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White House: Fox Is 'Not Really News'

Administration still sparring with conservative network

By Polly Davis Doig| Posted Oct 18, 09 11:29 AM CDT|

(Newser) – The White House continued its scuffle with Fox News today, with Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace complaining on-air that the administration dissed its request for an interview, while top aides took to competing networks to denounce it. It's "not really news," David Axelrod told This Week. The network "has a perspective," Rahm Emanuel told CNN's State of the Union, and is not a "legitimate news organization."

Emanuel squarely took aim at Wall Street's finest, slamming execs for taking government bailouts then opposing reforms meant to prevent another meltdown. "The American people have a right to be frustrated and angry," he said.
President Obama wants to see a public option, but "he is not demanding that it is in there," Valerie Jarrett said on Meet the Press.
Sen. John Cornyn said on Face the Nation that in belaboring his decision on Afghanistan, Obama is "emboldening our enemies." Added the Texas Republican: "At some point deliberation begins to look more like indecisiveness."

Senior White House advisers David Axelrod and Valerie Jarrett at the National Archives in Washington, Thursday, May 21, 2009. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

In this photo provided by FOX News, Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, appears on "Fox News Sunday" in Washington, Sunday, July 12, 2009. (AP Photo/FOX News Sunday, Freddie Lee)

White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel listens as President Barack Obama speaks to reporters while meeting with his Cabinet at the White House in Washington, Thursday, Sept. 10, 2009. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel smiles as he listens to President Barack Obama talk at a news conference in the East Room of the White House, Wednesday, July 22, 2009. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

White House senior advisers Valerie Jarrett and David Axelrod walk across Pennsylvania Ave. to the Blair House in Washington, Friday, July 31, 2009. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

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JSH
Oct 18, 09 11:46 AM CDT

Yeah, and Obama's not really a president! Reply

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thephat
Oct 18, 09 11:53 AM CDT

No, It's really true. We have a black president.

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Jayster999
Oct 18, 09 12:33 PM CDT

Amen.

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reasonator
Oct 18, 09 3:04 PM CDT

Don't you know JSH, if you say anything about Obama that is not fawning in nature then you are a racist? Well, if you didn't, then thephat pointed it out for you. So, enjoy being a racist, until you decide to agree with Obama. (honestly, though, this race card tactic is the lowest form of debate. Will you just allow people to disagree with the direction of the administration without making allegations of racism?)

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reasonator
Oct 18, 09 3:09 PM CDT

Oh, and you like how thephat assumed you aren't black? But even if you were, you'd still be a racist for disagreeing with Obama (and you'd be a sexist if Hillary had won). Liberal logic.

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Thinker
Oct 18, 09 4:37 PM CDT

Reasonator, kick yourself ... you keep skipping on the same phrase.

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reasonator
Oct 18, 09 5:15 PM CDT

I'm trying to kick those who unnecessarily use race card. Do you have a substantive response Thinker?

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Thinker
Oct 18, 09 5:27 PM CDT

Good one reasonator! You really got me with that one! I guess that makes me racist?

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Gallavant
Oct 18, 09 5:35 PM CDT

Substantive response: 'Obama's not really a president' = his presidency is illegitimate = the whole birther thing = he must be a foreigner because he grew up in Indonesia and has relatives in Kenya and his name is Obama and he's black and we're scared = racist. So yes, JSH made a comment that ties into a racist dialog surrounding President Obama, even if he didn't mean to.

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reasonator
Oct 18, 09 5:35 PM CDT

Thinker, you don't make any sense, sir. What do you mean "good one?" I wasn't trying to zing you, I was asking if you have a substantive response. You still haven't given one. And no, I don't make accusations of racism unless there is real racism present, which is my point.

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reasonator
Oct 18, 09 5:38 PM CDT

@gallavant: I don't know what JSH's intention was with his first statement. I assume he is just mocking the "not really a news organization." I don't see any reason to jump to all the conclusions that you do (and you had to jump to a lot in your 'substantive response'). So no, there is still no reason in the slightest to ascribe the charge of racism to JSH's comment here. It was sarcasm, I thought it would be obvious to everyone else as it was to me.

