

@ wwwonderer: the Gaza war, if anything, was an unmatched exercise of self restraint by Israel. Think about it this way: Over the past 8 years Hamas was constantly and indiscriminately shooting rockets at Israeli civilians from Gaza. Israel completely withdrew from Gaza in 2005. The vast majority of rockets fired from Gaza were fired after Israel withdrew, keeping a civilian population of hundreds of thousands of Israeli civilians in fear. So by any standard this is a declaration of war. Now, there are about 1.2 million people in Gaza - an area of a few square miles. About 30000 Gazans are Hamas soldiers/militants/terrorists or however you want to call them. Now, Hamas built bunkers and missile depots under civilian houses, in mosques, hospitals, and schools. So what did Israel do? They made thousands of calls to Gazan civilians to vacate the areas that are about to be targeted, they dropped countless leaflets urging civilians to leave those areas, and then they made a series of surgical strikes on known depots of missiles, terrorist hideouts, bomb-making labs, and weapons smuggling tunnels. Then they sent infantry to clear some of these area. In all, over a thousand Palestinians were killed (more than 60% of which were Hamas terrorists). Now this is in one of the most densely populated areas of the world. Just in comparison, in the first night of the Afghan war 3000 civilians were killed. So if you want to put things in perspective, you have to actually take into account the reality on the ground, and not some imaginary scenario. This is not like the police shooting everyone on your block, this is like the police exercising extreme caution in targeting a bunch of gang members that terrorize a city, and end up accidently harming a few civilians in the process.

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jagerhans
Sep 29, 09 7:04 AM CDT

@Enoughie first off you go call ignorant some relative of yours, then you dont come here and bring us the conquest of Spain as a sample of the Muslim aggressiveness or i could extract out of my hat the crusades which weren't no party either and not started by the evil arabs, and to end i couldn't care less if they make wars at their own pad , what matters is that they don't threaten my world. more , it is the very existence of israel that provided the ideological fuel for what came next. so either i accept everything that israel decides to do like the last war on lebanon or i am ignorant eh? no, the position of israel is inacceptable and i don't accept it. want to talk about the unlawful occupation of palestinian ground ? the systematic suppression of both physical people and the records of birth, in order to transform people into ghosts ? i can't swallow israel, sorry, no matter how hard you argument. they could remain here in europe and do much better here than on that crappy state of sand and blood. after the shoah no one would dare to raise his hand against the israelite people here in europe.

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Enoughie
Sep 29, 09 1:14 PM CDT

@ jagerhans: no one cares if you like the Israelis having a state in their homeland or not. The existence of that state is a fact. Comparing the crusades (a period of 100+ years of continual inflow of fanatic Christian peasants into a small sliver of land that almost no one cared about) to 1300 years of ever expanding Islamic imperialism, and supremacism over countless nations is like comparing the Virginia Tech massacre to WWII. Fact is that Islamic imperialists would use ANY EXCUSE they find to expand their territory, influence and oppression. Israel is a pain in the ass for the world just like Czechoslovakia used to be a pain in the ass for the western world, before it was conveniently given away for world peace... or rather so not to "threaten the world" of people like you. Those damn Czech occupiers of the Sudetenland... The occupation of the WB and Gaza is a direct product of Arab aggression, and the lack of desire of the Arab states to reach a peaceful settlement with Israel. It's not unlawful, BTW. It says it right there in UNSC resolution 242 - Israel should return territories for peace. No peace? No territories. Israel's return of the Sinai is a case in point. The position of Israel - defending itself from terrorist aggression from Lebanon - is not acceptable to you? Tough. Any nations has a right to defend itself. Israel is no different.

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jagerhans
Oct 1, 09 4:58 AM CDT

Enoughie no one really cares the point of view of anybody else, that's not the point and i stated in the beginning that , bad or good, it is unrealistic to think that israel is going to vanish and we've got to cope with this. this said, your reply just sounds angry and arrogant. history will show us who is the fittest for survival there. but it is a fact that the israeli politics is , in fact, just fucking nazi. in the meantime you try and get familiar with the concept that I.DON'T. LIKE. ISRAEL. and together with me a lot of others. goodbye once and for all.

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jagerhans
Oct 1, 09 5:04 AM CDT

p.s. go talk this bullshit to my neighbor who lost his wife, his sons and daughters and his whole family in Chatila camp.

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Enoughie
Oct 6, 09 3:59 PM CDT

@ jagerhans: if you don't like Israel for what the Lebanese Phalangists did in Sabra and Shatila then you must REALLY HATE the US, UK, Canada, Australia and all other allied countries for what they did to the Germans and Japanese. Also, you have a serious problem of distinguishing fact and fiction. Because if Israeli policies are "nazi" than I doubt there are many countries in the world that are safe... The question is then, do you not like Israel because it's Israel, or can you point out one objective reason (i.e. one action, policy, or behavior) that applies to Israel but does not apply to any of the countries I mentioned above. Also, it's interesting that you mentioned the Phalangists' massacre of Sabra & Shatila, because after that incident some 400,000 Israelis filled the streets to protest. I encourage you to find one incident, after a terror attack in Israel, London, Madrid, or even after 9/11, where 40,000... maybe 4,000... you know what... 400 people in the Arab world filled the streets in protest. Till then, I suggest you find a better hobby than signaling out Israel for all the problems in the world... because it says more about you than about Israel.

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Reader76693465
Sep 28, 09 2:07 PM CDT

Why is it when jews steal land and bulldoze or shoot people to death they call themselves "freedom fighters" and when palestanians fight back they are called terrorists? Reply

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Stuart
Sep 29, 09 4:23 AM CDT

You want to know why Palestinians are called terrorists when they hijack planes, blow up shopping malls full of innocent men women and children, take hostage and then kill children from elementary schools and shoot rockets at civillian cities? Hmmm - thats a toughie all right

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