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Thinker
Oct 18, 09 5:56 PM CDT

ok reasonator, I'll bite. But first, please notice that my symbol is that of "female." That is an individual with no penis and, therefore, not a "sir." Perhaps you're sexist? Never mind, it's okay, that's a lesson for another time. As for your request ... you are quite wrong in your assumption that, to liberals, disagreeing with Obama is considered racist (your term was "liberal logic"). You see, hon, I am a liberal. I do not agree with Obama regarding his actions on the wars, giving money to the banks, his selections for finance and economic government positions, and I'm sure there will be many more Obama decisions in the future that I disagree with. However, I voted for him. And I do not consider myself a racist for disagreeing with him. So, Sir, your comments are not only wrong, they are silly and repetitive. Is that good enough substantive response for you, sir?

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reasonator
Oct 18, 09 6:13 PM CDT

It's a start. You should know that I appreciate a good discussion with someone who offers a position and attempts to back up the position with reason and evidence. I don't appreciate ad hominems or any kind of personal attack which lacks reason or rationality. That's just the way I am. So, that is the reason why I asked for a substantive response. Your first one, to kick myself, lacked any kind of argumentation or reasoned response, which is why I pushed you for one and why I'm glad you "took the bait" (though that also is a bit of a a personal attack because you are insinuating that I was trying to goad you into a trap, which I wasn't. But nevermind). Your second response was pure sarcasm, and It didn't really relate at all to me. I apologize for saying "sir," though it is no defense, I thought as I was typing it that you might be a woman, but my saying "sir" was an attempt to add politeness to the discussion, not an attempt to be a smart ass. Your overall point is well taken, but let me add clarity to my position. It is not that the charge of racism is given to anyone who does not agree with Obama on every single point, but rather that the charge of racism is made against people who are not really racist. And it angers me, because I believe racism does exist, and we do need to fight it, but when someone haphazardly makes a charge of racism when there is no clear racism present, it cheapens the fight against real racism. The point at hand: I don't know if JSH is a real racist or not, but his sarcastic remark is in now way racist, or has anything to do with the color of Obama's skin. So I was upset with thephat's insinuation that it was a racist remark.

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ducme
Oct 18, 09 6:38 PM CDT

http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/the_end_of_america/

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ronimaca
Oct 18, 09 7:37 PM CDT

shut up ass hole

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Spudsy
Oct 18, 09 8:17 PM CDT

And if you said anything against torture, invading innocent countries or stopping civil rights for the last eight years then you were not an American .

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Robert_Dada
Oct 18, 09 11:47 AM CDT

Unfair and Mentally Imbalanced. This is Faux News. Reply

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DJM420
Oct 18, 09 12:19 PM CDT

the less they have in their brain, the easier it is to get a FOX NOOSE around their neck...

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SilenceDogood
Oct 18, 09 12:54 PM CDT

And CNN and ABC are the models for fair and balanced reporting? Please, you have purple Kool-Aid on your chin. If what you state is true, Dada, why are Foxes ratings up, although admittedly the two issues are not connected.

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RockyPneumonia
Oct 18, 09 1:13 PM CDT

Yes, Silence, because sane people do not define "fair" as "only prints the right-wing point-of-view".

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Robert_Dada
Oct 18, 09 1:45 PM CDT

What's your point Silence? I don't get my news from CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC or MSNBC either.

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Reader64481089
Oct 18, 09 3:30 PM CDT

The FCC needs to reinstate the Equal Time Rule on ALL Networks and put an end to the atmosphere that bred the Faux News fiasco

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Blackbird
Oct 18, 09 4:04 PM CDT

Yeah, no matter how many times they say "Fair & Balanced" it doesn't make it true.

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Vyridian
Oct 18, 09 8:04 PM CDT

SilenceDoGood - FOX's (why you pluralized that word, I will never know) ratings are high because they are the only channel for the conservative crowd to watch. Moderate and Left-leaning views are spread out over far more outlets. FOX is first-place in a one-man race. Go ahead and pat them on the back for that if you like - the rest of us are busy aiming higher.

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thephat
Oct 18, 09 11:52 AM CDT

News is not really news. That is not news. Reply

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Jayster999
Oct 18, 09 12:38 PM CDT

News is filtered and processed. It is propaganda and fluff designed to keep us sidetracked from the fact that we are in real danger of losing our constitutional republic. This is the key thing that is totally lost in partisan bickering.

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northeast
Oct 18, 09 12:56 PM CDT

Oh, come on. MSNBC and CNN are bastions of journalistic integrity! It was absolutely vital that we got to see a little boy in a balloon dominate the news cycle for an entire day!

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Rocket448
Oct 18, 09 1:06 PM CDT

Jay, news by definition is filtered and processed: the technical term for that is editing. A newsman reports facts and a journalist writes stories. One of the tools both have in their bag is the simple interrogative: "is that true?" which is or should be asked every time a subject makes a statement. So, by your definition news IS filtered and processed. Propaganda and fluff is not news. Propaganda has a very negative connotation but it is simply information spread in support of a cause. We all know what fluff is, I hope - its the stuffing that gives pillows their shape. The key thing forgotten is that Fox commenters do not sit at the "news" table. Fox news is badly edited but still news, I suppose. The danger to our constitutional republic comes from people who intentionally undermine the constitution in a regular systematic way. Journalists have reported that Mr. Cheney, Mr. Bush, Mr. Gonzales, and several of their aides including Mr. Rove, can be shown to have systematically undermined the constitution's protections. Mr. Rove was adept at generating propaganda but more importantly, he also spread lies and innuendo -- which are real dangers to our republic in my opinion.

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Toon
Oct 18, 09 6:53 PM CDT

Rocket that was well said and more in depth than needed. There is a simpler point to be made. When Fox is called on their partisanship or out right error, rather than apologizing or retracting bad info they will instead say that they are entertainment not news. When the chips are down they deny the need to act like journalist so why should they be treated like a news source? They aren't being censored, they are just being treated like the National Inquirer, as a company who doesn't take truth seriously and not given the same access as people who do.

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DeniseVB
Oct 18, 09 12:08 PM CDT

So? Should I stop watching FNC for the lapdog networks? Don't think so. Reply

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DJM420
Oct 18, 09 12:18 PM CDT

NO, STOP WATCHING THEM ALL

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QueenAlli
Oct 18, 09 1:05 PM CDT

The WH doesn't like cable news PERIOD! Fox News is the most blatant in their in dishonesty and incompetence. The other news stations should take this as a warning shot that the WH will not take bullshit.

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Snowleopard
Oct 18, 09 1:37 PM CDT

Fox new's is a lapdog network for the republican party. You want real news (broad perspectives, without sensationalism), then watch the PBS newshour.

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Dictator
Oct 18, 09 3:12 PM CDT

yeah i have to call bullshit on referring to PBS

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Monjubikahn
Oct 18, 09 12:13 PM CDT

No we have a mixed race president. The Taliban is not going anywhere. NATO is there with us. Michelle Jean, the Female Black Govenor General and Commander and Chief of the Canadian Armed forces visited her troops in Afganistan twice. She wears a combat uniform and conducts war for The Queen. Reply

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cedarkey
Oct 18, 09 12:25 PM CDT

Fox news ratings way up! msnbc ratings way down. Msnbc can revive itself by removing the idiot-chris matthews and the molesting pervert Keith Obermann. Reply

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Bambi
Oct 18, 09 12:52 PM CDT

cedarkey, tell me you're not really confused enough to think that the debate about which networks are more truthful is determined by a ratings competition. Popularity is the only thing that can be determined by a popular vote. Everything else must be evaluated on its own terms.

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Snowleopard
Oct 18, 09 1:38 PM CDT

Bambi: totally agree. and MSNBC is actually doing pretty well.

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DarkFrancis
Oct 18, 09 4:05 PM CDT

cedarkey...ad populum fallacy. Look it up.

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Thinker
Oct 18, 09 4:45 PM CDT

Oh cedarkey, you crazy nut, there you go again. I promise, even if Jesus DID pop out of your television screen and tell you that God loves Fox News, it doesn't make Fox News accurate or even informative. It's just entertaining jibberjabber, much like your little comments.

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LionKing
Oct 18, 09 5:02 PM CDT

Ratings mean nothing except in advertising dollars.. If they do then the ratings on Newser sites have the Progressives outnumbering the conservatives by a usual 7:1 ratio.....do the count yourself. So if you want to use 1% of the population as a ratings guide then I will say that progressives outnumber conservatives 7:1 in the country. I hardly doubt even 1% of the population posts on Newser but since you phox phans go out of your way to tout numbers that mean nothing then I'll do the same. And if phox numbers means anything, then why is Congress and the White House in the hands of Democrats by a wide margin? I will proffer this idea for you to consider...phox viewers only watch phox and nothing else.... while everyone else watches any combination so naturally no other CABLE station would see as large a share because MSNBC, CNN and PBS caters to a very large segment of the population whereas phox caters to one group....the idgets!

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drlarrymitchell
Oct 19, 09 7:55 AM CDT

Ignoratio elenchi, bitch.

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GlennH
Oct 18, 09 12:31 PM CDT

Faux News has permanently rendered the phrase "fair and balanced" meaningless. They couldn't be less fair and balanced if they tried hard--which, actually, I think they do. Reply

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Dictator
Oct 18, 09 3:13 PM CDT

@glennH... i suppose the same way Obama getting the nobel has rendered the prize useless.

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SilenceDogood
Oct 18, 09 12:49 PM CDT

It’s noteworthy that the White house feels threatened by Fox. Reply

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Bambi
Oct 18, 09 1:01 PM CDT

Yes, SilenceDogood, FNC is an organization that broadcasts anti-American propaganda under false pretenses as news reportage which is, in the process, rallying the racists, fascists, the soft-brained and the unapologetically greedy to crusade against the sitting government. It is not mere 'political dissent', because it is under false pretenses. I find that noteworthy. Is that the same thing YOU find notworthy?

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Snowleopard
Oct 18, 09 1:39 PM CDT

SD: they're just calling it out for what it is

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RockyPneumonia
Oct 18, 09 2:13 PM CDT

Or it would be noteworthy, if any sane, intelligent person believed it was true.

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Dictator
Oct 18, 09 3:24 PM CDT

great post silence... i am wondering though what will be the next step? I mean, if fox gets too many viewers then, will the WH take them off the air?

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cedarkey
Oct 18, 09 1:00 PM CDT

No confusion here. The Al Sharptons, obermanns, bill Mahers and jesse jacksons are the confused, deceived, uninformed, backward,non-thinking,kool-aid drinking kooks. Reply

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Thinker
Oct 18, 09 4:47 PM CDT

cedarkey, trust me. You have a lot of confusion there.

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QueenAlli
Oct 18, 09 1:09 PM CDT

When hosts on Fox are confronted about their lies, they always say the same thing: "We're not journalists." Reply

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Cat-Lover
Oct 18, 09 1:19 PM CDT

They're not human, either

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blindguy
Oct 18, 09 1:16 PM CDT

government needs to stay out of ALL activities that are not directly related to the pursuit of abiding by the constitution. Once the government starts telling us what is and is not news, we are doomed! our rights are a joke to this administration! Reply

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Cat-Lover
Oct 18, 09 1:21 PM CDT

If you read the Constitution, you'd know there are several sections where it basically says ANYTHING GOES.

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dontlikenobody
Oct 18, 09 1:25 PM CDT

Bg - they're not telling us anything, in the blind obedience, thou-shalt-not way you seem to be suggesting. They're expressing their point of view, and they're criticizing - validly, as far as I can tell. How does that affect our rights? You seem to be able to spout your nonsense without interference. But maybe you don't have a wife in the CIA who could be outed to punish you.

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RockyPneumonia
Oct 18, 09 3:55 PM CDT

"The pursuit of abiding by the constitution". That makes no sense.

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easterner
Oct 18, 09 2:15 PM CDT

Joined Newser on: Jun 29, 09 2:23 PM CDT Around this time I decided I will no longer watch fox news or read their website. So um....... What have I Missed ??? Anything ?? Reply

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Thinker
Oct 18, 09 4:50 PM CDT

Inane chatter, groveling nonsense, lies, lies, silly fratboy banter, more lies, Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann, lies, rumors, lies, racist innuendo, Ann Coulter, lies and Rush Limbaugh. I guess the answer would be a resounding "No."

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cementhead
Oct 18, 09 2:37 PM CDT

What a laugh..... Now it's America's turn to get trounced with those naive, goofy, wrong-minded socialist ideas. Just look in the province of Ontario in Canada where this garbage is about to sink the finances of this place for decades to come. But like all socialists, don't let the fact that socialism has failed in every single solitary place in history, where they've tried it. Not ONE SINGLE example of success. But hey, why let facts get in the way of a good old-fashioned rip-off !!! LMAO Reply

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RockyPneumonia
Oct 18, 09 2:43 PM CDT

Maybe if you repeat "socialist" often enough, people won't notice that none of the American politicians to whom you're referring are...well...socialist.

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Cat-Lover
Oct 18, 09 3:15 PM CDT

Cementhead: Socialism has never failed. In fact, it suceeds where capitalism falters. It is socialism that has come to the rescue.

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Dictator
Oct 18, 09 3:25 PM CDT

Catlover: provide a couple of examples.

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Thinker
Oct 18, 09 4:59 PM CDT

Dictator, how about where our new practice of giving taxpayer money to the bankers and Wall Street a*holes. They were suffering from bad choices and heavy losses, and socialism came to the rescue to make them crazy rich and successful again. Thanks to our money, given when we could least afford it, the richest among us were able to buy up everything when no one else could and get even more wealthy than ever before. Goldman Sachs, socialism's success story and the biggest Welfare Queen of all!

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LionKing
Oct 18, 09 5:04 PM CDT

cement head is right..what a perfect description for you and these other fine conservative no thinking souls!

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d3wd
Oct 19, 09 7:47 PM CDT

@Thinker Good point. It's interesting to note that the 'banker bailouts' were bipartisan. Let's stop pretending that "left vs right" is meaningful. Obama pushed for the bailouts. Bush pushed for the bailouts. Bush engaged in unjust wars, and Obama continues on with the same agenda. It's almost as if they're all owned by the same puppet masters.

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cementhead
Oct 18, 09 2:53 PM CDT

The other thing you can absolutely count on lefties to do every time they get control, is muzzle the press. Hmmm !!! Funny thing that. Reply

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RockyPneumonia
Oct 18, 09 3:42 PM CDT

OK, cementhead, now your assignment -- so you won't look like a complete idiot -- is to cite examples that a sane, intelligent reader would construe as indicating that liberals muzzle the press. Hint: this current flap about Fox's biased reporting is not such an example.

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Thinker
Oct 18, 09 5:02 PM CDT

C'mon Rocky, cementhead is only in the fourth grade. Your assignment is at least high school level. It's too hard!

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LionKing
Oct 18, 09 5:12 PM CDT

How is ANYONE on the left muzzling the press cement? Just because you liars on phox get called out and taken to the mat (and you know that is why) you say you're being "miuzzled"...crybaby talk if you ask me. Do you also sit around and cry like glenn beck when you dont get your way...COME ON CEMENT HEAD....HOW ARE YOU BEING MUZZLED????? You are posting here and no one is stopping you, Fat ass Anal Cyst Limbaugh will be on the radio tomorrow, no one muzzling him. Cry baby cubscout raper Glenn Beck will have is show tomorrow, no one is muzzling him. Bill ( kinky sick sex ) O'Reilly will be on television tomorrow nignt and free to say what ever he wants. You're just a liar Cement head....nothing more.

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Cat-Lover
Oct 18, 09 3:12 PM CDT

I'm a registered voter in Texas and with Cornyn, Hutchison and Perry in powerful positions, the only way the rest of America can really make some head-way into a positive, humane future is for Perry's wish for Texas to secede from the country so that it has no influence in people's lives. Reply

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cementhead
Oct 18, 09 3:24 PM CDT

@cat lover.... do you mean like Sweden and Finland and New Zealand and Germany and England and the Baltics and Poland and Czech Republic and Ukraine etc etc etc? Every single socialist state has only been able to provide benefits to the public until the wealth created by previous generations has been depleted. Then you enter the phase of insane, damaging taxation and the sell-off of the countries assets. Let the cash grab begin. Recently the Prime Minister of Sweden gave a national speech, in which he declared that the last 25 years of socialism had destroyed the wealth that took hundreds of years to build. Oops, so much for the fabled worker's paradise. They lost 30,000 companies over a 4 year period. The pattern and history of socialism is immaculate in these regards. Play around and you WILL get burned. Reply

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Thinker
Oct 18, 09 5:09 PM CDT

As opposed to Iceland's wonderfully successful venture into blind capitalism? Remember how well that went for them?

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Face-Of-RNC
Oct 23, 09 6:52 AM CDT

Or as opposed to America's venture into cowboy capitalism. Remember how well that worked out?

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cementhead
Oct 18, 09 3:42 PM CDT

Well Dictator... I guess asking for details and facts threw Cat-Lover off.... I always does with lefties. Reply

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riffran
Oct 19, 09 2:09 AM CDT

and we are still waiting for those example's...and waiting...and waiting...

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cedarkey
Oct 18, 09 3:42 PM CDT

I met Jimmy Carter in 1976. He had no clue back then. Reply

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Thinker
Oct 18, 09 5:10 PM CDT

Is it okay for me to laugh at this comment, or would that be considered making fun of a retarded person?

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LiberalJesus
Oct 18, 09 5:26 PM CDT

He said back in 1978 we needed to ween ourselves off of foreign oil and fossil fuels.....And you say he was wrong about that? What world do you live in there Johnny Pluto!

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cementhead
Oct 18, 09 3:51 PM CDT

Well Rocky.... point out the word "Liberal" in anything I posted. You should be careful how you throw the word "idiot" around. If you were asking about "socialism", the European examples could fill these pages. Now that you ask, in Canada we've just learned that taxpayer money is being used to sue people who publish things about politicians that they don't like. Muzzle the press you say? Your man in the race, isn't declaring himself a socialist for obvious reasons. However, any politician who keeps resounding free goodies all round, bail-outs and stimulus and propping up banks and car companies and free health care etc etc, without ONE SINGLE INITIATIVE to create new wealth, is a socialist, period !!!! Just keep spending pal and let the public in on the bad news once the well is dry, because it will be and soon. Reply

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RockyPneumonia
Oct 18, 09 3:56 PM CDT

In other words, cementhead, you can't. Noted.

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bewilderbeast
Oct 19, 09 10:19 AM CDT

concrete skull: "any politician who keeps resounding free goodies all round, bail-outs and stimulus and propping up banks and car companies" "is a socialist, period", you say. Ah, George Dubya Bush-lite, socialist.

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Silverbow7
Oct 18, 09 3:54 PM CDT

Maybe Sweden is just suffering from the Bush curse. How many companys have closed in the USA? Is that also because of socialism? Just because he said that does not mean it is true. In fact, it might be for some other reason. Like maybe an attempt to go back to the way it was. Good for a few and virtual slavery for the rest. Reply

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cementhead
Oct 18, 09 4:04 PM CDT

In Toronto the city government is controlled by NDP members, the most left leaning in the country. They are now prepared to pay $150,000.00 in legal fees to muzzle bad press. Read for yourself. http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/677576 Reply

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cementhead
Oct 18, 09 4:08 PM CDT

Please spare me the "Bush" curse. That man was NOT a conservative, he was a fool. Someone please show me how doubling the national debt and then doubling the civil service, is conservative anything. That's the complete reverse of what a real conservative would do. And attacking other countries is not conservative, it's stupid. Reply

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Carpediem4U
Oct 18, 09 5:13 PM CDT

You are just a liar cementhead. no on from the left or the white house has muzzled your side one iota.....is that all you use your cementhead for there...as a hat rack????

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LiberalJesus
Oct 18, 09 5:24 PM CDT

I call on Mr. Cementhead to show exclusive evidence to back up his stupidity with one speck of facts to bolster his "boo hoo the lefty media is muzzlin me and my homies". I concur with Carpe and Lion, you are not telling the truth Mr. Cementhead. But it is easy to see why you picked that nomenclature for your screen name. It didnt take any brains or 3 measly brain cells to trot out the ol' strawman "theyza muzzlin us agaaiin"...Nice try Cementhead....major fall but nice try. Failure! Reply

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cementhead
Oct 18, 09 5:39 PM CDT

Wow.... you American lefties are really a militant bunch. Like all the other "money for nothing" people around the planet, you resort to name calling like "anal cyst" and "crybaby" and other goofy insults and then accuse the others of behaving like grade school students. Just read these inane juvenile comments you're leaving. I never once wrote that the American press was muzzling anyone. I live in Canada and was only pointing out what happens when you allow socialists to prevail. They work very hard at crushing dissent, just like the link I provided. If you think you smart-asses can defy history and make this garbage work, then God Bless !!! However, you will fail like all the other naive fools who have experimented with these nonsensical policies. I asked the question earlier, "name ONE place that has made this crap work...not TEN or FIVE or even TWO.... just ONE. ! Go for it !!! Cue crickets. Reply

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Thinker
Oct 18, 09 6:04 PM CDT

We try to consider our audience when making comments. God Bless!

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Thinker
Oct 18, 09 6:08 PM CDT

Oh, sorry, I almost forgot ... I will happily answer your question after you define what you mean by "work[s]." Because, cupcake, if you think capitalism works in the U.S. right now, I think we have different interpretations of the word "works."

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RockyPneumonia
Oct 18, 09 7:22 PM CDT

"you American lefties are really a militant bunch." In other words, you're desperately hoping that if you attack us, we won't notice that you can't back up your claims.

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cementhead
Oct 18, 09 6:27 PM CDT

Believe me when I write, I only want the best for America. Some of my best memories involve American girlfriends I have had and Ft. Lauderdale days and a lot more. Your country was not built on hand-outs and entitlements. Hard work and personal initiative were the very things that made America great. All I suggest is to take a long hard look at what has happened to other places, before you jump on the leftist bandwagon. It all sounds good for sure. What reasonable person wouldn't want health care and housing and education for everyone? It's just not that simple. I am personally booked for an MRI in mid-December that was requested in July 2008. Universal health care or health care rationing? There's much to consider before believing socialists. You would be well-advised to ignore Michael Moore.. Good luck !! Reply

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Thinker
Oct 19, 09 7:12 AM CDT

[cementhead's purpose here] "I believe in America and want it to work because it is where I lost my virginity." Do'h!

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ducme
Oct 18, 09 6:59 PM CDT

it's propaganda news... who doesn't know that? Reply

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ronimaca
Oct 18, 09 7:47 PM CDT

why should any honest person go on fox. Why should anyone talk with the likes of Dick the toe sucker Morris(and please someone give him an iron lung) or Glenda, Billo the clown and lets not forget Chris, Mike Wallas' evil son. Not one of them are reporters. Reply

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cedarkey
Oct 18, 09 7:50 PM CDT

Annoy a progressive------- work hard, be happy, enjoy life! Reply

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RockyPneumonia
Oct 19, 09 11:09 AM CDT

I'd be willing to bet money that you work no harder than I do.

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hamsammichs
Oct 18, 09 9:19 PM CDT

What's that? You can almost hear the ratings climb. Silly White House, just because you don't agree doesn't mean it cease to exist. Reply

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thephat
Oct 18, 09 10:08 PM CDT

For the record, I am not a democrat. I do not think you are a racist if you disagree with Obama. In fact I disagree with him on many issues. If my smart ass response caused an innocent person to look racist then I apologize. I do see through the thin vale over the racism in many of the positions above. Reply

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drlarrymitchell
Oct 19, 09 2:47 AM CDT

White House: Fox Is 'Not Really News'- NO SHIT?! Reply

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Nancy_Knew
Oct 19, 09 3:59 AM CDT

If you enjoy history and irony, print and save this article with the Axelrod quote "FOX is not really news." Reply

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SilenceDogood
Oct 19, 09 6:39 AM CDT

Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear. Harry Truman Reply

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RockyPneumonia
Oct 19, 09 8:51 AM CDT

Silence, you've been asked several times to submit proof that the Obama administration is attempting to "silence" Fox News, yet you consistently fail to do so. Gee, it's almost as if you can't and you're hoping that if you repeat the allegation often enough, no one will notice that it's not based in, y'know, fact.

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glassa
Oct 19, 09 9:04 AM CDT

IOW, 'WAHHHHAAAHH, Fox doesn't suck up to us" Boo hoo children. Reply

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glassa
Oct 19, 09 9:11 AM CDT

" FNC is an organization that broadcasts anti-American propaganda under false pretenses as news reportage which is, in the process, rallying the racists, fascists, the soft-brained " First of all I haven't seen anything "anti-American" on that network, at least when I watch it. Second, it's quite telling that you feel anyone who opposes Obama is anti-American, racist, fascist and soft-brained. Way to up the ante there. Before, you people were just saying that anyone who opposed Obama was racist. Forgive me for asking, but did the Emancipation Proclamation get removed from law? Because I thought slavery was outlawed a long time ago. I didn't realize we were all beholden to one man named Obama. I'm sorry, but not everyone is caught up in this Cult of Personality that is Obama. Some of us have our heads out of his butt. I will say that I'm very supportive of his new marijuana law and for that I applaud him. But it doesn't mean that I or anyone else, including Fox News, is forced to suck up to him & kiss his ass. Reply

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glassa
Oct 19, 09 9:14 AM CDT

"Fox News isn't really news, because they don't follow our orders" is basically what he's saying. So, now at least we know the other networks are propaganda for the WH. They just admitted it. Reply

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RockyPneumonia
Oct 19, 09 9:59 AM CDT

No, he's not. He's saying that Fox isn't news because rather than attempting to present events in as unbiased a manner as possible, the way every other news outlet does, even if some people are stupid enough to confuse "bias" with "presents BOTH points of view", Fox slants its coverage in order to advance their ideology.

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glassa
Oct 19, 09 12:57 PM CDT

As if the other networks dont' slant their coverage? You must be joking!

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SilenceDogood
Oct 22, 09 6:10 AM CDT

Rocky, you poor fool. The Obama administration is the ones controlling the news media; read the following admission………. Posted: October 18, 2009 7:11 pm Eastern By Aaron Klein © 2009 WorldNetDaily Anita Dunn TEL AVIV – President Obama's presidential campaign focused on "making" the news media cover certain issues while rarely communicating anything to the press unless it was "controlled," White House Communications Director Anita Dunn disclosed to the Dominican government at a videotaped conference . "Very rarely did we communicate through the press anything that we didn't absolutely control," said Dunn. "One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters," said Dunn, referring to Plouffe, who was Obama's chief campaign manager. "We just put that out there and made them write what Plouffe had said as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter. So it was very much we controlled it as opposed to the press controlled it," Dunn said.

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eldridge4
Oct 19, 09 11:37 AM CDT

You can get better news sourcing from The National Inquirer versus Fox News. Reply

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jstnanderson
Oct 19, 09 5:34 PM CDT

Really? Will someone start citing examples of where Fox has misreported stuff? Or is less credible than the Inquirer? I am interested to see that evidence.

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